Deeko's powerlifting thread

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Deeko

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Squatted in a suit for the first time today. Hit 305x2, 315x1, 345x2 385x2, 405x1, 425x1. 425 was actually fairly easy, I think I could have done 450, but my coach didn't want my overworking the connective tissue. Pretty solid first time using gear. Supposedly, the suit I was using was a little too big, too.
 

brikis98

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Wait, didn't you max out at something like 305 w/o the suit? Are you saying that on your first try, the squat suit added 115lbs to your squat?
 

Deeko

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My gym max was 315 before the meet - I haven't maxed out since then, but with almost 2 months more training its probably gone up some. But yes - the suit added 100+ pounds. I'm sure the knee wraps played a big part in that too. Its all very tight so it springs you out of the hole - and since I have a very strong lockout in all of my lifts, supposedly that makes me an ideal candidate for in gear lifting. According to my coach & the others in the gym (who all lift in gear) my 100-115 pound jump is VERY uncommon for a first time gear lifter.

The one guy took a video of my lifts, I'll post it up once he puts it on youtube.
 

brikis98

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Heh, that's pretty crazy. However, looking through the record books, I guess I shouldn't be surprised, as the records for geared squat & bench are each several hundred pounds more than the raw versions. Out of curiosity, how does it feel to have that much extra weight on your back?

Also, I have to say that personally, I feel that gear really seems to "cheapen" the accomplishment. That is, it's not you that's lifting those 100+ extra pounds, but the suit, so what the heck is the point? And how far can you take it? Imagine if they invented a material that was flexible up until a very specific length - say, exactly the bottom of your squat - at which point it springs back up with 1000lbs of force. Would it really make sense to say that you now had a 1315lb squat? BTW, this isn't a shot at you at all, but at the sport of powerlifting with gear in general.
 

Deeko

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I agree with you about the purity of the lift - and I'm still doing my next meet raw, just threw the gear on for fun yesterday. The argument that I get from the guys in my gym in support of gear is that it makes powerlifting more of a "sport" and less of an "athletic contest". Not everyone gets the same amount out of the gear, you have to be able to use it, so now there's at least some element of skill in it, not just pure strength.

I only really noticed the extra weight on my back during the walkout - which was a little awkward at first. Hitting the hole with the gear, I barely felt the weight at all, all I felt was the incredible tightness digging into my knees, thighs, etc. I actually couldn't get down to parallel when I only had 345 on the bar - its that tight, I needed 400+ pounds just to be able to hit the hole!
 

brikis98

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Originally posted by: Deeko
I agree with you about the purity of the lift - and I'm still doing my next meet raw, just threw the gear on for fun yesterday.
Since using gear lets you train with heavier weights, would that benefit your raw lifting, or would it actually make it worse by making you reliant on the equipment?

Originally posted by: Deeko
The argument that I get from the guys in my gym in support of gear is that it makes powerlifting more of a "sport" and less of an "athletic contest". Not everyone gets the same amount out of the gear, you have to be able to use it, so now there's at least some element of skill in it, not just pure strength.
I guess that makes sense. However, you've got to wonder how much of the competition will also rely on how high tech the suit is. I'm reminded of the special swim suits they are using in the olympics that let them shatter so many records. Taken to the extreme, the true competitors in the sport could become the nerds designing the equipment instead of the athletes using it

Originally posted by: Deeko
I actually couldn't get down to parallel when I only had 345 on the bar - its that tight, I needed 400+ pounds just to be able to hit the hole!
Heh, that's awesome.
 

Deeko

Lifer
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I'm told that doing some in gear training for a raw meet (not too much) does help you. You tendons are used to heavier weights, and you are more mentally prepared for it - walking out with 330 won't feel like "oh shit that's heavy" when I've walked out 450 in the gym, ya know?

Oh yes, the gear is constantly getting better. My coach (and some of the other guys) have been doing this for 20 or 30 years, they talk about how it was all raw when they started, about the evolution of the gear, etc. Curiously enough, my coach's best deadlifts were always raw. For whatever reason, he pulled better raw than in gear. He did 680@220 and 720@232.
 

Deeko

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Hit a 340 squat in the gym today. Pretty sure I could have gotten 350. That's what I'm shooting for as my 3rd attempt in the meet (one month from today!)
 

BigPoppa

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Awesome gym. That last lift was pretty much spot on for depth and moved pretty quick. You're lucky to have a crew to lift with, I'm pretty much on my own in the world of PL. Though the gym owner used to PL and throws tips out whenever he can.

As for the geared vs raw arguments, I just treat them as completely seperate lifts. And they realistically are, especially benching. The only fed that regularly has comps in my area (Montana) is PRIDE and luckily they have raw/equipped/unlimited divisions. I won't go geared until I hit 400/300/500 SBD numbers.
 

Deeko

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Thanks. Had another feat today I was pretty happy with - one armed rows, 145x5. For those counting at home, that's bodyweight for 5 reps in one arms.
 

Deeko

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Originally posted by: Howard
Are you still singing?

Sadly, my music career ended when the class I did it for ended (in 11th grade, lol). Don't worry, I still make the ladies swoon when I get drunk and do karaoke in bars....

(god I've been on these forums way too long. I think I was 15 or 16 back then)
 

Deeko

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The meet is one week from tomorrow. My first attempts will be 303 squat, 225 bench, 375 deadlift. My numbers I'm trying to hit are 353 squat, 259 bench, 407 deadlift, giving me about a 1020 total.

My squat has made a lot of progress since the last meet, but the other two only minimal, which is disappointing. The deadlift in particular is frustrating - I can do 385x3 without breaking a sweat, but I still haven't gone beyond 395 for a single rep. I'm hoping after resting up this coming week I can have a stronger performance there and hit a PR. Although my bench still hasn't improved too much, the 259 would give me another state record, which would be nice.
 

brikis98

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Looking at his twitter link, it looks like he hit 330 on the squat, 242 on the bench, and 391 on the deadlift for a 965lb total (at bw 144) and second place. Hell of a performance man and congrats
 

Deeko

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Sorry about the delay, I immediately hopped on a plane back to Philly after the meet and I haven't had internet until just now.

Anyway, the totals brikis posted are correct.

Overall I was a little disappointed here. Squat was a big improvement over the last meet. My belt was too loose initially (lost a lot of weight), which means the 1st two attempts drained me a lot more than they should have. I missed the 3rd, normally could have gotten it, but the 2nd attempt took a lot out of me.

Bench I did something to my back when getting into my arch for the 2nd attempt. So I only got a 242 there. I was pretty close to pushing up the 248 (the video is a lot closer than I thought it was), but the issue with my back definitely held me back.

Deadlift I was angry. I don't know if what I did in the bench affected my deadlift or not, but I'm not going to blame it on that, because the first two attempts were pretty easy. I did a 374, then a 391, both came off the floor very easy. Went for a 402 3rd attempt, should have been able to get it....didn't. I was really pissed about that.

And the guy that beat me in the last meet is 24 now, so he was competing in open, and he beat me again - so 2nd place now. Although I did close the gap - he beat me by more in the first meet.

I still haven't decided if I'm going to stay at 148 to try to get that 1000 again, or say fuck it and go up to 165. I think I'd be a more natural powerlifter at 165, it takes too much diet control to stay at 148 - plus most of the 148ers I see are shorter than I am. We'll see.

Videos of the lifts:
Squat 1st attempt - 303
Squat 2nd attempt - 330
Squat 3rd attempt - 343 (miss)
Bench 1st attempt - 225
Bench 2nd attempt - 242
Bench 3rd attempt - 248 (miss)
Deadlfit 1st attempt - 374
Deadlift 2nd attempt - 391
Deadlift 3rd attempt - 402 (miss)
 

brikis98

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965lb total @ 144bw is pretty freaking beastly. What did the 1st place guy get?

BTW, I know I said it last time, but I'm still irked by the required pause at the bottom of the bench press. Just looks like an injury waiting to happen.
 

Deeko

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I wasn't fully paying attention to him, because he was going right after me. I believe he did a 353 squat, 264 bench (missed his 3rd attempt of 270), and something like a 415 deadlift. Actually, I really have no clue about the deadlift, I was pretty pissed after I missed mine. I know he opened at 385.

Assuming that's what he got, he totaled just over 1030 - which really isn't far off from the target 1025 I wanted to do today. He's still solidly ahead of me, but certainly not out of my league.
 

Eric62

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A few opinions:
Grow into the 165's, then the 181's, then the 198's, ect. Lifting weights is about gaining muscle SIZE and strength. Look into Ed "King" Coan's career as an example.
Spectacular squat depth!!! If I had had as much trouble locking out the 2nd squat attempt, I'd have passed on the 3rd. They give you 3 attempts, you don't have to take them. It may (or may not) have factored in to your later back problems. You don't want to go into the deadlifts with an injured back.
Work on bar speed off of the floor in the deads. At the meet try dive bombing (my preference), or pumping your thighs up and down to generate a plyometric effect (like Andy Bolton).
Spectacular video quality and camera positioning. I envy that!
Great job. Thanks for sharing...
 
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Nice job, Deeko. Those are some nice numbers at 148. One thing I noticed in the squat is that you still seem to "break" at the hips, meaning, your back comes down so much during the squat, making it much more difficult to get the weight back all the way up. Is there any way that you can assume a more upright position in the squat? That way you have to do less back work and can drive with your glutes and hammies more.
 

Eric62

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One more thing. You like myself, are cursed with disproportionately long arms. Assuming you're already using a 32" (max allowed) grip during the Bench, you're only chance of decreasing the range of motion (you're arch seems near maximal already) is to increase the size of you upper torso. That means rip cage expansion. Deep breath pullovers "might" have a small benefit as your rip cage might still be pliable enough for expansion. But mostly you're going to have to increase the thickness of your pecs, traps, and lats - then learn to tuck the lats under your back - via rotating your scapula inward - i.e. under your body.
Side note: Obviously it's preferred to gain muscle size over fat mass, but don't under estimate the benefit of body fat in improving lifting leverages. I often times quick bulk 20 pounds during my pre contest peak, just to drop it post contest for health and aesthetic reasons.
My opinions are just that, and not intended to be critical in nature. You're already double body weight squatting and deadlifting - both worthy of praise and respect.
Power on...
 

Deeko

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Thanks for the advice.

A few opinions:
Grow into the 165's, then the 181's, then the 198's, ect. Lifting weights is about gaining muscle SIZE and strength. Look into Ed "King" Coan's career as an example.
Spectacular squat depth!!! If I had had as much trouble locking out the 2nd squat attempt, I'd have passed on the 3rd. They give you 3 attempts, you don't have to take them. It may (or may not) have factored in to your later back problems. You don't want to go into the deadlifts with an injured back.
Work on bar speed off of the floor in the deads. At the meet try dive bombing (my preference), or pumping your thighs up and down to generate a plyometric effect (like Andy Bolton).
Spectacular video quality and camera positioning. I envy that!
Great job. Thanks for sharing...
-I really should go up in size, I think it will benefit me a lot. I wanted to do a 1000 total at 148, and I wanted to do a triple bodyweight deadlift raw (which would be 435 @ 148), but those goals might get pushed aside in favor of the fact that I'm just a better powerlifter heavier.
-Good point about the 3rd attempt on the squat. I guess the rationale was that the 2nd attempt was with a loose belt, maybe with it tighter on the 3rd, I'd hit another. In retrospect, probably not the best idea.
-My speed off the floor is definitely my biggest problem with my deadlifts. I have a very strong upper back - if I get the bar to my knees, it snaps up the rest of the way (like it does in the 391..soo close to the spot on the 402). I need to work on popping up off the floor.
-The girlfriend took the videos. I'm amazed she sat through the whole meet. Almost as hard as what I did

Nice job, Deeko. Those are some nice numbers at 148. One thing I noticed in the squat is that you still seem to "break" at the hips, meaning, your back comes down so much during the squat, making it much more difficult to get the weight back all the way up. Is there any way that you can assume a more upright position in the squat? That way you have to do less back work and can drive with your glutes and hammies more.
Its largely a flexibility issue. Especially with a lot of weight on the bar, I struggle to remain upright in the hole, especially with a wider stance like I use. Something I need to work on....

One more thing. You like myself, are cursed with disproportionately long arms. Assuming you're already using a 32" (max allowed) grip during the Bench, you're only chance of decreasing the range of motion (you're arch seems near maximal already) is to increase the size of you upper torso. That means rip cage expansion. Deep breath pullovers "might" have a small benefit as your rip cage might still be pliable enough for expansion. But mostly you're going to have to increase the thickness of your pecs, traps, and lats - then learn to tuck the lats under your back - via rotating your scapula inward - i.e. under your body.
Side note: Obviously it's preferred to gain muscle size over fat mass, but don't under estimate the benefit of body fat in improving lifting leverages. I often times quick bulk 20 pounds during my pre contest peak, just to drop it post contest for health and aesthetic reasons.
My opinions are just that, and not intended to be critical in nature. You're already double body weight squatting and deadlifting - both worthy of praise and respect.
Power on...
Yea, its kinda sad actually, someone short like me you'd expect to have short arms and thus a great bench. Unfortunately, my arms are long for my small height, and my lack of flexibility prevents me from really getting in to a huge arch. So my bench stroke is pretty long. Your tips are good though - the shorter bench stroke is another reason I think I'd be a much better lifter (bencher especially) at the 165s or 181s. I'm working on my bench form, and tucking my lats in and all that, but I'm not quite there yet. Need more work on that. I'm not competing again until December so I have some time to bulk up and to improve on these issues. I may go to gear in December, I haven't decided yet. Since my sticking point is towards the bottom of all of my lifts, I think I'd get a lot out of it.
 
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