defective/overheating GTX 280s thread

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LittleNemoNES

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From what I am reading this will probably now affect me.
I crank up the IQ to the edge of playability (for me this is >35 fps).
BF2 I will use 32xs SSAA + 16xAF @ 1920x1200
 

CP5670

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I looked through that thread on the EVGA forums about this and it seems that a wide range of games are affected, including some fairly recent ones. That at least makes it more likely that Nvidia will fix it quickly, assuming it's not just a reporting problem like I suggested earlier.

A temporary workaround is to force 3D mode on through Rivatuner, but you can't switch between 2D and 3D modes manually without restarting the computer, so that basically means leaving it at 3D all the time. (which means increased power usage and higher fan noise during idle)
 

JAG87

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And you know what else is funny CP5670? If you force high perf 3D with rivatuner with SLI, it only forces the primary card. The second card still downclocks at will and cause all sorts of horrible lag spikes when running SLI.

Unwinder told me to disable SLI and force performance mode individually for each card, something that I haven't been able to do because I cant seem to access any settings for the second card, but only for the card which the monitor is plugged into.

Add to that, the fact that you are always running at 3D clocks and voltages, more heat, and more noise. Rivatuner is not a fix, its a band aid.

nvidia will most likely fix this issue with their next WHQL driver, they are well aware of it.



Originally posted by: gersson
From what I am reading this will probably now affect me.
I crank up the IQ to the edge of playability (for me this is >35 fps).
BF2 I will use 32xs SSAA + 16xAF @ 1920x1200


Well that's great for you. Not everyone sees the difference between 4xAA and 32x SSAA.

Fact is the cards shouldn't be downclocking, even with all settings on LOW at 640x480.

You paid for 240 shaders running at 1300 mhz, and 32 ROPs running at 600 mhz.
 

OCGuy

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Rivatuner - Force constant 3d mode. Its like turning off Speedstep and C1E for CPUs. I did it and it works fine...I dont want it downclocked anyway.


Its a new tech, they will fix it with drivers. I highly doubt its a hardware issue.


 

LittleNemoNES

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Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Rivatuner - Force constant 3d mode. Its like turning off Speedstep and C1E for CPUs. I did it and it works fine...I dont want it downclocked anyway.


Its a new tech, they will fix it with drivers. I highly doubt its a hardware issue.

It's great that you brought speedstep because I think that it is exactly what it is. Nvidia should give it a marketing name and that should soothe fears.

That said, if it really does cause discernible hiccups during gameplay, then they need to fix it.

*Imagines people obsessing over playing minesweeper @ full speed*
 

CP5670

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And you know what else is funny CP5670? If you force high perf 3D with rivatuner with SLI, it only forces the primary card. The second card still downclocks at will and cause all sorts of horrible lag spikes when running SLI.

Unwinder told me to disable SLI and force performance mode individually for each card, something that I haven't been able to do because I cant seem to access any settings for the second card, but only for the card which the monitor is plugged into.

That sounds pretty nasty. You may be able to change the cards' BIOSes with the 2D and low power modes set to the same speeds and voltages as the 3D mode, but that might be too much work for something that, as you said, is not really a fix at all. It's probably better to just wait for Nvidia's next update.

It's great that you brought speedstep because I think that it is exactly what it is. Nvidia should give it a marketing name and that should soothe fears.

The low power modes are a good thing for Windows and 2D programs. The problem is that it shouldn't be using them while running anything 3D accelerated.
 

n7

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Let us pray that the drivers get fixed soon then.

I wouldn't count on though...

Card was taken to the post office yesterday & sent out for RMA thru BFG.
But due to them being a raging ripoff for shipping, i did slow shipping, so who knows how many weeks it'll be before i get a replacement back...
 

alkalinetaupehat

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I bought a GTX260 recently and with the factory OC at 640Mhz core etc. the card idles @ 45c and loads @ 75c in a P182, I don't like those temps so I'm going through what I can to lower them. The factory heatsink/fan is a quad-heatpipe unit with three copper heatpipes on the top of an aluminum heatsink and a fourth, smaller heatpipe attached to the side panel with the spaced grooves in it. The whole unit minus the card and PCI slot bracket is a three-piece deal which makes contact with plenty of board ICs and whatnot. The heatsink isn't terribly difficult to take off, just 15 some screws lightly firmed in place, if someone wants to see what fresh thermal paste does for their card. Mine dropped 1-2c after the old stuff was meticulously taken off with Arcti-Clean and coffee filters and Noctua NT-H1 was lightly put on in place of the factory mesh/grease pads.
 

Redox

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n7 are you in Canada? If so, you could try ordering from Memory Express in future:

Memory Express

If you take their Product Replacement Plan (at extra cost) they will pay for shipping and offer much better turnaround than the typical card vendor RMA route. Prices are pretty competitive too.

Originally posted by: n7
Let us pray that the drivers get fixed soon then.

I wouldn't count on though...

Card was taken to the post office yesterday & sent out for RMA thru BFG.
But due to them being a raging ripoff for shipping, i did slow shipping, so who knows how many weeks it'll be before i get a replacement back...

 

OCGuy

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Originally posted by: alkalinetaupehat
I bought a GTX260 recently and with the factory OC at 640Mhz core etc. the card idles @ 45c and loads @ 75c in a P182, I don't like those temps so I'm going through what I can to lower them. The factory heatsink/fan is a quad-heatpipe unit with three copper heatpipes on the top of an aluminum heatsink and a fourth, smaller heatpipe attached to the side panel with the spaced grooves in it. The whole unit minus the card and PCI slot bracket is a three-piece deal which makes contact with plenty of board ICs and whatnot. The heatsink isn't terribly difficult to take off, just 15 some screws lightly firmed in place, if someone wants to see what fresh thermal paste does for their card. Mine dropped 1-2c after the old stuff was meticulously taken off with Arcti-Clean and coffee filters and Noctua NT-H1 was lightly put on in place of the factory mesh/grease pads.



What is wrong with those temps? You know a GPU can handle alot more than a CPU, right?


75C is a great load temp on an OC'd card on factory cooling.
 

n7

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Originally posted by: Redox
n7 are you in Canada? If so, you could try ordering from Memory Express in future:

Memory Express

If you take their Product Replacement Plan (at extra cost) they will pay for shipping and offer much better turnaround than the typical card vendor RMA route. Prices are pretty competitive too.

Yeah, we have a Memory Express here in Edmonton

Good store, but everything is a bit more than buying thru NCIX/DirectCanada/etc. (the online stores).

When i ordered my GTX 280, it was on sale for $445 @ DC.
Memory Express had nothing but $500+.

Now i do see they have an XFX one for $450, not to mention a much better return policy...but too late for that now
 

LittleNemoNES

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Well, my replacement came in today and it is working perfectly!
75* load after 1 hr Crysis
Will report back later
 

alkalinetaupehat

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Originally posted by: Ocguy31


What is wrong with those temps? You know a GPU can handle alot more than a CPU, right?


75C is a great load temp on an OC'd card on factory cooling.

Yeah I know, it's mostly my dislike of high therms period. Plus, the Rev. 2 DOES keep an 8800GT at like 38C idle and 45c load. I'd like my new load temps to be equivalent to my previous idle temps, that would make me feel better about the longevity of my card's life...perhaps someone with an overheating GTX280 should try out aftermarket cooling? I just need enough heatsinks for the RAM, a random chip between the core and DVI ports, and teh VRM area. That, and some way to cover the rest of the GT200 chip.
 

taltamir

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speaking of the quick spike to load temp... this is very common. I have seen it for years. CPUs, GPUs... it will go from idle temp to load temp in under a second, and drop back down to idle in under a second.
 

n7

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Originally posted by: gersson
Well, my replacement came in today and it is working perfectly!
75* load after 1 hr Crysis
Will report back later

Good to hear.

Originally posted by: taltamir
speaking of the quick spike to load temp... this is very common. I have seen it for years. CPUs, GPUs... it will go from idle temp to load temp in under a second, and drop back down to idle in under a second.

Eh, not that i've seen.

It usually takes a bit of time.

When you see idle to load jump in temps a lot in a very short period of time, that's a good indictor the cooling ain't working so well.
 

n7

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Wow.

Fucking wow.

I just got my replacement card from RMA.

It's another goddamned defective card.

I am more than angry right now. :|

I'd have to say that about now, BFG & nVidia can go fuck themselves.
 

Keysplayr

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Originally posted by: n7
Wow.

Fucking wow.

I just got my replacement card from RMA.

It's another goddamned defective card.

I am more than angry right now. :|

I'd have to say that about now, BFG & nVidia can go fuck themselves.

Are the serials different?
 

n7

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It's a different card, brand new one, with the exact same issue. It hit 100C in less than a minute during the Furmark bench.

It took maybe two minutes in the GRID menu to hit 103C, & then worse in game.

Same exact little artifacts, stuttering/chugging as a result.

I messaged DC about getting a refund...but then i realized i am screwed, since the replacement card is a different serial number than what's on the box (BFG doesn't send new boxes).
So they will reject the refund i already know.

So i'm pretty much screwed.

I phoned BFG & sat on hold for about an hour...

But then i got the sweetest talking customer service girl on the phone lol.

I learned that my previous RMA was nothing more than a replacement.
They basically just sent a new one my way without checking anything. (hence why i got another bad one).

For this second RMA they are paying the shipping & it's going to the US somewhere where they will actually test the card & supposedly test the new one as well.

So i'll be without it for another couple weeks at least, & then i've got a great chance of getting another defective one back, since i doubt they will actually test my replacement.
There are people on nVnews who have gotten four cards bad so far, or others, three.

I pretty much expect to get another bad one back, but i'll keep sending them back.

I will very likely sell the first good one i get & replace it with a 4870 1 GB, as i really have no desire to support a company who cannot even attempt quality control.

Don't think that last comment refers to this fiasco only either.
There's the insanely massive issue with their notebook chipsets/mobile GPUs as well, not to mention their desktop chipsets that have been problematic at best in the last few years.
It's become pretty apparent they are working hard to cut every corner possible at the expense of reliable products.

Some will take that as n7 being biased, but rest assured, that's not the case.
Anyone who does any research will see the same thing i am right now.
 

OCGuy

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Im not sure how you could blame NV and not just BFG. Im @ 680 core and never see over 78C @ 55% fans.....EVGA FTW.
 

BFG10K

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Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Im not sure how you could blame NV and not just BFG.
Most of the blame lies with whoever manufactures/assembles the cards but some element of the blame lies with nVidia for quality control, or lack thereof. N7's experience isn't an isolated case and neither is the case isolated to just BFG cards.

This is one of the reasons why I'm skippping the 65 nm GT200 and waiting for the 55 nm version. I've waited this long so I may as well get the better core.
 

Compddd

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Any idea why my 280 is changing it's fan to direct control on its own after playing games? lol
 

gramboh

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Sorry to hear your luck n7.

I got my GTX 280 installed earlier this week (EVGA). It idles at 69c @ 42% fan, peaks at 87c in Crysis after an hour or so. The weird thing for me is the fan never returns down to ~40% after gaming, it stays around 80% resulting in idle temp of 55c which is nice, but too loud. Reboot fixes it. I'm assuming this is a driver issue. 2D downclocking also doesn't work (maybe because of Vista Aero).

I'm running 648/1404/1161 (SSC speeds).
 
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