Defending the PS3

[Aikouka]

Originally posted by: QED
Mostly VLC--- for playing captured hi-def shows (I have tons of old episodes of 24, House, The Office, and a few football games).

Maybe a little MAME for some old-school arcade action.

VNC for connecting to work without having to fire up my PC...

Also a little xfire or xaquarium or stellaris for eye candy when company is over...

You can do #1 just fine using the XBOX 360 as a Media Extender.

PS3 simply does not have the games yet, although my "need" to have "top technology" keeps making me tempted to buy one. I don't see any games that I'd need to have though as I've begun to dislike every new FF game that comes out anyway.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Dear Fanboys,

I have a few pieces of advice I want to pass onto you in this GameSpotting. I know that in an age of multiple platforms and a huge amount of games, it can be difficult to remain loyal to one platform or one company. It's a real challenge, and you are all noble and courageous for taking on this quest. I have a few suggestions that I hope you all take to heart. It will help guide you down the path of the fanboy.

GameSpot is the most reliable source for reviews. Except when another publication rates the game you're hyping higher than us. Then that publication is the most reliable source. Until next week, anyway.

A person who owns just one console is inherently less biased than editors at GameSpot who have access to all consoles.

The term "exclusive" is tricky. Its definition changes depending upon whether a hot game appears on your platform or not.

Innovation is what it's called when your console has a unique feature. Otherwise, it's called a gimmick.

Your specific needs are shaped around your platform's features. For instance, if your console doesn't feature HDTV support, then it really wasn't that necessary to have, anyway.

A game that is scored less than a 9.5 on any platform you don't own is called a flop. If it does achieve that score, it's called overrated. (According to the GameSpot rating system, a game rated 8 or above is "great," but we all know that it really means "flop.")

Sales numbers are everything, as long as the numbers are best for your favorite company or console. If that means you have to dig up numbers for sales in New Zealand stores from seven months ago to prove your point, so be it.

Likewise, it is up to you to monitor how companies are doing and report every dip in stock price of manufacturers of other consoles. You're all experts in the fields of economics and finance, so your analyses will always prove correct.

You must realize, that some companies are evil, and some are inherently good. Some companies do it for the money, others do it... so, well, you can brag about them.

Perhaps the most clever thing you as fanboys can do is to come up with derogatory names for competing consoles, such as Xbrick instead of Xbox or FlopStation 2 instead of PlayStation 2.

On message boards, the best way to convey your point is to write in all caps, ignore the rules of grammar, and include lots of "LMAO's" and "LOLs" in your post.

It makes perfect sense to insult a company's lineup one moment and at the same time hope that company will go third party and develop for your console the next.

Playing a game on a different console for ten minutes at a friend's house qualifies you as an expert on that game and console.

You are obviously the most knowledgeable person about hardware. So when you're talking about the difference between CISC and RISC processors, everyone should stop and listen.

A sequel on another console is a "rehash," while a sequel on your console is not; in fact, it's highly anticipated.

Your platform is the best one in existence. Any time you see what might be evidence to the contrary, it's clearly because others are blinded by their idiotic fanboyism.

So you see, dear readers, the best part about being a fanboy is that you can never be proven wrong. As long as you ignore the rules of logic and sensibility, you will never have to worry about whether or not you made a good investment. That sure helps all the insecurity go away, doesn't it?

In the meanwhile, the rest of us will have to go on using our brains to make decisions when it comes to videogames. We will have to actually think about whether or not it's worth it to buy a console based on our needs. We will have to consider forking over more money for a new machine if its games are excellent. We will have to play the best games instead of bash them if they're not on our consoles.

In other words, the rest of us non-fanboys are doomed to a life of playing the best games and enjoying our hobby, while you will have the luxury of being able to ignore the majority of games that come out, because they're not on your console. That is indeed very lucky for you all.

And with that, I must wrap up my letter today. I hope I was able to teach you all a thing or two.

Your Pal,
Adam

That about covers it.

 

[fs5]

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
That about covers it.

I pretty much take the anti-fanboy approach. In the end I had to choose between the ps3/360/wii because I only have enough money to purchase one. If I had the money I'd own all 3!

I'm not bashing any of the other consoles, just defending the one I purchased since it seems to be taking a beating on these forums.

 

[randay]

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER

Dear Fanboys,

I have a few pieces of advice I want to pass onto you in this GameSpotting. I know that in an age of multiple platforms and a huge amount of games, it can be difficult to remain loyal to one platform or one company. It's a real challenge, and you are all noble and courageous for taking on this quest. I have a few suggestions that I hope you all take to heart. It will help guide you down the path of the fanboy.

GameSpot is the most reliable source for reviews. Except when another publication rates the game you're hyping higher than us. Then that publication is the most reliable source. Until next week, anyway.

A person who owns just one console is inherently less biased than editors at GameSpot who have access to all consoles.

The term "exclusive" is tricky. Its definition changes depending upon whether a hot game appears on your platform or not.

Innovation is what it's called when your console has a unique feature. Otherwise, it's called a gimmick.

Your specific needs are shaped around your platform's features. For instance, if your console doesn't feature HDTV support, then it really wasn't that necessary to have, anyway.

A game that is scored less than a 9.5 on any platform you don't own is called a flop. If it does achieve that score, it's called overrated. (According to the GameSpot rating system, a game rated 8 or above is "great," but we all know that it really means "flop.")

Sales numbers are everything, as long as the numbers are best for your favorite company or console. If that means you have to dig up numbers for sales in New Zealand stores from seven months ago to prove your point, so be it.

Likewise, it is up to you to monitor how companies are doing and report every dip in stock price of manufacturers of other consoles. You're all experts in the fields of economics and finance, so your analyses will always prove correct.

You must realize, that some companies are evil, and some are inherently good. Some companies do it for the money, others do it... so, well, you can brag about them.

Perhaps the most clever thing you as fanboys can do is to come up with derogatory names for competing consoles, such as Xbrick instead of Xbox or FlopStation 2 instead of PlayStation 2.

On message boards, the best way to convey your point is to write in all caps, ignore the rules of grammar, and include lots of "LMAO's" and "LOLs" in your post.

It makes perfect sense to insult a company's lineup one moment and at the same time hope that company will go third party and develop for your console the next.

Playing a game on a different console for ten minutes at a friend's house qualifies you as an expert on that game and console.

You are obviously the most knowledgeable person about hardware. So when you're talking about the difference between CISC and RISC processors, everyone should stop and listen.

A sequel on another console is a "rehash," while a sequel on your console is not; in fact, it's highly anticipated.

Your platform is the best one in existence. Any time you see what might be evidence to the contrary, it's clearly because others are blinded by their idiotic fanboyism.

So you see, dear readers, the best part about being a fanboy is that you can never be proven wrong. As long as you ignore the rules of logic and sensibility, you will never have to worry about whether or not you made a good investment. That sure helps all the insecurity go away, doesn't it?

In the meanwhile, the rest of us will have to go on using our brains to make decisions when it comes to videogames. We will have to actually think about whether or not it's worth it to buy a console based on our needs. We will have to consider forking over more money for a new machine if its games are excellent. We will have to play the best games instead of bash them if they're not on our consoles.

In other words, the rest of us non-fanboys are doomed to a life of playing the best games and enjoying our hobby, while you will have the luxury of being able to ignore the majority of games that come out, because they're not on your console. That is indeed very lucky for you all.

And with that, I must wrap up my letter today. I hope I was able to teach you all a thing or two.

Your Pal,
Adam

That about covers it.

Its funny because its true.

 

[loup garou]

Originally posted by: fs5

Originally posted by: loup garou

Originally posted by: fs5
still, I think if the PS3 had enough supply (or if best-buy didn't HORDE them), it could've done much better. Shortage of supply really hurt the initial launch.

I guess all those people who really, really wanted PS3s at launch have forgotten about them, because they're rotting on the shelves now.

depends who you ask. Amazon released a bunch 12/29 and sold out within mins from what I hear.

Been in stock at Best Buy online all day.

 

[fs5]

Originally posted by: loup garou
Been in stock at Best Buy online all day.

click on Estimated Arrival Time: 1/8-1/16/2007 still pretty good for anybody looking to buy one.

 

[loup garou]

Originally posted by: fs5

Originally posted by: loup garou
Been in stock at Best Buy online all day.

click on Estimated Arrival Time: 1/8-1/16/2007 still pretty good for anybody looking to buy one.

I guess UPS has to invest in some teleportational shipping apparati to satisfy those eager to play in the fourth dimension.

 

[Yreka]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: wazzledoozle
No one except hard-core gamers care about asian games anymore, and hard-core gamers dont matter anymore either.

.. what makes a fat white kid hard core?

Ever seen one work a buffet ?

 

[Yreka]

Originally posted by: Quintox
Why don't the Japanese like MS consoles? 360 is the best of all 3 IMO

Racism, obviously.

 

[CVSiN]

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: QED
I recently found myself deciding between the $400 xbox360 and the $600 ps3. At the time I only had an xbox with only a meager collection of games, so I wasn't tied to either platform... I ended up going with a PS3.

At first, the xbox360 seems to win on price alone-- but after you add $100 for a wireless adapter and $200 for a HD-DVD player you actually spend more for a comparable xbox360 system then you would for a PS3. That, and the fact that the PS3 was built to be Linux-capable, were the things that swayed me the most...

My main concern right now is lack of games-- not necessarily because there is not much to play right now (there isn't-- but I know that will change with time)-- but mostly because since every PS3 game is a "new release" they are all $60+... whereas xbox360 has loads of games to be found at every video game store for $30 or less.

I've always wondered this so I will just ask you since you used it as a reason to buy the system.

Why is Linux important?

Dude I can run LINUX on a electronic toaster if you wanted to... thats not really sucha big deal..
they are already putting linux on the DS and the PSP..
and a LINUX box costs far less than a PS3.....

LINUX is going nowhere till someone does something to mainstream it..

360 is fully windows Intergrated with media center.. thats a far bigger perk than LINUX..

 

[randay]

Originally posted by: CVSiN

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: QED
I recently found myself deciding between the $400 xbox360 and the $600 ps3. At the time I only had an xbox with only a meager collection of games, so I wasn't tied to either platform... I ended up going with a PS3.

At first, the xbox360 seems to win on price alone-- but after you add $100 for a wireless adapter and $200 for a HD-DVD player you actually spend more for a comparable xbox360 system then you would for a PS3. That, and the fact that the PS3 was built to be Linux-capable, were the things that swayed me the most...

My main concern right now is lack of games-- not necessarily because there is not much to play right now (there isn't-- but I know that will change with time)-- but mostly because since every PS3 game is a "new release" they are all $60+... whereas xbox360 has loads of games to be found at every video game store for $30 or less.

I've always wondered this so I will just ask you since you used it as a reason to buy the system.

Why is Linux important?

Dude I can run LINUX on a electronic toaster if you wanted to... thats not really sucha big deal..
they are already putting linux on the DS and the PSP..
and a LINUX box costs far less than a PS3.....

LINUX is going nowhere till someone does something to mainstream it..

360 is fully windows Intergrated with media center.. thats a far bigger perk than LINUX..

:disgust:

 

[fs5]

Originally posted by: loup garou

Originally posted by: fs5

Originally posted by: loup garou
Been in stock at Best Buy online all day.

click on Estimated Arrival Time: 1/8-1/16/2007 still pretty good for anybody looking to buy one.

I guess UPS has to invest in some teleportational shipping apparati to satisfy those eager to play in the fourth dimension.

wtf are you talking about.

 

[loup garou]

Originally posted by: fs5

Originally posted by: loup garou

Originally posted by: fs5

Originally posted by: loup garou
Been in stock at Best Buy online all day.

click on Estimated Arrival Time: 1/8-1/16/2007 still pretty good for anybody looking to buy one.

I guess UPS has to invest in some teleportational shipping apparati to satisfy those eager to play in the fourth dimension.

wtf are you talking about.

Arrival date, not ship date. They are in stock.

 

[fs5]

Originally posted by: loup garou

Originally posted by: fs5

Originally posted by: loup garou

Originally posted by: fs5

Originally posted by: loup garou
Been in stock at Best Buy online all day.

click on Estimated Arrival Time: 1/8-1/16/2007 still pretty good for anybody looking to buy one.

I guess UPS has to invest in some teleportational shipping apparati to satisfy those eager to play in the fourth dimension.

wtf are you talking about.

Arrival date, not ship date. They are in stock.

I know that's arrival date, still wtf are you talking about?

Best Buy horded them so they could advertise 25 min per store.
http://www.joystiq.com/2006/12/28/rumor...t-buy-is-sitting-on-your-new-year-ps3/

I said it depends on who you ask, amazon still sold out within mins.

 

[loup garou]

Originally posted by: fs5
I know that's arrival date, still wtf are you talking about?

Best Buy horded them so they could advertise 25 min per store.
http://www.joystiq.com/2006/12/28/rumor...t-buy-is-sitting-on-your-new-year-ps3/

I said it depends on who you ask, amazon still sold out within mins.

I was just saying if you wanted it any faster, they'd have to teleport them to you. Sheesh.

 

[blckgrffn]

The local best buys still have them stacked up from Sunday today. I know because I have gone every day seeking a wii with no success :|

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: fs5

Best Buy horded them so they could advertise 25 min per store.
http://www.joystiq.com/2006/12/28/rumor...t-buy-is-sitting-on-your-new-year-ps3/

I said it depends on who you ask, amazon still sold out within mins.

wii sold out within seconds

 

[QED]

Originally posted by: CVSiN


Dude I can run LINUX on a electronic toaster if you wanted to... thats not really sucha big deal..
they are already putting linux on the DS and the PSP..
and a LINUX box costs far less than a PS3.....

When you say "Linux box" you mean a PC? You're right... I can probably build a PC to run Linux for less than the PS3, but it won't play games like a console. To me, a PS3 makes more sense than a standalone HTPC + some other next-gen console.

But what's with your hate for Linux? You sound like someone who knows very little about it...

LINUX is going nowhere till someone does something to mainstream it..

Hate to break it to you, but Linux is already going just about everywhere. Microsoft's server platform has been steadily losing market share year after year-- while vendors such as IBM, Novell, Dell, and HP are all shifting focus to the Linux platform.

360 is fully windows Intergrated with media center.. thats a far bigger perk than LINUX..

Can you run any app of your choosing on the xbox360, or only what Microsoft says you can run? If the xbox360 could dual-boot into Windows Media Center than that *might* make it worthwhile... but from what I understand it can only act as an extension for another Windows Media Center box...

 

[loup garou]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: fs5

Best Buy horded them so they could advertise 25 min per store.
http://www.joystiq.com/2006/12/28/rumor...t-buy-is-sitting-on-your-new-year-ps3/

I said it depends on who you ask, amazon still sold out within mins.

wii sold out within seconds

And Best Buy held onto Wiis for an ad just like this PS3 "hording." People lined up at the stores to buy them and they were gone in minutes.

 

[randay]

Originally posted by: loup garou

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: fs5

Best Buy horded them so they could advertise 25 min per store.
http://www.joystiq.com/2006/12/28/rumor...t-buy-is-sitting-on-your-new-year-ps3/

I said it depends on who you ask, amazon still sold out within mins.

wii sold out within seconds

And Best Buy held onto Wiis for an ad just like this PS3 "hording." People lined up at the stores to buy them and they were gone in minutes.

What exactly is the angle you are trying to work here with the "ps3 is in stock" and "wii is out of stock" arguments? supply demand ratios have practically zero bearing on anyones decision of which console is better, except maybe the fanboys who need to grasp onto any insignificant fact.

 

[t3h l337 n3wb]

PS3 sucks. Wii ftw.

 

[TecHNooB]

I can't wait to see a next-gen Silent Hill game~

 

[fs5]

Originally posted by: t3h l337 n3wb
PS3 sucks. Wii ftw.

That it! I'm returning my ps3 after this insanely convincing comment by "t3h l337 n3wb".

 

[Locut0s]

I've got a PS3 and am willing to defend it along with the OP. Yes I also have a 360. Yes it's expensive, yes the 360 has better games out now, yes the Wii is a way better deal for the $ but Sony has the deep pockets to make the PS3 come out ahead, or at least neck and neck, in the end. Funny how so many people love the PS2 but hate the PS3. Yes they WAY over hyped it and had problems launching the thing. Yes they have bugs that need to be worked out. Remember how everyone was complaining how hard it was to program for the PS2 and how that would be it's downfall? What about the PS3s backwards compatibility, despite the fact that it's backwards compatibility isn't 100% it's the most backwards compatible system out there. MS also clamed that the 360 would be backwards compatible, that has turned out to be a mess so far. And many if not most of the issues with compatibility will be ironed out in the long run. That is a HUGE library of games the PS3 can play right now, including some of the best games ever made as reviewed by many. It won't be long until the PS3 also has many next gen titles for it too, no company developing games for the next gen systems will skip the PS3. Then there are the exclusives the OP mentioned along with many others down the road no doubt. As for Blu-Ray vs HD-DVD I think Sony also has the pockets to keep Blu-Ray in the game for the long run. At worst I think we will end up with a split next gen market with movies released for both formats as they are now.

 

[CVSiN]

Originally posted by: QED

Originally posted by: CVSiN


Dude I can run LINUX on a electronic toaster if you wanted to... thats not really sucha big deal..
they are already putting linux on the DS and the PSP..
and a LINUX box costs far less than a PS3.....

When you say "Linux box" you mean a PC? You're right... I can probably build a PC to run Linux for less than the PS3, but it won't play games like a console. To me, a PS3 makes more sense than a standalone HTPC + some other next-gen console.

But what's with your hate for Linux? You sound like someone who knows very little about it...

LINUX is going nowhere till someone does something to mainstream it..

Hate to break it to you, but Linux is already going just about everywhere. Microsoft's server platform has been steadily losing market share year after year-- while vendors such as IBM, Novell, Dell, and HP are all shifting focus to the Linux platform.

360 is fully windows Intergrated with media center.. thats a far bigger perk than LINUX..

Can you run any app of your choosing on the xbox360, or only what Microsoft says you can run? If the xbox360 could dual-boot into Windows Media Center than that *might* make it worthwhile... but from what I understand it can only act as an extension for another Windows Media Center box...

I have no hate for LINUX at all just newbs that think that cause the PS3 and pretty much every other device out there (with hacks or mods) can run it also...

LINUX is not goign anywhere... as long as MS owns the home market and software only comes out on PCs. LINUX is for very specific applciations..
we use LINUX machines here for Geodata processing ... yet next to every one is also a PC..

LINUX is too limited to be a real workstation.

as for your server comment.. again MS isnt going anywhere..
My job is an MCSE/MCSA system admin for a very large oil company and we are headed for even more MS servers this new year with Vista becoming our new client software.

every company ive worked for in this industry uses MS servers and clients and they arnt planning on chaning any time soon either..

also worked in Aerospace... and they also are firmly rooted with MS and thier servers..

Your claims are unfounded and unrealistic.. until some company like MS takes ahold of LINUX and puts massive support and work into it.. not to mention stealing MS thunder and swayign software companies to write for it.. MS is in no danger of anything..

PS3 is an overpriced paperweight.. and LINUX nor bluray will save it..
they are too far behind with same gen hardware to make it a valid choice.

BTW why would I want anything other and a media extender? if you want to play on your PC hook it up as a HTPC in the living room.. problem solved..