Defending the PS3

[homestarmy]

Sony Bashing was always cool.

And the numbers don't match up. You're saying that PS3 is dominating, but Wii has more sales according to your numbers, and X360 can't be compared directly bc everyone already has one.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: Scarpozzi
The difference between Sony and Microsoft is that M$ takes a loss on their consoles from the beginning and makes their money from a percentage from the game companies. So it's basically the Microsoft Licensing lawyers that are forcing collection of profits, rather than the console sales....since they take a loss in the beginning when the hardware is still new.

Sony, is probably taking a loss too, but didn't pick cheap enough hardware so it's not scaling as well as the microsoft model. The real question is whether or not you'll get a quality system in the PS3....it may not be ready yet if they cut corners or didn't design the cooling properly.

Sony takes a loss too. A loss larger than MS ever took on the 360. Only Nintendo is making a profit on each console sold.

Costs of the 360 is already dropping as mentioned before. The PS3 will still be selling for $500-$600 next Christmas while the 360 will likely be at $300 for the Premium and the Wii will be $250 or less.

 

[Poulsonator]

Originally posted by: fs5

3) Free online play, even though it pales in comparison to Xbox live by far it's still free.

I love how people bring this up, AFTER spending $600+ for a console. What, $50 a year is going to break you now? For a service that is FAR, FAR superior?

 

[fs5]

Originally posted by: Poulsonator

Originally posted by: fs5

3) Free online play, even though it pales in comparison to Xbox live by far it's still free.

I love how people bring this up, AFTER spending $600+ for a console. What, $50 a year is going to break you now? For a service that is FAR, FAR superior?

I said it's far superior already, at least right now. In the future who knows? $50 a year is still money and you still have to factor it into the cost of owning the console.

Yesterday, I got in a couple hours of multiplayer Resistance. No lag, no issues.

 

[TanisHalfElven]

Originally posted by: michaels

Originally posted by: RGUN

Originally posted by: michaels
Gt was my sole reason to own a PS2, then along came Forza, I then sold my PS2. It's sad when a part 1 of a series brings more to the table than a part 4.

Lol, quite possibly the stupidest thing Ive ever read on here. So you're saying Forza shouldnt have learned from its competitors and should have made a game equivalent to the first GT and worked up from there?

I think you are misunderstanding me. Forza is superior to all of the GT's.

indeed. i hate the on rails GT ai. and the 2d physics. and the no damage. how can a sim be a sim if you can bash the card headlong into a wall at 200+ mph and have no damage AT ALL.

 

[randay]

Originally posted by: Poulsonator

Originally posted by: fs5

3) Free online play, even though it pales in comparison to Xbox live by far it's still free.

I love how people bring this up, AFTER spending $600+ for a console. What, $50 a year is going to break you now? For a service that is FAR, FAR superior?

I dont see how xbox live is far superior.

 

[randay]

Originally posted by: tanishalfelven

Originally posted by: michaels

Originally posted by: RGUN

Originally posted by: michaels
Gt was my sole reason to own a PS2, then along came Forza, I then sold my PS2. It's sad when a part 1 of a series brings more to the table than a part 4.

Lol, quite possibly the stupidest thing Ive ever read on here. So you're saying Forza shouldnt have learned from its competitors and should have made a game equivalent to the first GT and worked up from there?

I think you are misunderstanding me. Forza is superior to all of the GT's.

indeed. i hate the on rails GT ai. and the 2d physics. and the no damage. how can a sim be a sim if you can bash the card headlong into a wall at 200+ mph and have no damage AT ALL.

2d physics? what exactly are you on about?

 

[Golgatha]

Originally posted by: fs5
Wasn't it cool just a few years ago to hate on M$? When did $ony bashing become cool?

When they released a $600 game console that has currently one single game worth buying, when they overpromised and underperformed, when they made you buy a $30 cable to transfer your PS2 and PS1 gamesaves to the hard drive, when they didn't support Guitars and DDR pads, when they made your old games look worse on the next-gen hardware, when they made it a wonderfully rounded shape so you can't sit anything on top of it and so big you don't dare sit anything under it, and when they had 5years to take some pointers from XBL and did absolutely nothing in the way of developing a centralized Online experience.

And that's just one product. We've put up with proprietary formats, rootkits, and overpriced made in China hardware for long enough. Sony can die on the hardware front for all I care.

Full Disclosure: I own a Sony Vega TV, VCR, 5-disc DVD changer, and PS2. They won't see a dime of my money except maybe from royalties on the few PS2 games I still purchase. I used to love Sony products, but the last 5-years or so have just put a bad taste in my mouth that I just can't seem to get rid of.

 

[hans030390]

Originally posted by: Golgatha
...when they made you buy a $30 cable to transfer your PS2 and PS1 gamesaves to the hard drive, when they didn't support Guitars and DDR pads, when they made your old games look worse on the next-gen hardware, when they made it a wonderfully rounded shape so you can't sit anything on top of it and so big you don't dare sit anything under it, and when they had 5years to take some pointers from XBL and did absolutely nothing in the way of developing a centralized Online experience.

Microsoft charges $100 for the 20gb AND a Wi-Fi adapter. If that doesn't scream overpriced, I don't know what does.

The PS3 simply doesn't have a way to connect controllers like that. Big deal, keep your PS2. I'm sure there will be an adapter out there some time, and it won't cost $100 like above.

The old games look fine if you run them trough composite or force it at 480i. Otherwise it converts it to 480p, which the games weren't meant for. Wow, real tough solution. It's explained why it makes games look bad.

I like the shape of the PS3. And I try to avoid stacking items anyway, because I have room.

Aside from having slow downloads, for being a new, FREE service, it's great. Try playing Resistance. Even wirelessly (from the total opposite side of my house where I don't get a great signal) it runs flawlessly for me. I don't need to pay $50 a year when all I want is a simple service.

I don't see people complaining about online games like CS...you just turn it on and play. That's how I like it. Give the network a year or two to mature and offer more things.

As far as exclusive titles, and it IS fair to include the PC, it's a gaming system just like anything else. Big deal if it costs more. If the PS3 was $1000, you'd still include it as a system. People can just as easily buy PCs, even if they're not as likely to.

Anyways, as far as exclusives go, the 360 really doesn't have any good ones besides GoW. Later it will get other titles that will be forgotten...the only remembered titles will be GoW and Halo. The Wii HAD Zelda, but you can just as easily get it on GC. Trust me, the controls on the Wii don't make it any better. So far all the PS3 can boast is Resistance, but in the long run it will have more remembered titles.

I don't know why everyone thinks MGS4 will come to 360. It's a possibility, but the only MGS game on an Xbox console is MGS2, and it had special features...which it was then released again on PS2 with even more features. MGS3 never went to Xbox...so why does that mean MGS4 will be on the 360? Just because "they have no plans NOW." And they may very well never have plans. Don't get your hopes up.

I don't have a problem with any of the consoles. I'll likely get a Wii myself, and I'll have my best library on PS3. I see no need for the 360...GoW and Halo 3 don't look appealing to me.

Games are games. You're not forced to buy anything, so don't bash on something just because it's not what you like.

 

[foghorn67]

Originally posted by: tanishalfelven
Gt was my sole reason to own a PS2, then along came Forza, I then sold my PS2. It's sad when a part 1 of a series brings more to the table than a part 4.

Lol, quite possibly the stupidest thing Ive ever read on here. So you're saying Forza shouldnt have learned from its competitors and should have made a game equivalent to the first GT and worked up from there?
[/quote]

I think you are misunderstanding me. Forza is superior to all of the GT's.[/quote]

indeed. i hate the on rails GT ai. and the 2d physics. and the no damage. how can a sim be a sim if you can bash the card headlong into a wall at 200+ mph and have no damage AT ALL.[/quote]
I think this is where game designers reach a parodox. When reaching a certain point, go more simulator or more arcade.
I for one think Forza and the GT series are great.
But play GTR2 or GT Legends with a steering wheel, and get ready to be immersed.
I feel totally disconnected from the GT/Forza experience. I never drove a car from the roof or hood. The sensation of speed is totally lacking as well.

 

[BunLengthHotDog]

Initial Holiday Sales numbers are out. In the traditional console market, 360 took overall sales numbers, Wii a close 2nd, and PS3 was third.

Sales Numbers

Sales Numbers 2

360 = 2 Million
Wii = 1.8 Million
PS3 = 750,000

Wii killed all those who entered its' path on units sold / day, 360 takes the crown for overall sales. PS3 can surely look forward to better sales in 2007

 

[Kromis]

Originally posted by: BunLengthHotDog
Initial Holiday Sales numbers are out. In the traditional console market, 360 took overall sales numbers, Wii a close 2nd, and PS3 was third.

Sales Numbers

Sales Numbers 2

Wii killed all those who entered their path on units sold / day, 360 takes the crown for overall sales. PS3 can surely look forward to better sales in 2007

Touche

 

[JACKHAMMER]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: fs5
edit: IGN names it best console of the year. I'm not saying IGN is the end all source but ..
http://bestof.ign.com/2006/gear/1.html

That's just ridiculous. PS2 or Wii should be consoles of the year.

PS2!? Are you kidding? Anyway, I think the DSLite should be the winner here.

 

[fs5]

Originally posted by: randay
I dont see how xbox live is far superior.

I haven't used it personally but from what I hear:
- gamer cards,
- better downloadable game selections
- you can get messages from the network if your friends are online. Like if you're playing madden and then your friend wants to play a game of GoW you can stop your madden game and jump in to GoW with him. that's because XBL is a centralized service... I don't believe the playstation network can do this yet.
- downloadable movies/tv shows

Originally posted by: BunLengthHotDog
Initial Holiday Sales numbers are out. In the traditional console market, 360 took overall sales numbers, Wii a close 2nd, and PS3 was third.

Sales Numbers

Sales Numbers 2

360 = 2 Million
Wii = 1.8 Million
PS3 = 750,000

Wii killed all those who entered its' path on units sold / day, 360 takes the crown for overall sales. PS3 can surely look forward to better sales in 2007

These are US based sales right? My OP was Japanese sales... still, I think if the PS3 had enough supply (or if best-buy didn't HORDE them), it could've done much better. Shortage of supply really hurt the initial launch.

 

[AmdInside]

No hate here. I love my PS3, especially since I am into movies. I think each console offers unique features and in that sense, it is best for the consumer. For me, I don't see why buying a console means you have to hate all other consoles. Although the PS3 games are not blowing most people away, I am actually more disappointed in the movie selection for Blu-Ray (and HD-DVD). 2007 will bring several excellent game and movie titles for PS3 so I am looking forward to this year.

 

[fs5]

Originally posted by: AmdInside
No hate here. I love my PS3, especially since I am into movies. I think each console offers unique features and in that sense, it is best for the consumer. For me, I don't see why buying a console means you have to hate all other consoles. Although the PS3 games are not blowing most people away, I am actually more disappointed in the movie selection for Blu-Ray (and HD-DVD). 2007 will bring several excellent game and movie titles for PS3 so I am looking forward to this year.

I agree, I looked through the list of available blu-ray movies I would actually spend money for on amazon. I struggled to come up with 3 that I would seriously want to own. (But then again I rarely re-watch movies.)

I'm just glad that I can rent hd dvds at netflix at no additional cost. :beer:

 

[mlm]

Originally posted by: fs5
I haven't used it personally but from what I hear:
- gamer cards,
- better downloadable game selections
- you can get messages from the network if your friends are online. Like if you're playing madden and then your friend wants to play a game of GoW you can stop your madden game and jump in to GoW with him. that's because XBL is a centralized service... I don't believe the playstation network can do this yet.
- downloadable movies/tv shows

I haven't used Live yet, but...

- Pay cards are supposed to come out eventually. Gift credit cards appear to work for the time being.
- That's more a function of only being out for a month or so. I have seen Xbox fanboys agree that the PS3 prices are better.
- You do get notifications while playing.
- That's a relatively new service, right? There are already trailers up, so it's only a matter of time before Sony movies (at the very least) are available, especially with Remote Play enabled.

 

[loup garou]

Originally posted by: fs5
still, I think if the PS3 had enough supply (or if best-buy didn't HORDE them), it could've done much better. Shortage of supply really hurt the initial launch.

I guess all those people who really, really wanted PS3s at launch have forgotten about them, because they're rotting on the shelves now.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: JACKHAMMER

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: fs5
edit: IGN names it best console of the year. I'm not saying IGN is the end all source but ..
http://bestof.ign.com/2006/gear/1.html

That's just ridiculous. PS2 or Wii should be consoles of the year.

PS2!? Are you kidding? Anyway, I think the DSLite should be the winner here.

"Console", yes...as in something you hook up to your TV "console. Even though it is older the PS2 sold a ton this past year.

DSLite is the clear handheld winner and the clear game platform winner.

 

[fs5]

Originally posted by: loup garou

Originally posted by: fs5
still, I think if the PS3 had enough supply (or if best-buy didn't HORDE them), it could've done much better. Shortage of supply really hurt the initial launch.

I guess all those people who really, really wanted PS3s at launch have forgotten about them, because they're rotting on the shelves now.

depends who you ask. Amazon released a bunch 12/29 and sold out within mins from what I hear.

 

[TanisHalfElven]

Originally posted by: randay

Originally posted by: tanishalfelven

Originally posted by: michaels

Originally posted by: RGUN

Originally posted by: michaels
Gt was my sole reason to own a PS2, then along came Forza, I then sold my PS2. It's sad when a part 1 of a series brings more to the table than a part 4.

Lol, quite possibly the stupidest thing Ive ever read on here. So you're saying Forza shouldnt have learned from its competitors and should have made a game equivalent to the first GT and worked up from there?

I think you are misunderstanding me. Forza is superior to all of the GT's.

indeed. i hate the on rails GT ai. and the 2d physics. and the no damage. how can a sim be a sim if you can bash the card headlong into a wall at 200+ mph and have no damage AT ALL.

2d physics? what exactly are you on about?

cars always stay in the same plane. no matter what you do they never ever get even one wheel off the ground.

 

[randay]

Originally posted by: fs5
I haven't used it personally but from what I hear:
- gamer cards,
- better downloadable game selections
- you can get messages from the network if your friends are online. Like if you're playing madden and then your friend wants to play a game of GoW you can stop your madden game and jump in to GoW with him. that's because XBL is a centralized service... I don't believe the playstation network can do this yet.
- downloadable movies/tv shows

- huh? you mean like prepaid "points" cards? well seeing as how online play is free for the games, I think cards will be of little use at this point in time.

- the PS3 has been out for less then 2 months.

- I haven't tried this out on the PS3 yet, but I believe it is also a centralized service, you have to create an account and your PS3 logs you in automatically when it is turned on. I also don't see a problem with recieving messages in game, since the game OS runs independant of the actual game, much like the PSP. If its not in there yet, it will/could be soon.

- like I said, its only been out for 2 months, there are already movie trailers available for (free) download, its only a matter of time until TV shows or movies are available for purchase.

In fact I can think of something that gives the PS3 network a definite advantage over XBL. The fact that every PS3 comes with a hard drive means that everyone can take advantage of the online store and downloadable content, unlike with the x360.

I still cannot see how XBL is "far, far superior" to the ps3 online network. Why are people saying this?

 

[randay]

Originally posted by: tanishalfelven

Originally posted by: randay

Originally posted by: tanishalfelven

Originally posted by: michaels

Originally posted by: RGUN

Originally posted by: michaels
Gt was my sole reason to own a PS2, then along came Forza, I then sold my PS2. It's sad when a part 1 of a series brings more to the table than a part 4.

Lol, quite possibly the stupidest thing Ive ever read on here. So you're saying Forza shouldnt have learned from its competitors and should have made a game equivalent to the first GT and worked up from there?

I think you are misunderstanding me. Forza is superior to all of the GT's.

indeed. i hate the on rails GT ai. and the 2d physics. and the no damage. how can a sim be a sim if you can bash the card headlong into a wall at 200+ mph and have no damage AT ALL.

2d physics? what exactly are you on about?

cars always stay in the same plane. no matter what you do they never ever get even one wheel off the ground.

Not true(anymore?) I don't perfectly remember all previous versions, but I do remember being able to have the cars wheels leave the track, and I do remember in gt3 there was the escudo bug. In GT HD there is a jump where your car leaves the pavement entirely. Contrary to the rumors early on, GT HD is not just a fancied up version of GT4, the physics have changed(improved?) quite a bit.

Perhaps you are referring to the inability to roll the car, I think that is a licensing issue, same reason why there is no damage. This is changing though, there will be damage in GT5.

 

[fs5]

Originally posted by: randay
I still cannot see how XBL is "far, far superior" to the ps3 online network. Why are people saying this?

you said it yourself twice, it's been out for less than 2 months. And right now, at this point, XBL is much better.

The gamer cards I'm talking about these
http://www.xbox.com/en-US/myxbox/mygamercard.htm

It tracks your achievements online from ALL your games in one place. From what I've seen on the PSN, it doesn't have anything like this just yet. Having this makes XBL feel like a live place where you're playing with a bunch of people.

The PSN doesn't even feel like a network at this point. All it is, is a store and each game separately connects.

 

[fs5]

Originally posted by: tanishalfelven
cars always stay in the same plane. no matter what you do they never ever get even one wheel off the ground.

that's false, I've gotten 3 wheel action on GT4.