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[jonnio]

Originally posted by: Idontcare

B3 to G0 is not a process change but a layout change. Thus there is no "B3's performance trending towards G3's performance" phenomenon here. You either have the old layout (stepping, reticle, etc) or the new one, no in-betweens.

That's kind of strange. I was thinking the same think as RussianSensation since I have a B0 stepping that is literally a couple hundred chips earlier in the same exact batch as the first run of G0s. I would think if they are going to change a layout it would not be in the same batch.

 

[Noubourne]

Originally posted by: aigomorla
guys, honestly, i dont think the G0's are truely worth it.

Why? because whats the difference between a 3.3ghz B3 vs a 3.3ghz G0. The heat output isnt significantly better, nor do you see any difference in performance.

Now, i know ive been going hail mary's about the G0, but i think my ES and all other ES's of G0's running around are just cherry picked. I have yet to see a retail G0 pull 3.6 @ acceptable temps while running bionic for long periods of time.


Now if you get a ES G0, like what i have, thats definitely a different story.

Indeed. Yet again, let everyone rest assured that whatever you do or get, yours is not as good as aigomorla's gear. If it does perform as well, then surely it will not be done using a range of measurement that aigomorla considers "acceptable".

So just give up guys. You can't buy anything as good as what aigormorla has unless you actually work in the engineering department of Intel.

Oh, and has aigomorla mentioned that he has an ES chip?

FYI, my G0 came from NCIXUS. Hefty shipping cost, but you can see right on the receipt they send you what stepping you're getting, because they scan the box.

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: jonnio

Originally posted by: Idontcare

B3 to G0 is not a process change but a layout change. Thus there is no "B3's performance trending towards G3's performance" phenomenon here. You either have the old layout (stepping, reticle, etc) or the new one, no in-betweens.

That's kind of strange. I was thinking the same think as RussianSensation since I have a B0 stepping that is literally a couple hundred chips earlier in the same exact batch as the first run of G0s. I would think if they are going to change a layout it would not be in the same batch.

It's not strange, that is how the entire $300B+ semiconductor industry operates.

It is also not uncommon to run so-called "splits" within a production batch of Si (split a 24-wafer lot, 12 on one critical mask and 12 on another) and if all the the wafers come out good then they sell all the chips. These are called "qual runs" and depending on the company you can have as many as 50 "batches" of qual runs before the the entire production line is considered good-to-go for full conversion to the new reticle(s).

Happens ALL the time.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: SteelSix

Originally posted by: bryanW1995
I get most of my stuff from CA and a very little bit from TN. I don't think I've ever gotten anything from NJ.

I'm in GA and I've gotten things from all three whse's. Every LCD I've bought came from CA, and cpu's/vid cards come from TN. If G0 were assured, I'd pull the trigger.

The other issue is newegg is $30 higher than competitors right now.

Im willing to pay a few bucks for newegg service, but now we are talking 10% more.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: Noubourne

Originally posted by: aigomorla
guys, honestly, i dont think the G0's are truely worth it.

Why? because whats the difference between a 3.3ghz B3 vs a 3.3ghz G0. The heat output isnt significantly better, nor do you see any difference in performance.

Now, i know ive been going hail mary's about the G0, but i think my ES and all other ES's of G0's running around are just cherry picked. I have yet to see a retail G0 pull 3.6 @ acceptable temps while running bionic for long periods of time.


Now if you get a ES G0, like what i have, thats definitely a different story.

Indeed. Yet again, let everyone rest assured that whatever you do or get, yours is not as good as aigomorla's gear. If it does perform as well, then surely it will not be done using a range of measurement that aigomorla considers "acceptable".

So just give up guys. You can't buy anything as good as what aigormorla has unless you actually work in the engineering department of Intel.

Oh, and has aigomorla mentioned that he has an ES chip?

FYI, my G0 came from NCIXUS. Hefty shipping cost, but you can see right on the receipt they send you what stepping you're getting, because they scan the box.

Cut him some slack, the only reason he brought it up the way he did is there was discussion in another thread about it. No big deal, i like aigo :thumbsup:

 

[Roy2001]

Originally posted by: RussianSensation
Question: When Intel produces B3 (105W) in the month of June/July and the yields are good and the process has been refined, do they one day (i.e. July 14th) suddently start pumping out 95W processors?

They will study the bad chip, study the critical path timing, modify the layout a little bit, metal layer only. They might adjust their layout rules a little bit. Then then redo the mask.

Of course, they can improve their processing, not the layout from designer.

 

[Diogenes2]

Originally posted by: aigomorla
I have yet to see a retail G0 pull 3.6 @ acceptable temps while running bionic for long periods of time.


.............

[rant] What is all this about acceptable temps ? WTF is ' bionic " ?
Is anyone getting paid to run ' bionic ' ?

If it is stable at 3.6, and below Tcase spec, it's acceptable, because it's working...

When it gets too hot ( unacceptable ) it will shut down .. [/rant off ]

Meanwhile, just picked up my G0 from NCIX at the post office. I will report good or bad in a day or two ..

 

[RussianSensation]

Thanks for the clarification on the B3 vs. G0 process. I ordered from NCIXUS. Should be here by the weekend. I still think B3 vs. G0 at this point is luck of the draw but a 1 in 2 chance is still better than none .

 

[swtethan]

Originally posted by: RussianSensation
Thanks for the clarification on the B3 vs. G0 process. I ordered from NCIXUS. Should be here by the weekend. I still think B3 vs. G0 at this point is luck of the draw but a 1 in 2 chance is still better than none .

you wont have to chance if you preordered, 1000000% guarantee

 

[Noubourne]

Originally posted by: swtethan

Originally posted by: RussianSensation
Thanks for the clarification on the B3 vs. G0 process. I ordered from NCIXUS. Should be here by the weekend. I still think B3 vs. G0 at this point is luck of the draw but a 1 in 2 chance is still better than none .

you wont have to chance if you preordered, 1000000% guarantee

I don't know if you paid extra for that guarantee, but if you did, you got ripped off by several orders of magnitude.

 

[swtethan]

Originally posted by: Noubourne

Originally posted by: swtethan

Originally posted by: RussianSensation
Thanks for the clarification on the B3 vs. G0 process. I ordered from NCIXUS. Should be here by the weekend. I still think B3 vs. G0 at this point is luck of the draw but a 1 in 2 chance is still better than none .

you wont have to chance if you preordered, 1000000% guarantee

I don't know if you paid extra for that guarantee, but if you did, you got ripped off by several orders of magnitude.

lets see you try to find a Q6600 guaranteed G0 for $286 free shipping.

 

[tHa ShIzNiT]

Where is this magical deal you speak of?

 

[swtethan]

Originally posted by: tHa ShIzNiT
Where is this magical deal you speak of?

That was a week ago, I think its back to $305 now, but free ship is still on. (clubit.com give them a call) tell them you want to preorder a G0 q6600, they begin shipping end of this month, first week of next month.

 

[ryema22]

Originally posted by: Noubourne
I don't know if you paid extra for that guarantee, but if you did, you got ripped off by several orders of magnitude.

Agreed. I'm not sure why someone would be excited to pay extra for a "guarunteed" G0 that won't even ship for another week or two when other people are already getting them in hand at similar prices...

For those concerned about steppings, NCIX is shipping nothing but G0's for around 300 (shipped)

 

[Hauk]

Originally posted by: ryema22

Originally posted by: Noubourne
I don't know if you paid extra for that guarantee, but if you did, you got ripped off by several orders of magnitude.

For those concerned about steppings, NCIX is shipping nothing but G0's for around 300 (shipped)

I wish that were accurate. I'd be ordering. I talked to NCIX tech support again today... he confirmed they have both G0 and B3 shipping. Crap shoot he admitted at this point. Guanteed pre-ordering is the only sure way until B3's are gone gone gone. They were in manufacture until end of June.

 

[bryanW1995]

Originally posted by: Noubourne

Originally posted by: aigomorla
guys, honestly, i dont think the G0's are truely worth it.

Why? because whats the difference between a 3.3ghz B3 vs a 3.3ghz G0. The heat output isnt significantly better, nor do you see any difference in performance.

Now, i know ive been going hail mary's about the G0, but i think my ES and all other ES's of G0's running around are just cherry picked. I have yet to see a retail G0 pull 3.6 @ acceptable temps while running bionic for long periods of time.


Now if you get a ES G0, like what i have, thats definitely a different story.

Indeed. Yet again, let everyone rest assured that whatever you do or get, yours is not as good as aigomorla's gear. If it does perform as well, then surely it will not be done using a range of measurement that aigomorla considers "acceptable".

So just give up guys. You can't buy anything as good as what aigormorla has unless you actually work in the engineering department of Intel.

Oh, and has aigomorla mentioned that he has an ES chip?

FYI, my G0 came from NCIXUS. Hefty shipping cost, but you can see right on the receipt they send you what stepping you're getting, because they scan the box.

I think that aigomorla is right. I was all pumped to get an e6750 and now I'm struggling to remain above 3.5 on the rig in my sig. I downloaded a beta bios at 2am this morning, however, so I'm cautiously optimistic that it will help.

 

[RussianSensation]

Originally posted by: Noubourne

Originally posted by: swtethan

Originally posted by: RussianSensation
Thanks for the clarification on the B3 vs. G0 process. I ordered from NCIXUS. Should be here by the weekend. I still think B3 vs. G0 at this point is luck of the draw but a 1 in 2 chance is still better than none .

you wont have to chance if you preordered, 1000000% guarantee

I don't know if you paid extra for that guarantee, but if you did, you got ripped off by several orders of magnitude.

I ordered at $290.25 for the cpu and it was $9.99 for shipping. It wasn't a pre-order. I placed the order for the cpu in advance on July 26th because a friend is going to bring the parts to me from US this week and I didn't want to risk getting backordered on the CPU. Today I ordered the rest of my system parts. B3 vs. G0 might be very important but I am happy enough as I upgraded every single part of my computer for $200US as follows:

E6400 with Big Typhoon -> Q6600 with Tuniq Tower
P965 DS3 -> P35 DS3L
2GB Corsair 5400 -> OCZ PLat Rev 2. DDR2 800
OCZ PowerStream 420 -> Modular Corsair 520
6600 non-GT -> 8800GTS 320mb
320gb drive -> 400gb drive
Aspire case -> Thermaltake Soprano with 2x120mm fans.

Considering here in Canada a single 8800GTS 320mb hovers in the $320+ range before taxes, I'd say I did OK

 

[sxr7171]

Originally posted by: swtethan

Originally posted by: Noubourne

Originally posted by: swtethan

Originally posted by: RussianSensation
Thanks for the clarification on the B3 vs. G0 process. I ordered from NCIXUS. Should be here by the weekend. I still think B3 vs. G0 at this point is luck of the draw but a 1 in 2 chance is still better than none .

you wont have to chance if you preordered, 1000000% guarantee

I don't know if you paid extra for that guarantee, but if you did, you got ripped off by several orders of magnitude.

lets see you try to find a Q6600 guaranteed G0 for $286 free shipping.

It was a joke. Read it again.

 

[lopri]

Originally posted by: adairusmc
I am liking my B3 just fine thanks, I will pass on the G0.

Same here. It's weird because I used to get pissed off if I get a poorly clocking dual-cores. For whatever reason I don't get too greedy with quad overclocking.

 

[Acanthus]

Pulled the trigger @ newegg, ill report back with what i get on wednesday or thursday when it arrives.

Q6600 and 4x1GB Super Talent DDR2-800 on the way

 

[Noubourne]

Originally posted by: swtethan

Originally posted by: Noubourne

Originally posted by: swtethan

Originally posted by: RussianSensation
Thanks for the clarification on the B3 vs. G0 process. I ordered from NCIXUS. Should be here by the weekend. I still think B3 vs. G0 at this point is luck of the draw but a 1 in 2 chance is still better than none .

you wont have to chance if you preordered, 1000000% guarantee

I don't know if you paid extra for that guarantee, but if you did, you got ripped off by several orders of magnitude.

lets see you try to find a Q6600 guaranteed G0 for $286 free shipping.

Yeah I was just kidding with that. Because you can't have more than 100% probability, so the extra 1000% was wasted.

Geek humor hehe. ehhe. errrr.

 

[RussianSensation]

:laugh: It's funny to see swtethan say a quad is a crap chip if it only overclocks to 3.2-3.4ghz because it's not G0, when 1 year ago when C2D was introduced we were paying almost the same price for dual core E6400 @ 3.2-3.4ghz. At the end of the day most people upgrading to quad core are upgrading for the 2 extra cores, not for the "extra" 200-300 overclock of G0. If all they cared about was speed, they'd just get E6850 and clock that to 3.9-4.0ghz. But I don't see how anyone can be unhappy about getting 2 extra cores for little premium in just 12 months.

 

[Acanthus]

Q6600 shipped from NJ warehouse.

Ram from TN

Should have them both soon, ill report back.

 

[Spumpkin]

Question, after looking at Intels Spec http://processorfinder.intel.c...ails.aspx?sSpec=SLACR#
for the SLACR, it lists the Thermal Specification as 71C, yet the b3 is listed as 62.2C (you can view the b3 by changing the SLACR# in the address above to SL9UM#)..

it lists the thermal specification as being:
Thermal Specification: The thermal specification shown is the maximum case temperature at the maximum Thermal Design Power (TDP) value for that processor. It is measured at the geometric center on the topside of the processor integrated heat spreader. For processors without integrated heat spreaders such as mobile processors, the thermal specification is referred to as the junction temperature (Tj). The maximum junction temperature is defined by an activation of the processor Intel® Thermal Monitor. The Intel Thermal Monitor?s automatic mode is used to indicate that the maximum TJ has been reached.


Doesnt that mean that the thermal specification is the hottest the processer can get when its at its maximum thermal design power, (in the case of G0 95W)?? and if so, how come the b3 only gets 62.2C at 105W?

 

[SuperSix]

Originally posted by: swtethan
You can either preorder from tankguys, or clubit (by phone). I heard tankguys are recieving a shipment on the 6th that are a lot more than how many preorders they have. Clubit should have theirs by end of this month/early next month. I ordered mine from clubit.

I *hear* they will have them tomorrow