Dell 2001FP (20.1 LCD) - $769.20 shipped

[EektheCat]

Originally posted by: airjrdn

Originally posted by: Imyourzero

Originally posted by: EektheCat

Originally posted by: airjrdn

Originally posted by: EektheCat

Originally posted by: CyrusT

If you're one of the 2%, wait a little longer for the 12ms and 10ms ones coming down the pike.

How long a wait is that?

Just a little bit less than the wait for the 6 and 8ms LCD's. There will always be people who claim that they can see a HUGE difference, when in reality, it's barely noticable.

And there's always going to be people who can't see a monitor refresh at 60hz telling others it's in their head.

If you don't see it, great, no need to insinuate anything.

Not saying it isn't there, or anybody's imagining it, but a lot of people might be missing out on what is quite possibly the best LCD on the market for a great price because people feel the need to sound off about their superior visual accuity. (and yes, I'm one of those people who are terribly sensitive to low refresh rates, but do not have the same problem with 'ghosting', perhaps it's because I've always sought LCDs with good response times)

For 99% of people out there, they can hardly tell the difference, and the way many people describe it, it sounds like the screen is just *smeared* with ghosting, which is so far from the case.

Amen. I couldn't have said it better myself. One person mentions slight ghosting in UT2K4 and next thing you know, no one wants this panel. Personally, I haven't seen ANY ghosting. People make it seem like the trails they are seeing are so bad, it makes the game unplayable. Uh, OK.

If people want to buy the ultimate gaming LCD, by all means let them search high and low and spend the extra several hundred bucks on a panel that better meets their superlative standards. But I'm pretty confident that the 2001FP is the best LCD you can get for the money, and neither my eyes or my wallet are complaining one bit.

My original post stated something you two are both missing the point on. If you play with the default (or close to default) mouse sensitivity settings, it's not very noticeable. If you use highly adjusted settings it's BAD. I'm not saying barely noticeable, I'm saying BAD. Opponents can't be picked out from the levels if you simply move the mouse to look around. This is NOT, I repeat NOT specific to this LCD. I purchased a 17" LG 16ms LCD from BestBuy to see if it was an issue w/this panel. The 17" LG exhibited the exact same behaviour, just to a lesser extent based on physical size. I even recorded a small video if the issue and posted it on Dell's forums. The video made it hard to see the blurryness, but even other forum users there were able to see it.

I'm not trying to stop the majority of people from purchasing the LCD. As I stated before, it's perfect for 98% of the population and has a beautiful picture to go with the excellent price. I'm trying to notify other hardcore gamers of the situation before they have to drop the 800 bucks on it and pay themselves to have it shipped back. I'm out the return shipping because I wasn't aware of this.

Bottom line, I see it, you don't. I was trying to help other users make an informed decision. I'll be sure not to do that again.

The thing is, I consider myself quite an avid gamer, and yes, I do play UT2k4, with settings outside of the default. I'm not trying to argue just for the sake of arguing here, but I had zero problems. Perhaps if it were like the CRT low-refresh flicker sort of thing, I could chalk it up to your eyes being better or more sensitive than mine, but that's not the case here. I can regularly whip my view around and pick out opponents from the background from a great distance (hitting them is another problem specific to me... though I'd like to blame my oddly shaped mx700). Anyhow, I wonder if the different-lcd same model theory applies here. (However, I have to say that I also had no problems with my older 19" lcd, whose response time was at best equal to the 2001fp). It's hard for me to read so many posts criticizing gameplay on this monitor because of both personal experience and reviews that say quite the opposite.

 

[330Pilot]

The problem...

We've got one guy comparing the 2001FP to a 21" CRT,
We've got one guy comparing the 2001FP to a 17" LCD,
We've got one guy comparing the 2001FP to a television set,
We've got one guy comparing the 2001FP to 6-10ms LCD panels.

The point is this. Of the 20+", even 19+" LCD panels, this is the most competitive panel, especially for the price. No review claims this panel is better than a CRT, or some of the 17" LCD's, or plays movies better than television set, or is superior to 6-10ms future LCD panels. The reviews are looking at the panel TODAY and making their decision based on the competition in the 20"+ category.

We all knew forever that LCD panels were no good for fast action paced games. This has been said over and over and over, about 1X10^10^10^10 times. I am shocked that people here are willing to ignore all the warning, order an LCD panel and then regret it.

If you are a hardcore gamer, than you should know better then get this panel. Especially when just about EVERY LCD review will admit that CRT's are better for gaming and some imaging applications. Now for the rest of us that use our LCD panels for business applications, surfing the web, playing slower games, education, this panel is amazing in what it has to offer for the price.

We need to compare this panel to comparable panels. People reading our thread should be already decided on an LCD panel and just want to know if this it the best 20"+ LCD panel out there or not. They should already come here knowing that LCD's are not comparable to CRT's for gaming.

In conclusion, this panel sucks for hardcore games, which in my opinion should be well aware that all LCD's at this point suck for hardcore gamers. For ALL other users, this panel is an amazing purchase.

 

[airjrdn]

330Pilot - Actually Maximum PC rated it as good for gaming. That + online reviews + 16ms response time convinced me to try it out.

"We've got one guy comparing the 2001FP to 6-10ms LCD panels."

If you are referring to me, you are referring incorrectly. I didn't compare the 2001FP to anything whatsoever. I've not seen a 6-10ms LCD, so there's no possible way I could compare it to one.



EektheCat - If you'd like me to send you my 2 UT2K4 .ini files so you can check it out I'd be happy to, just let me know.

 

[pcmodem]

Damn...

If I didn't have to blow so much money furnishing my new apartment, I'd buy one of these now.



Cheers, :beer:
PCM

 

[konakona]

Poor movie play (I played Matrix, it's quite disappointing, noticable flickering in solid color areas even from a distance, colors not good either)

damn thats a MAJOR turn off. thanks for heads up, i am back to the CRT wagon. these things are too rich for my blood anyway...

 

[EektheCat]

Originally posted by: VanillaH

Poor movie play (I played Matrix, it's quite disappointing, noticable flickering in solid color areas even from a distance, colors not good either)

damn thats a MAJOR turn off. thanks for heads up, i am back to the CRT wagon. these things are too rich for my blood anyway...

LOL, if anything, Matrix is the last movie that should be used for judging color, given the intentional green tint the directors used, to say nothing of the lack of color-variety (green, black, white ad nauseum). Perhaps the colors *were* being reproduced correctly, and as for flicker... dunno what's causing that.

I'm surprised so many people have issues with their monitors... oh well, to each their own. I still say they're missing out (and it's not like I work for Dell)

 

[welst10]

Originally posted by: EektheCat

Originally posted by: VanillaH

Poor movie play (I played Matrix, it's quite disappointing, noticable flickering in solid color areas even from a distance, colors not good either)

damn thats a MAJOR turn off. thanks for heads up, i am back to the CRT wagon. these things are too rich for my blood anyway...

LOL, if anything, Matrix is the last movie that should be used for judging color, given the intentional green tint the directors used, to say nothing of the lack of color-variety (green, black, white ad nauseum). Perhaps the colors *were* being reproduced correctly, and as for flicker... dunno what's causing that.

I'm surprised so many people have issues with their monitors... oh well, to each their own. I still say they're missing out (and it's not like I work for Dell)

I played other movies (Black hawk down) as well. Many of the issues are rather subjective. For me there are 3 turnoffs (movie play, so called screening door effect, and small text size at 16x12). So I returned it. Nevertheless, check out the review
here. It's a review of a Philips model which uses the same panel as the DELL. Dont take others' opinions for it. Trust your own eyes. I read many reviews but still ordered it because I wanted to see it with my own eyes. Anyway, I ordered a Acer with a Hydis planel, which is best rated by tomshardware for gaming.

 

[Drango]

OK I broke down, mortgaged the house and ordered one of these puppies. It arrived yesterday but I'm on travel and haven't set it up. Who cares what the refresh rate is or if it ghosts a little? In the game of my rig is cooler than yours, I've got the trump card and every other rig is a prenteder to the throne.

 

[Busithoth]

OK, got mine today.
I started to get worried while reading some complaint posts about this thing, but I have to say, looking at it in all sorts of functions, that I love it. I might be lucky in that there's no dead pix, but have to say this thing is very nice in FPS. Granted, it's subjective, but it has a really beautiful picture.

Movies look really good to me, and the screen door effect (which I see on my X1 projector) only stands out for me when my head is 4 inches in front of it.

I played FarCry at 1200x1600 and it seemed fine (though I don't like playing at that resolution, even on my CRT)
Movies look pretty goddamn good so far as well.

The sun is setting, so I'll be able to make another comparison in the dark, but I have a great feeling about this.

Woot!

 

[jck8r]

. . .and an even better feeling once you double click some of those div-x .avi's in the ol' "Quiet Time" folder

 

[SlingXShot]

Well I have purchased this monitor for 100 dollars more because the 20% offer ends tommorow anyway. They taxed me about 60$ so it came out to 860. I am not sure if its worth 860$, but it looks like it is my long and large investment into my computer for at least the next 3+ years. I am tired of 19 inch Philips which is bulky and heavy.

I looked for a gaming LCD for years and everyone complained, second when I upgrade my monitor i always get the bigger size. First I had 15 inch, then 17, then 19 now 20inch viewable. This seems to the best offer for an LCD i saw ever. With .255 dot pitch and 16ms, it should satisfy me I hope.

 

[jck8r]

Say, does anyone know a good resolution to run this monitor at for games? Obviously most of us are not running video games at 1600 x 1200 (The native resolution of this lcd) and I was wondering if there were any other "Optimal" resolutions not listed in the factory specifications. Also, I tried using this monitor on 1600 x 1200 with my geforce 3 but it only let me use 16 bit color rather than 32 bit - also, when I try and go into display->properties->advanced, the entire screen goes black NO MATTER which resolution I use! What gives?? :/ Thx

 

[SilverRyu]

sale's over...dammit. any idea when it will return?

 

[VooDooAddict]

Right now I'm using a Tri - 17" 16ms LCD setup.

I fell into the more screens not just one big screen trap a few years ago and can't turn back.


Anyway on the ghosting.

V-Sync

If I don't have V-Sync on ... then I notice ghosting. DVI + Vsync and I don't notice any ghosting. I'm not sure if this is accurate ... but I've done a few tests and VGA or Vsync off and i can notice some ghosting. Again DVI + Vsync on can't see any.

I'm guessing it has to do with the frame rates fluctuating with vsync off. With Vsync on things are much more regular.

Interested in what others think about LCD's and V-sync. Probably the wrong spot to post it .. but hey what the heck i can blame it on being new to the forum.

 

[purbeast0]

Yea when is this deal comin back?

 

[airjrdn]

When I had it, I had to run w/vsync on or I'd experience tearing. It had no effect on blurring (similar to ghosting) though.

 

[jck8r]

Originally posted by: airjrdn
When I had it, I had to run w/vsync on or I'd experience tearing. It had no effect on blurring (similar to ghosting) though.

How do you turn vsync on or off? Can someone please help me?

 

[airjrdn]

VSync will often be an option from within a game. In games that utilize the unreal engine it's in the UT200x.ini file I believe. For other games, you'll need to do some Googling.

 

[kindest]

i own this monitor and play ut2k4 constantly and am really impressed.
i used to play on a sony crt 19 inch g420.. and i see no difference
or im used to the lcd now.