Dell 2405FPW now $724 after 2 coupons and free shipping

[NSA Lummox]

Dell Business has the 2405FPW for:
$799 - 5% off $500 coupon - $35 ebay obtainable coupon = $724

I haven't tested this out yet, I know it's $759 with the 5% but I don't know if the $35 is definetly stackable or not but it probably is.

Check on your favorite site for teh coupons

The 5% coupon expires on 3/22 or after 1000 uses by the way.

 

[Ctrackstar126]

What real real estate do you get from this that you dont from a 20ws. I was looking in the apple store of the 20 and 23 and really didnt notice all that much more real estate. Anyone who has used both a 20 and the 24 can vouche for a dramatic increase. Also is the resolution difference that noticeable.
I know the debate is on going but im looking for an opinion from someone who has had both not someone who had a 24 and a 17crt before that.

 

[imported_Crusader]

Originally posted by: Ctrackstar126
What real real estate do you get from this that you dont from a 20ws. I was looking in the apple store of the 20 and 23 and really didnt notice all that much more real estate. Anyone who has used both a 20 and the 24 can vouche for a dramatic increase. Also is the resolution difference that noticeable.
I know the debate is on going but im looking for an opinion from someone who has had both not someone who had a 24 and a 17crt before that.

wtf

 

[TheGizmo]

Originally posted by: Ctrackstar126
What real real estate do you get from this that you dont from a 20ws. I was looking in the apple store of the 20 and 23 and really didnt notice all that much more real estate. Anyone who has used both a 20 and the 24 can vouche for a dramatic increase. Also is the resolution difference that noticeable.
I know the debate is on going but im looking for an opinion from someone who has had both not someone who had a 24 and a 17crt before that.

24 inch has true 1080p resolution might be worth the money just for the resolution... but i think you'll notice the extra 4 inches a little bit.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: Ctrackstar126
What real real estate do you get from this that you dont from a 20ws. I was looking in the apple store of the 20 and 23 and really didnt notice all that much more real estate. Anyone who has used both a 20 and the 24 can vouche for a dramatic increase. Also is the resolution difference that noticeable.
I know the debate is on going but im looking for an opinion from someone who has had both not someone who had a 24 and a 17crt before that.

Are you kidding? There's a *HUGE* difference. Look at them side-by-side. If you can't do that then make cardboard cutouts of their dimensions and compare them. It's night and day. It's pretty much like comparing a 50" TV to a 60" TV.

 

[Jules]

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: Ctrackstar126
What real real estate do you get from this that you dont from a 20ws. I was looking in the apple store of the 20 and 23 and really didnt notice all that much more real estate. Anyone who has used both a 20 and the 24 can vouche for a dramatic increase. Also is the resolution difference that noticeable.
I know the debate is on going but im looking for an opinion from someone who has had both not someone who had a 24 and a 17crt before that.

Are you kidding? There's a *HUGE* difference. Look at them side-by-side. If you can't do that then make cardboard cutouts of their dimensions and compare them. It's night and day. It's pretty much like comparing a 50" TV to a 60" TV.

Nope. thats a 10 inch difference. 2005fpw and 2405fpw is a 4 inch difference.
Ill stick to my 2005fpw panel.

 

[jaybee77]

I have had both, about 18 months ago, I purchased the 20" version and it rocked. A few months later, there was a price break on the 24" and I jumped on it. Glad I did. It is amazing, and YES you can see a huge difference in size.

Just please, nobody.. noone better find a deal on the 30" or you're gonna break me.

 

[NSA Lummox]

I'm glad to see everyone is flaunting their awesome math skills here

My justification is this:
It's one of the only monitors that size to sport those features. When you get into the 1080p range of things, you're usually looking at much larger sets. Generally people want something that will still fit on their desk. A 24" CRT would be roughly two feet deep and probably 120lbs. A lot of the ~30" LCD's you see (Viewsonic and a few others) are 720p and in the $800 range.

A lot of people probably have 19" monitors already, and spending $400 or so for a 1inch gain (albeit resolution gains and other gains as well) is something they can't justify. However, a 25% gain in screen space is something they can justify, not to mention 1080p, a bunch of inputs (composite, svideo, component, vga and dvi I think are all supported) along with a 1000:1 contrast ratio and a 12ms response time? The answer is, there's simply NOTHING else on the market that compares to this in terms of overall size and features for price.

 

[Ctrackstar126]

Thanks for the response guys....Crusader how about finding a different topic if you arent going to contribute.

 

[CKDragon]

Originally posted by: MyStupidMouth

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: Ctrackstar126
What real real estate do you get from this that you dont from a 20ws. I was looking in the apple store of the 20 and 23 and really didnt notice all that much more real estate. Anyone who has used both a 20 and the 24 can vouche for a dramatic increase. Also is the resolution difference that noticeable.
I know the debate is on going but im looking for an opinion from someone who has had both not someone who had a 24 and a 17crt before that.

Are you kidding? There's a *HUGE* difference. Look at them side-by-side. If you can't do that then make cardboard cutouts of their dimensions and compare them. It's night and day. It's pretty much like comparing a 50" TV to a 60" TV.

Nope. thats a 10 inch difference. 2005fpw and 2405fpw is a 4 inch difference.
Ill stick to my 2005fpw panel.

20" -> 24" = 1.2x increase
50" -> 60" = 1.2x increase

It's the same percentage increase in each case. And considering you sit 2 feet away from the 4" increase and much further (10-15 feet) for the TV's 10" increase, the comparison isn't as invalid as your dismissive remark would have the lazy people think.

CK

 

[Viper GTS]

http://www.tvcalculator.com/

Still a work in progress but it will allow you to see the size difference.

A 24" 16:10 display has 44% more real estate than a 20" 16:10.

Viper GTS

 

[blurredvision]

Wow, who called for the math nerds? This second poster can be answered as simply as this: yes, you can tell a difference between the 20" and 24" Dell LCD's. Is it worth it? Depends on what you do. I'd love to have the higher resolution for when I'm messing around with VirtualPC or tinkering within Dreamweaver or Premier Pro. Oh what I could do with all that space!!

 

[msnbcnnbcbs]

hiya folks

I think this picture might be what some are looking for to compare the two
20 vs 24


Just a question on this monitor: I can use this monitor as a TV, can it be as simple as plugging in an antenna to the back of it?

 

[mdoak]

ver can i find such a coupon? de 5% off one?>

 

[NSA Lummox]

bens bargains dot net

and no you can't use it as a tv by plugging in an antenna. you have to have an external tuner. if you had a vcr sitting around (or bought one, what are they, $40?) you could tune the vcr and then run the svideo or composite outputs to the monitor.

 

[Ctrackstar126]

Originally posted by: msnbcnnbcbs
hiya folks

I think this picture might be what some are looking for to compare the two
20 vs 24


Just a question on this monitor: I can use this monitor as a TV, can it be as simple as plugging in an antenna to the back of it?

Welcome to the boards msn Good link. Also nice calc Viper

 

[jmunjr]

Originally posted by: Ctrackstar126
Thanks for the response guys....Crusader how about finding a different topic if you arent going to contribute.

Uh yeah you too... I guess me too now as well..

 

[Fallen Kell]

Originally posted by: NSA Lummox
I'm glad to see everyone is flaunting their awesome math skills here

My justification is this:
It's one of the only monitors that size to sport those features. When you get into the 1080p range of things, you're usually looking at much larger sets. Generally people want something that will still fit on their desk. A 24" CRT would be roughly two feet deep and probably 120lbs. A lot of the ~30" LCD's you see (Viewsonic and a few others) are 720p and in the $800 range.

A lot of people probably have 19" monitors already, and spending $400 or so for a 1inch gain (albeit resolution gains and other gains as well) is something they can't justify. However, a 25% gain in screen space is something they can justify, not to mention 1080p, a bunch of inputs (composite, svideo, component, vga and dvi I think are all supported) along with a 1000:1 contrast ratio and a 12ms response time? The answer is, there's simply NOTHING else on the market that compares to this in terms of overall size and features for price.

The only problem here though is the fact that everyone who buys one will get screwed out of support for MS Vista multimedia support. Our wonderful "friends" in Hollywood from the "all computer users are pirates" department have worked with MS to make sure that both your video card AND monitor need to support HDCP or you won't be able to watch video content at higher resolutions then 480x320... There are only 10 monitors being made that support HDCP as I write this (at least that I know of), so I won't go spending this kind of money on a monitor, at least until we force the HDCP genie back into its bottle and shove it back up into the ***s of those who thought of it in the first place....

 

[Ctrackstar126]

The only problem here though is the fact that everyone who buys one will get screwed out of support for MS Vista multimedia support. Our wonderful "friends" in Hollywood from the "all computer users are pirates" department have worked with MS to make sure that both your video card AND monitor need to support HDCP or you won't be able to watch video content at higher resolutions then 480x320... There are only 10 monitors being made that support HDCP as I write this (at least that I know of), so I won't go spending this kind of money on a monitor, at least until we force the HDCP genie back into its bottle and shove it back up into the ***s of those who thought of it in the first place....[/quote]

See the thing is maybe people wouldn't pirate the movies if they were any good. I just wish someone was like how can I make this movie the best instead of thinking how can i spend the less money to make people come and see this.
Hollywood doesn't care about making a movie they just care about how much that movie brings in.
Look at the low budget films this year. They werent created on making money they were created to make a point or to make a good movie.
I do agree about the bottle though

 

[Odeen]

As far as the screen real estate goes:
2005FPW: 1680x1050 = 1,764,000 total pixels, .258mm dot pitch
2405FPW: 1920x1200 = 2,304,000 total pixels, .269mm dot pitch

So, the 2405 has both more screen real estate (31% more pixels) and a slightly higher dot pitch, which makes text a little bigger and easier to read. Also, it can display 1080P HD programming without scaling, just small black bars on top and bottom (an artifact of HD being 16:9, while PC monitors are 16:10, slightly "taller" per unit of width).

 

[NSA Lummox]

just out of curiosity, where did you get 480x320??? It was my understanding that it was no larger than 720x480

in either case, this is an argument that will see no end. here's the two faced answer:

it's the publics fault for pirating stuff
it's the corporations fault for charging too much

unfortunately though, the corporations are going to win when we have to buy new monitors, tvs, etc when all this bulls@#$t is forced upon the public.

remember kids, when it comes to protection, it's a lot more escalated when there's stocks involved and the 3% of the country that hordes, i mean controls, the nations wealth may *gasp* be getting what they've sown from their seeds of greed. just stupid consequences from money grubbing losers, and the public loses.

 

[NSA Lummox]

Originally posted by: Odeen
As far as the screen real estate goes:
2005FPW: 1680x1050 = 1,764,000 total pixels, .258mm dot pitch
2405FPW: 1920x1200 = 2,304,000 total pixels, .269mm dot pitch

So, the 2405 has both more screen real estate (31% more pixels) and a slightly higher dot pitch, which makes text a little bigger and easier to read. Also, it can display 1080P HD programming without scaling, just small black bars on top and bottom (an artifact of HD being 16:9, while PC monitors are 16:10, slightly "taller" per unit of width).

a larger dot pitch is worse my friend

dot pitch = distance between dots = clarity/sharpness of image.

you want the distance between the dots to be as small as possible. both those figures are good for lcd's though.

 

[Ctrackstar126]

Well another thing I know I read in another post is someone pointed out that pirating is done by the majority of kids. As you grow older your less likely with a job. Granted some adults do pirate but the majority of pirating comes from kids that arent going to buy your movies anyways unless they get it as a gift.
So yea statistics show a high percentage but if you consider the demographic this will drop a lot.
Tbut back on topic the question is what is the price point for an HDCP capable monitor. We are talking a little upwards of 700 for this monitor. What HDCP monitor comes close to the specs of this?
what other benifits will vista give us. If your a big movie watcher whats the problem with keeping XP on your system and watching them through there. and having vista on there to support DX10(I dont remeber if DX10 will be on xp but i remeber not seeing it.)
I think its all bs what they are doing and i guess im sorry for them losing a small percentage of there gross profit.
Just like every other company that drops employees so that the stock holders are happy. No one cares about the majority of the people and consumers take it in the A%& and just say ok. If you are upset about something dont buy into there stuff. People are lazy and dont stand up for themselves and thats why companies will constantly screw us over.

 

[Odeen]

Originally posted by: NSA Lummox
a larger dot pitch is worse my friend

dot pitch = distance between dots = clarity/sharpness of image.

you want the distance between the dots to be as small as possible. both those figures are good for lcd's though.

Not quite. On a CRT, dot pitch determines the maximum resolution a screen can display sharply. Increase the resolution beyond the screen dot pitch limits, and the electron gun simply won't be able to hit the pixels accurately and you're blurring pixels together (the blurring occurs in the analog domain). A high-end 19" CRT has a tighter dot pitch than a lower-end 19" CRT.

LCD is what's called a "fixed pixel" display. Every pixel is sharply defined, like squares on a graph paper. If the resolution is too low for the dot pitch, the image is stretched. If the resolution is too high, there's no way to display the image, since LCD's / fixed pixel displays are inherently fully digital. (1)

Therefore, dot pitch doesn't have the same meaning in the LCD world as it does for CRT's. Every LCD, when fed its native resolution is 100% "sharp." Since you're addressing every square on the graph paper individually, you can create perfectly sharp single-pixel-wide lines, and geometric shapes with sharply defined edges.

However, a dot pitch still controls the size of screen elements. On a .258mm screen, a 32x32 icon is 8.256mm diagonal. On a .269mm screen, it's just as sharp - every single pixel is as defined, but it's 8.608mm diagonal. So, things are bigger and a little easier to see.

LCD dot pitch is a function of LCD size and resolution, nothing more and nothing less.

If dot pitch meant clarity, then as the size of the display grows, it becomes less clear if resolution remains the same. That obviously doesn't make sense - a 19" 1280x1024 screen is easier to read than a 17" 1280x1024 screen.



(1) Plasma enthusiasts will be quick to point out that the color / brightness on an LCD is indeed analog-controlled, the variable voltage controls each crystal's light transmission, whereas plasma pixels are controlled by rapidly turning them on and off, which is a digital process. For the purposes of this discussion, we're just concerned with pixel addressing.

 

[NSA Lummox]

wow, i've been corrected i did not know that. thanks!