Dell and AMD's...

[Markfw]

Originally posted by: nick1985

Originally posted by: Wingznut

nick, Macro, Mik3y are pretty much AMD fans...

you say it like its a bad thing! :evil:

OK, everything else aside, I just sold my EX-sister-in-law an AMD Athlon 2700 system for $300 (kind of gave it away, 512 meg memory and Radeon 9100 video) since Dell refused to fix her problems, and said (after her $400 purchase of support) that it wasn't a hardware problem, so she has to fix it herself, or use on-phone tech support (which didn;t work).

So I re-installed XP (without a format, but a fresh install), and then she wanted another system for her son (my nephew) who she thought hosed it (he is 20 and a computer hack, not a geek)

Anyway, I think Dell sucks for very good reason, but if you only want an internet crusing piece of hardware
with little or no support, they are cheap. Other than that they blow, AMD ASIDE !!!

 

[Wingznut]

Originally posted by: Macro2
RE:"Wingznut is just a Intel fan"

I certainly hope so. Intel writes his paycheck.
OTOH, he probably feels a little lonely around here with all the AMD fans and few Intel fans.

Hey, I've still got FelixDeKat! :roll:




Oh and you are completely correct about manufacturing capacity. They do have a .065µ fab coming online in early 2006 and I saw they struck a deal with another Asian foundry to help build their chips in 2006. But I wouldn't count your chickens yet... They've had similar agreements with TSMC, UMC, and IBM. None of which ever came to fruition.



Thanks jbond04... I thought I pretty much knew a ton about cpu's, until I got my current job. Only then did I start to realize how little I actually did know.

 

[Markfw]

Wingznut, I can't believe what I am seeing ? What are you really saying ? AMD is king right now (undisputed IMO) so there is Intel anywhere in the lead in and way ????

 

[Wingznut]

Originally posted by: Markfw900
Wingznut, I can't believe what I am seeing ? What are you really saying ? AMD is king right now (undisputed IMO) so there is Intel anywhere in the lead in and way ????

"so there is Intel anywhere in the lead in and way ???"

I have no idea what you are trying to say.

 

[Macro2]

RE:"I saw they struck a deal with another Asian foundry to help build their chips in 2006. But I wouldn't count your chickens yet... They've had similar agreements with TSMC, UMC, and IBM. None of which ever came to fruition."

Absolutely true. Attempts to get asian foundrys to fab AMDs chips have been fruitless. IBM is a conflict of interest and like being in bed with an anaconda.

At full capacity, with todays fabs, AMD couldn't provide 30% of the market. They currently have about 16-17%.

So they need fab 36 asap.

AMDs best hope in the near term is to grow revenue share as well as market share.

Intel seems to be hinging on dual core.
But AMD has that pretty well covered as well.
In the mean time Intel is hesitant to put Dothan on the desktop. No 64 bit extensions.

 

[Markfw]

Sorry typo's , (big ones at that, have another beer Mark.........what was I thinking???)

Felix syndrome..... Anyway, Amd is kicking butt right now. Please don't take it too personal. But what's this about fabs ?????

(just got back from a 4 day business trip in Vegas....) OOPs !!!!

 

[Macro2]

http://www.amd.com/us-en/Corpo...1_52_502_505%2C00.html

http://www.amd.com/us-en/0%2C%2C3715_10023%2C00.html

Basically AMD has converted Fab 25 (Austin) to flash and Fab 30 (Dresden) is producing mainly cpus. Fab 36 is being built next to Fab 30. It will be a 300mm fab. 12" wafer...more die per wafer than the 8" wafers.

Basically, AMD is capacity restrained. They have tried to sub out the lower end of the line tosome asian fabs like UMC, TSMC even IBM with little success.

OTOH, Intel if overloaded with Fab capacity due to Barrett investing in fabs that make 300mm wafers.

I dunno what you now about semiconductor fabs but that are very expensive and have to be built specificall for that purpose. Clean rooms require meticulous ventalation systems. So you don't just pop one up over night. Fab 30 for instance cost $2 billion.
Fab 36 could cost twice that.

 

[wfn]

the majority of people who buy pcs do not know brandnames... whether it's intel or amd, wd or seagate they do not care. they've heard of ibm, dell, apple and microsoft-- that's it. and dell will use whatever's cheapest and whomever they have strategic alliances with which is intel and microsoft. actually we have it good here since we have a choice. there are parts of the world that pretty much use no amd or very little amd cpus.

 

[thegimp03]

the majority of people who buy pcs do not know brandnames... whether it's intel or amd, wd or seagate they do not care. they've heard of ibm, dell, apple and microsoft-- that's it. and dell will use whatever's cheapest and whomever they have strategic alliances with which is intel and microsoft. actually we have it good here since we have a choice. there are parts of the world that pretty much use no amd or very little amd cpus.

Exactly. :thumbsup:

 

[Shenkoa]

The more dumb people that buy Dell and Gateway and OEM crap like that. The cheaper OEM parts become for us

 

[wkwong]

i have hated dell with the rest of you, but some of their deals are pretty intriguing. i couldnt help but to pick up a laptop during that 750 off 1500 deal, lol.

but yea, like everyone else said... the majority of people who buy dells:

don't know jack about computers
don't know brands
don't understand most specs EXCEPT for clock speed

most people do understand high clock speed = better (well at least that is their understanding of it)

perhaps another reason why dell chooses intel over amd. marketing purposes. despite the fact that an amd processor would outperform an intel chip at lower clock speeds, people would look for a "GHz" rating. they'd probably think 3200+ is just a model or something. these lower clock ratings would probably make most of their customers think that the cpu is slow.

dell would definitely not bother trying to educate their customers, cause then they'd might start losing some of them

 

[qiasabird]

Originally posted by: Shenkoa
The more dumb people that buy Dell and Gateway and OEM crap like that. The cheaper OEM parts become for us

I don't think so

 

[pDok]

A lot of people here slam Dell, however I have had 3 dell systems over the past 5 years and have yet to encounter a single problem with any of them (could just be lucky).

Originally posted by: Shenkoa
The more dumb people that buy Dell and Gateway and OEM crap like that. The cheaper OEM parts become for us

To call people "Dumb for buying a Dell" to me just sounds like someone trying to make themselves feel superior for simply having some PC knowledge which frankly is not that significant. I also wonder why you think having more people buying Dell and so forth would make other parts cheaper, since generally a smaller market for items increases the prices..

But, for me it's time for a new PC and I want AMD. Looking at prices from many system providers, self building seems the cheapest by quite a bit. This wasn't the case with Intel systems, where Dell provided systems for prices comparable to self building. Having a couple of useable systems, I'm now quite happy to build one and am looking forward to doing so. Additionally, overclocking seems to becoming much more accessable by having utilities which make it simple along with increased coverage and advice from tech sites.

This all provides the motivation for not buying another Dell, however if they had an AMD system I'm not so sure I wouldn't take the easy option and simply point and click a few times on a web site and have a system delivered to my door in a weeks time already built and ready for use.