Dell: "Beware of imitations, buy a real 2GHz machine, a Pentium 4"

[RaynorWolfcastle]

:Q

The Inquirer's article

Seems like the gloves are coming off over in Round Rock... This is BS marketing if you ask me, AMD has processors capable of competing with 2GHz P4s and they certainly aren't imitations.

Please don't turn this thread into a flame-fest

-Ice

 

[Slacker]

WHILE THE BRITISH Parliament dithers like a Southpaw McDither? over whether or when to stop people wearing red jackets hunting foxes with dogs, <<<<<<<<<<<<<< What???

I couldnt read anymore:disgust:

 

[Challenger]

<< Seems like the gloves are coming off over in Round Rock... This is BS marketing if you ask me, AMD has processors capable of competing with 2GHz P4s and they certainly aren't imitations. >>




They do compete very well but they aren't "TRUE" 2ghz chips.The one thing you have to remember is most marketing is made so a five year old can understand it.Most people that buy premade machines know just about as much about the inside of a computer as a five year old does.That is what makes this kind of marketing work.I know there are alot of people that buy premade systems that do have a great deal of knowledge about computers and they buy custom machines

 

[AGodspeed]

Dell's ad (like AMD's model ratings) are marketing. AMD needs the model rating to raise their ASP's and to educate the public that MHz isn't everything. Dell needs Intel's high clocked P4's to, well, basically tell you not to buy Compaq's or HP's "2000+" processors. That's the hidden message that I see at least. Maybe this was taken out of context, I don't know...

 

[SteelCityFan]

That's right.. Marketing. They are trying to sell PC's. It is up to the consumer to make an educated purchase.

 

[RaynorWolfcastle]

What irks me in that statement is that it is worded in such a way that it implies that AMD chips are cheap (read low quality) Intel knock-offs.

-Ice

 

[ElFenix]

heheh i think i'll go up to mikey d's office and have a word with him about it tomorrow LOL!

 

[HendrixFan]

I take that to mean AMD is doing something right. Dell doesnt offer AMD chips at all, so why even mention them (not by name)? Why not tout their own product?

They must be feeling heat from other builders that use AMD chips. Hell, all the others sell Intel chips as well. I wonder if that will have any impact at all.

 

[Sunner]

Of course it's all merkting, and like all merketing it's BS, but I can't help but thinking it's a little funny to say that when they sell loads of P4's with SDRAM, making that 2 GHz P4 about as fast as a 1 GHz P-III

 

[BFG10K]

This is BS marketing if you ask me,

It's not BS because no matter which you cut it a 2000 XP+ is not running at 2 GHz. Its performance might be similar but that still doesn't allow you to call it a 2 GHz processor.

 

[RaynorWolfcastle]

<< This is BS marketing if you ask me,

It's not BS because no matter which you cut it a 2000 XP+ is not running at 2 GHz. Its performance might be similar but that still doesn't allow you to call it a 2 GHz processor. >>





<< What irks me in that statement is that it is worded in such a way that it implies that AMD chips are cheap (read low quality) Intel knock-offs. >>

<-- is is what's giving me a problem. If they want to tout a 2 GHz processor, by all means go ahead. But don't say it in a way that implies that AMD is producing crap.

-Ice

 

[JellyBaby]

This reminds me of how McDonald's and Burger King used to wage commercial war against each other. And, hey, they enjoy peaceful coexistence to this day.

Each a Big Mac or a Whopper. Both will fill you up. And the next day both come out looking the same. Processors work in much the same way, only you shouldn't consume them of course.

 

[LikeLinus]

You people take this marketing Bs way too freaking seriously. It's apparent you've never owned or done marketing for a company. It's all about the bottom line. Dell isn't lying or saying anything that isn't true.

Plus wtf do you care that Dell is just trying to promote sales their way? Jesus you'd think they were murdering your first born. Taking a companies marketing scheme personally is just sad.

Also i have no clue how Dell is saying that AMD chips are "low quality" damn you read way too much into this..lol

10 dollars says you think Nike is telling the world to commit suicide with their "Just Do it" slogan

 

[NOX]

I agree with LikeLinus01. It's all marketing and nothing more. Don't get all hot when it's coming from "theinquirer". 99% of the time it's all crap anyway.

Intel, AMD, we need them both guys, and that's a fact!

 

[Duvie]

Dell has been sucking arse lately and this is what desperate companies do....I own a p4 but I admire amd and the product they have...I have owned them in the past and I will likely in the future....

I hate dell and their non-competitve products...They can just make more with intel p4's since they get large cost incentive savings by only selling intels and buying in such bulk...amd chips are already cheap so there is less room to make profit.....

 

[skace]

Unless they are selling Pentium 3 chips at 2 GHZ, I consider their products imitation 2gh also

 

[sharkeeper]

It's all about classes of performance. An Athlon XP 2000+ is easily in the same class as a Pentium IV at 2000 MHz.

When Cyrix and AMD each had their own variants, we saw this more because their 5x86 cpu was actually a 486 class processor even though it was often claimed to have Pentium performance. (as long as you didn't use FP applications!)

When you look at the raw numbers, the difference widens. Compare a Palomino running at 1.6GHz to a Northwood running at 1.6GHz.

Cheers!

 

[LikeLinus]

The only real problem i have with AMD right now is their PR rating system. They are almost trying to defraud the public by using this scheme. Let me give an example.

Ford makes a new Mustang that has a v6 that has produces 425 amount of HP and gives it a 0-60 of 5.0. Chevy comes out with their new corvette that has a v8 that has produces 400 amount of HP and gives it a 0-60 of 5.0. Now should Ford call their car the Mustang v8+ ?

If you dont like that...try this.

Ford makes a new Cobra that has a V8 and prduces 400hp with a curb weight of 3000lbs. Chevy makes a Covette that produces 435hp but weights 3500lbs. Both cars have a 0-60 of 5.0. Should ford sell the car to the public as a Cobra 455+hp car. Sure it performs the exact same as the corvette!! Or is it really the build of the car (weight) that is what helps the performance?

Now remember folks, a cars performance isn't strictly based on HP....there are many other factors. But almost all car makers publish their peak HP ratings to attract buyers. If Ford started a new PR rating system where they bumped up their peak HP rating based on it's performance (known that there are MANY other factors to a cars performance).... is this not considered lying to the consumer.

It's a total misrepresentation of the product. It is perfectly fine for AMD to tell the public that their 1.5ghz performs like a 1.8/1.9 Intel, but to call their product a 1800+ isn't exactly right. They are misleading certain unsuspecting customers. Plus they are setting up retailers and other places to flat out lie to the unknowing consumer.

"Yes man, this is AMD's new 2100mhz chip!"

 

[Cogman]

I think the biggest factor though in this marketing ploy is the customers. I Pretty sure A LOT have called in for a "Custom" Pc from Dell asking for AMD ChipSets. When in All reality they only deal with Intel. Safe to say that they want people to think they can always give them "exactly" what they want. but if People ask for a AMD CPU and start roaming around after Dell does not sell it they find Other companys that do sell the complete system. or they end up here with use finding the joy and love of building their own system

 

[madthumbs]

DELL sucks. Sure PC World makes them out to be gods... but PC world knows less about computers then kids in preschool.

 

[SteelCityFan]

LikeLinus01


I agree 100% with your analogy, and have often used something similar. A turbocharged 250HP Civic can give a corvette a run for it's money, but that doesn't give Honda the right to call it a 380HP car.

See this thread for the funny details of my above example...

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/zerothread?id=266208

 

[ObiDon]

HA HA HA! That dude named his Corvette "Sasha!!!"
Is he still a virgin or something? :Q
I'm all for a little friendly competition but those ricers and muscleheads take it too personally like someones Mom got called fat or ugly. WTF does it matter who's car is faster as long as they all like their cars? And why can't ricer's get along with *anyone* except other ricers???
anyway...


<< This is BS marketing if you ask me, AMD has processors capable of competing with 2GHz P4s and they certainly aren't imitations. >>


I'm pretty sure you've heard "A fool and his money are soon parted"
Don't stress over it. Let Average Joe have his inadeuquate-by-our-standards-but-still-overkill-for-what-he-does pre-built system. He doesn't need 2GHz real or not just for e-mail or looking at pr0n! That just leaves more good stuff for us!

 

[SteelCityFan]

Cogman

Dell is not the only company to not offer AMD. Gateway did for a time being and dropped them.. same with Micron.


As for Dell "sucking", I don't know why people bash them so much. They sell a good PC for a good price. We all know they don't sell a PC with the latest Corsiar/Samsung CL2 RAM, or the latest Asus motherboard, but they sell great PC's compared to the other OEM's I have dealt with. They serve their purpose... supplying good PC's at a low cost with a great selection to those people who do not know how to build their own. They must be doing something right since last I checked they were the world leader in market share.

I personally have owned two Dells.. a 266P2 and the laptop below. I have never once had a problem with their tech support or the PC's. Hell, my laptop has upgradeable Video / Processor, and they'll even sell you the Video card at least (have not checked into the procesor). They also have on their webpage a document showing you how to remove any part you would ever want to. Show me another laptop that can do that.

 

[JohnnyPC]

I think that the marketing people often lose sleep at night worrying that the general public won't catch on to the things that really matter...because once they do, all these traditional tactics will fly out the window and they'll be scratching their heads wondering what to do now...

 

[madthumbs]

Here are just "some" reasons why Dell's suck if there is any question about it;

-They're tech support that the customer is ultimately paying for is worse than 3rd party free tech support. My friend who bought a Dell comes to me for help, and I'm just a newbie.

-The case is proprietary. They make very nice cases, but try putting another motherboard in it. Suppose yours dies giving you the opportunity to upgrade for the same price as replacement... ooops... sorry... you can't put another mobo in it! They'd be better off building cheap cases if they're not gonna make them upgradeable.

-Poor Sales/ delivery; I've heard of computers being left in the back of trucks, orders cancelled without notifying customer, half hour + waits to speak to someone about an existing order.

The market leader is not always best. Amiga kicked IBM's ass at making computers, but Amiga didn't advertise. IBM was simply the leader in marketing. Creative sucks, but they probably still lead sales in sound cards just because they set the standard in computer audio 200 years ago. Market share has nothing to do with how good a company is. Take AT&T for example. They'll call you up, get you to switch over to thier service by lying to you, bill you for things you didn't want, make you have to talk to someone after a 1 hour wait that doesn't even speak english well just so you can cancel thier service! Hey,... if you want to go with industry leaders... be my guest