Dell new 20" wide LCD 2005FPW. Has anyone seen this beast?

[Corporate Thug]

hmmm, i guess the lower response time is worth the lower res but i dont see any ghosting at all with my 2001 FP

 

[JBT]

Originally posted by: codeyf
Plus the 2005FPW has USB 2.0 and 12ms over the 2001FP....

The 2001FP has USB2.0 too. 12ms is a nice touch, though I have never seen any Ghosting on mine either way.

I agree M4H wide screen is a VERY appealing feature. For the people who don't think this would be good for games though. I think about any resolution can be forced in drivers as well as in game settings, it just might not be as easy You can do it thoguh and more and more games will have this feature.

 

[Mr. Lennon]

Originally posted by: JBT

Originally posted by: Zeppelin2282
Very nice, it even lets you hook up your xbox to it. You think this monitor would also be good for the xbox as well?

You can connect it to a 2001FP as well. It also has S-video and composite inputs.

That was one of the only things holding me back from the 2001fp. It will be replacing my tv as well as my monitor in my room. Now just have to keep an eye on hot deals till it goes down to $550 hopefully.

 

[stelleg151]

Originally posted by: SKORPI0
2001FP - screen size - 12" x 16" - 192 sq.inch
2005FPW - screen size - 10.6"x16.96" - 179.78 sq.inch

So there is a difference of about 12.22 sq.inch. - On top of that only resolution of 1680 x 1050 @ 60Hz :thumbsdown:

Dell should have done the following.

12"x19.2" screen size - 22.6" diagonal with 1920x1200 resolution (HDTV); same found in the 15.4" UltraSharp UXGA.

I would still take the 2001 cause more area and 1600x1200 is sweet.

 

[nitromullet]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: JBT

Originally posted by: Zeppelin2282
Very nice, it even lets you hook up your xbox to it. You think this monitor would also be good for the xbox as well?

You can connect it to a 2001FP as well. It also has S-video and composite inputs.

A 2001FP isn't widescreen. This is. :Q

- M4H

The 2001FP can do "widescreen" just as well as this one, you will just have bars on the top and bottom. They are both the same width, the 2005FPW is just not as tall. When not in widescreen mode, the 2001FP has a larger screen.

 

[Arkali]

Widescreen Gaming Forums

I expect more games to natively support widescreen as time goes on. Most current games without native support can have settings hacked. Also I expect monitors in general to trend toward widescreen as PCs become more media centric. Alot of people used to laugh at this idea but with the growth of media center PCs and their evolution to HDTV, I think it will really happen.

 

[miks23]

The 2001FP increased screen size is really minimal. I have a 2001FP and I ordered a 2005FPW today. I'll compare them both and post my findings. I gotta see which one I keep.

The 2001FP should not be able to do widescreen just as well as the 2005FPW. The 2001FP has a native resolution of 1600x1200 or a 4:3 (full screen) aspect ratio, the 2005FPW is native 1680x1050 or 16:9 (widescreen) aspect ratio. There will be no black bars for widescreen application on a 2005FPW making it considerably "larger" for movie watching or any other applications supporting the 16:9 widescreen aspect ratio.

Resolutions can be forced through drivers, on the 2005FPW there should be black bars on the left and right when viewing applications in 4:3. This is the only downfall.

My take on the situation is that widescreen is where things are going. 4:3 will be phased out in the not so distant future, so if you can deal with black bars with older apps why not go with it, greater longevity. I heard something about a 2006 HD Standard that all tv's must abide by. Anyone else hear about this?

Mike

 

[mdahc]

Originally posted by: trikster2

Has anyone "in the know" seen the new Dell 2005FPW 20" wide screen LCD?

If so, how is it?

Specs look identicle to the imac G5 20" displays, which look pretty good. Are they the the same panel?

Thanks!

THE FOLLOWING IS A LINK NOT A SIG
Linky to designtechnica article
THE LINK ABOVE IS A LINK NOT MY A SIG

All curret Dell "Ultrasharp" panels, including this one, are made by BenQ. So if BenQ also makes Apple's LCD's, then yes, they're probably the same panel.

 

[codeyf]

Originally posted by: mdahc

Originally posted by: trikster2

Has anyone "in the know" seen the new Dell 2005FPW 20" wide screen LCD?

If so, how is it?

Specs look identicle to the imac G5 20" displays, which look pretty good. Are they the the same panel?

Thanks!

THE FOLLOWING IS A LINK NOT A SIG
Linky to designtechnica article
THE LINK ABOVE IS A LINK NOT MY A SIG

All curret Dell "Ultrasharp" panels, including this one, are made by BenQ. So if BenQ also makes Apple's LCD's, then yes, they're probably the same panel.

Taken from the Anandtech Review of the 2001FP (Which is also an "Ultrasharp"):

The screen itself is a very nice LG.Philips LCD LM201U04.

So the blanket statement that all Ultrasharps are Benqs, isn't true.

 

[trikster2]

Originally posted by: nitromullet

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: JBT

Originally posted by: Zeppelin2282
Very nice, it even lets you hook up your xbox to it. You think this monitor would also be good for the xbox as well?

You can connect it to a 2001FP as well. It also has S-video and composite inputs.

A 2001FP isn't widescreen. This is. :Q

- M4H

The 2001FP can do "widescreen" just as well as this one, you will just have bars on the top and bottom. They are both the same width, the 2005FPW is just not as tall. When not in widescreen mode, the 2001FP has a larger screen.

>The 2001FP can do "widescreen" just as well as this one,

How is the 2001FP going to manage that when it is an inch narrower?????????


Toltal screen area

2001FP > 2005FPW

Games that can't handle widescreen

2001FP > 2005FPW

Watching T.V.

2001FP > 2005FPW

WideScreen gaming

2005FPW > 2001FP

Movies

2005FPW > 2001FP

 

[mdahc]

I used to work for Dell, and they told us that BenQ makes all of the current Ultrasharp panels (I even called them as a consumer and specifically asked about the 2001fp since a friend of mine wanted to know who makes it and they told me the same thing). So unless Dell's S&P tech support was lying to me, then Anandtech is incorrect.

 

[ponyo]

Originally posted by: codeyf

Originally posted by: mdahc

Originally posted by: trikster2

Has anyone "in the know" seen the new Dell 2005FPW 20" wide screen LCD?

If so, how is it?

Specs look identicle to the imac G5 20" displays, which look pretty good. Are they the the same panel?

Thanks!

THE FOLLOWING IS A LINK NOT A SIG
Linky to designtechnica article
THE LINK ABOVE IS A LINK NOT MY A SIG

All curret Dell "Ultrasharp" panels, including this one, are made by BenQ. So if BenQ also makes Apple's LCD's, then yes, they're probably the same panel.

Taken from the Anandtech Review of the 2001FP (Which is also an "Ultrasharp"):

The screen itself is a very nice LG.Philips LCD LM201U04.

So the blanket statement that all Ultrasharps are Benqs, isn't true.

LG-Phillips manufactures the LCD panel. Benq puts together 2001FP using LG-Phillips panel.

There are only couple of big LCD panel manufacturers in the world. But there are lot of companies that put together LCD monitor using panels from these few panel manufacturers.

Recap: Benq is the OEM for Dell and manufactures 2001FP. 2001FP uses LG-Phillips panel. Benq uses these panel to make 2001FP.

 

[darkswordsman17]

I believe the company that makes the panel and the company that actually manufactures the monitor can be different. There are I believe 3 different main panel manuf. and other companies just buy the panel from them but make the LCD how they want to.

I think its LG, Samsung, and I forget who the last big panel maker is. BenQ just makes the base/case and then puts the panel in it.

 

[ponyo]

Originally posted by: darkswordsman17
I believe the company that makes the panel and the company that actually manufactures the monitor can be different. There are I believe 3 different main panel manuf. and other companies just buy the panel from them but make the LCD how they want to.

I think its LG, Samsung, and I forget who the last big panel maker is. BenQ just makes the base/case and then puts the panel in it.

AU Optronics Corp or AUO is another big one. They make most of the 17inch 16ms 16.2million color panel you see on various 17inch LCDs. AUO used to be part of Acer but broke off. Benq also used to be part of Acer.

 

[mdahc]

I specifically asked who made the panel, and that's what they said. I thought BenQ also made panels. Oh well, whatever. The important thing to note is this is just another example of Dell (and other) American companies slapping their logo on other companies' creations and acting as though they're innovative (the Dell S&P guys bragged and bragged about how Dell was the 1st company to offer a true "gaming" LCD with a 16ms response time, and I'm sure they'll do the same with this 12ms widescreen). I'm sick of these OEM's taking all the glory and acting as though they're providing people with innovative technology at a low price. There's nothing innovative about Dell, and they're certainly not low priced.

 

[chinkgai]

Originally posted by: JBT

Originally posted by: codeyf
Plus the 2005FPW has USB 2.0 and 12ms over the 2001FP....

The 2001FP has USB2.0 too.

my device manager only detects it as "generic usb hub" and not 2.0 when i plugged it in. am i doing something wrong?

 

[bunnyfubbles]

despite higher contrast and brightness to the 2001, I might actually consider is a downgrade, 1600x1200 > 1680 x 1050 in terms of actually destop space to work with, it'd easily be hands down better if the resolution were higher but no dice until then (preferably 1920x1200 as was mentioned before). Thanks for getting my hopes up though (honostly I'd take a slower response time for a higher resolution wide screen, but hopefully with this new competition prices will fall, woot!)

Price is nice @ $799, but $1800 for 1920x1200 non dell monitors...

 

[ponyo]

Dell is providing innovative technology at a low price. 2001FP was the first 20" 16ms LCD. It was priced at much lower price than any 20" out at the time.

This new 20" 12ms widescreen is not the first to the market but it's priced at lot lower than its competitors. With Dell sales and coupon, expect $600 or less for this screen.

 

[KevinH]

Originally posted by: mdahc
I specifically asked who made the panel, and that's what they said. I thought BenQ also made panels. Oh well, whatever. The important thing to note is this is just another example of Dell (and other) American companies slapping their logo on other companies' creations and acting as though they're innovative (the Dell S&P guys bragged and bragged about how Dell was the 1st company to offer a true "gaming" LCD with a 16ms response time, and I'm sure they'll do the same with this 12ms widescreen). I'm sick of these OEM's taking all the glory and acting as though they're providing people with innovative technology at a low price. There's nothing innovative about Dell, and they're certainly not low priced.

Okay, I'll agree on the innovative but to say Dell isn't low priced is insane. Have you looked at the prices of their notebook, lcds, periperhals? Sure their regular prices are average/msrp but Dell has coupons and sales ALL the time that absolutely smoke any other operation in terms of price. Show me another 16ms 20" lcd for $599. That's right...there isn't. How about a 7200 60 gig laptop drive for 137 bucks? That's what I thought. I could go on and on and on. Hell I just picked up a 1.6 ghz Centrino with an ati 9000 loaded laptop for $800 bucks. Yeah real expensive there...

 

[mdahc]

You're just not paying attention if you really think Dell is low priced. OK, no you can't find a 20" 16ms LCD for $599, that's right, not even from Dell. It retails from them for around $799 plus tax with the occasional 25% off like they have now (oh wait...shipping time of 1-2 weeks, wow, that means they're selling sh*t they don't have in stock and you'll be lucky to get one before Xmas...yes, 1-2 weeks translates into more than a month in Dell terms, and if you don't want to wait that long you have to purchase somewhere else where you being paying $800 or more again). If you guys don't believe me, then try to order something from them with a 1-2 week lead time on their website, then call customer service and ask for the estimated ship date.

And as far as the POS laptops KevinH is talking about, yes you can get refurbs with 7200rpm, 60GB HDD's from them for $137 and a 90 day warranty a no guarantee that it will work beyond that, not to mention they do virtually no testing before they send out their refurbs, they just wipe the HDD's, reinstall the OS, and it's back up for sale. A 1.6GHz Centrino for $800 and an ATI Radeon 9000? What kind of value is that? You can find the same kind of crap on eBay, and if you're going to spend the money, you might as well buy something current (they're still using a Radeon 9000 in some of their laptops like the 600m...it doesn't even support DX 9).

Anyway, I was really referring to their desktops, workstations, and servers, all of which are way overpriced, even the refurbs. I thought this forum was made up of DIY's. None of you can honestly tell me you can't build a better machine that costs the same or less than a comparable Dell machine, can you?

Trust me, as a former employee, the only reason they occasionally undercut everyone else (usually by advertising sh*t on sale that they don't have in stock) is to try to get you to buy other crap when they have you on the phone or when you're on their website (i.e. you call in when they're giving a "free" upgrade to some cheap LCD, but then you have to pay $99 in shipping for a desktop and they raise the base price of the system). It's all marketing. You can believe that they're low priced all you want, but that doesn't change the fact that they sell low tech, overpriced junk, now does it?

 

[trikster2]

wow mdahc, you really hate dell.

Regarding non DX9 parts in notebooks, you can spend $3k on a state of the art thinkpad with only a radeon 7500 and all the reviewers love them. Not everyone in the world games and cares about DX9.

Dell has a wide range of laptops supporting every need. Their prices can not be beat when they have their end of quarter sales.

OTOH I agree, Dells quality on laptops has gone down over the past few years, but that's true of a lot of electronics......

 

[chinkgai]

Originally posted by: mdahc
You're just not paying attention if you really think Dell is low priced. OK, no you can't find a 20" 16ms LCD for $599, that's right, not even from Dell. It retails from them for around $799 plus tax with the occasional 25% off like they have now (oh wait...shipping time of 1-2 weeks, wow, that means they're selling sh*t they don't have in stock and you'll be lucky to get one before Xmas...yes, 1-2 weeks translates into more than a month in Dell terms, and if you don't want to wait that long you have to purchase somewhere else where you being paying $800 or more again). If you guys don't believe me, then try to order something from them with a 1-2 week lead time on their website, then call customer service and ask for the estimated ship date.

And as far as the POS laptops KevinH is talking about, yes you can get refurbs with 7200rpm, 60GB HDD's from them for $137 and a 90 day warranty a no guarantee that it will work beyond that, not to mention they do virtually no testing before they send out their refurbs, they just wipe the HDD's, reinstall the OS, and it's back up for sale. A 1.6GHz Centrino for $800 and an ATI Radeon 9000? What kind of value is that? You can find the same kind of crap on eBay, and if you're going to spend the money, you might as well buy something current (they're still using a Radeon 9000 in some of their laptops like the 600m...it doesn't even support DX 9).

Anyway, I was really referring to their desktops, workstations, and servers, all of which are way overpriced, even the refurbs. I thought this forum was made up of DIY's. None of you can honestly tell me you can't build a better machine that costs the same or less than a comparable Dell machine, can you?

Trust me, as a former employee, the only reason they occasionally undercut everyone else (usually by advertising sh*t on sale that they don't have in stock) is to try to get you to buy other crap when they have you on the phone or when you're on their website (i.e. you call in when they're giving a "free" upgrade to some cheap LCD, but then you have to pay $99 in shipping for a desktop and they raise the base price of the system). It's all marketing. You can believe that they're low priced all you want, but that doesn't change the fact that they sell low tech, overpriced junk, now does it?

^
disgruntled formerly employee

 

[mdahc]

Oh yeah, I say something you don't agree with, and I'm automatically a disgruntled employee. I actually didn't mind working there. I got paid rather well to sit around and even sleep sometimes, meanwhile I didn't ever have to think either. If a customer got pissed at you, it wasn't really your problem since managers don't really care and since that customer was usually safely a couple hundred or even thousand miles away. Just transfer away until it the customer finally gets tired of calling (if they're not buying, let them get tied up in the system).

For those of you who refuse to listen, consider this. Dell offers two main "Workstation" lines under their Small and Medium Business site, one called Precision and one n Series. Take a look at the Precision 670 and compare it to the 670n. There is no hardware difference at all, unless you consider the labels hardware. The only difference is the operating system, the Precision 670 ships with Windows and the 670n ships with Red Hat Linux WS. Of course, Red Hat Linux WS licenses are more expensive than Windows licenses. However, this doesn't explain why Dell charges more to upgrade the base processor on the 670n series than on the Precision 670 series ($415 extra for a 3.2GHz base Xeon processor, marked "Great Value" in green on the 670n, versus $350 for the same CPU on the Precision 670).

Or how about an explanation as to why they charge $109 to upgrade from a 48x CD-ROM to a DVD/CDRW combo drive or a 48x CDRW only (yes, this is really low priced) on the Precision 670 and $119 for the same drive on the 670n (and the same drive can be had for $69 on the Optiplex GX280).

How about this...it costs $150 for a single 512MB SODIMM of Infineon DDR333 on the Inspiron 5160 and 1150 whereas it costs $100 for the same memory on the Inspiron 9200 (all on the Home and Home Office website). Yes, what a great low cost value.

Wake up people.

 

[Excelsior]

THIS is drool-worthy.

 

[darkswordsman17]

Holy mother of god.

A 30" cinema display (or is it?) and that one IBM monitor that has insane resolutions together!

Droooooooolll.....

What are they using to drive a setup like that?

Back to the original topic I have to say I like the 2001FP better, but its nice to see Dell come up with something that gives a nice altgernative to Apple's pricey Cinema Displays. If only they'd do the same for the 23 and 30 inchers.

What I want is for a company to make it so that the bars on the side of their monitors (the bezel part) are removable, allowing you to be able to string multiple monitors together and get one large screen. I even considered (albeit only momentarily) getting a 2nd 2001FP and then modding them to do just that, giving me a 3200x1200 screen. I then reclaimed sanity and stopped thinking about doing such a thing. I know such a thing sorta exists, but its not really what I'm talking about.