Dell new 20" wide LCD 2005FPW. Has anyone seen this beast?

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Gizmotion

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Halcy-

If you aren't "stuck" on a widescreen see if you can get them to send you the 2001FP instead. The one I got a few days ago is absolutely perfect. No bad pixels or back-light issues. It came packed fresh from the factory in pristine, virginal condition. The 2005FPW I sent back (because of back-light leakage and my finding that widescreen isn't good for my work) looked very much like a re-pack job. The analog cable had one blue plastic thumb screw with a stripped head as though someone forced it with a phillips head screwdriver and the cable was connected to the monitor but wasn't wrapped in any plastic the way all the other cables were. The plastic bags that the other cable came in didn't look "factory fresh." I think that Dell must have an endless supply of 2005FPW returns to repack and send out again. The QC is definitely off considering all the posts you and I can read on this thread. I had to wait 2 weeks for the 2001FP "in production" until it was sent and as I said it looked like it was just built. Also the date on the back of the 2005FPW I sent back was Oct. 2004 while the 2001FP is dated Nov. 2004. I love this monitor!
 
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Originally posted by: Gizmotion
Halcy-

If you aren't "stuck" on a widescreen see if you can get them to send you the 2001FP instead. The one I got a few days ago is absolutely perfect. No bad pixels or back-light issues. It came packed fresh from the factory in pristine, virginal condition. The 2005FPW I sent back (because of back-light leakage and my finding that widescreen isn't good for my work) looked very much like a re-pack job. The analog cable had one blue plastic thumb screw with a stripped head as though someone forced it with a phillips head screwdriver and the cable was connected to the monitor but wasn't wrapped in any plastic the way all the other cables were. The plastic bags that the other cable came in didn't look "factory fresh." I think that Dell must have an endless supply of 2005FPW returns to repack and send out again. The QC is definitely off considering all the posts you and I can read on this thread. I had to wait 2 weeks for the 2001FP "in production" until it was sent and as I said it looked like it was just built. Also the date on the back of the 2005FPW I sent back was Oct. 2004 while the 2001FP is dated Nov. 2004. I love this monitor!

Giz-
I hear ya. Problem is I found that widescreen really is effective for my work, (I do java web programming) and I've found a lot of the websites lines extend very far to the right so its very helpful to see everything on screen. Plus I'm getting an ATI HDTV wonder for christmas and of course HDTV comes in on widescreen. I just wish I could get one without problems, I'd be 100% happy... its just a nightmare trying to get that. And I took a peek at Samsungs 'big' monitors and their 24 incher runs $2g's.... and their 21"er runs about ~900. They are supposed to have a widescreen lcd out soon that is similar to dells, but itll likely costs hundreds more than what i got this for... sigh...
 

Electric Mayhem

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Is it normal to have the blue d-sub connector already connected in the back of the panel? I just got mine a few days ago and that's how it came.....seems strange. It didn't look like a repack job on the packaging though.


Is there a way to test for the backlighting issue?
 

Gizmotion

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Halcy - I don't know what to tell you except that if you pay $900 for the Samsung 21" widescreen you can amortize the cost over the next 3 to 4 years you use it and have total peace of mind and pleasure from working on a good quality widescreen. I think after trying 4 2005FPWs and having them all suck is an indication of a low probability of success with returns.

Electric Mayhem - both the 200FPW and the 2001FP I received came with the blue sub-d connector already connected to the back of the monitors. I assume it's the way they all come. There are other, more obvious telltale signs of a repack job like cables that are worn in some way or suspiciously poor packaging. Or of course wear and tear, like scratches on the plastic bezel or screen.
 
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What $900 samsung widescreen are we talking about .. ?

As for my 2005FPW it came flawless with 0 dead pixels and no backlight leakage issue. The D-sub cable was connected for obvious testing purposes by them.

Im happy with it besides that my eyes hurt from it..
 

Sadhu

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Originally posted by: Gizmotion
Halcy - I don't know what to tell you except that if you pay $900 for the Samsung 21" widescreen you can amortize the cost over the next 3 to 4 years you use it and have total peace of mind and pleasure from working on a good quality widescreen. I think after trying 4 2005FPWs and having them all suck is an indication of a low probability of success with returns.

Electric Mayhem - both the 200FPW and the 2001FP I received came with the blue sub-d connector already connected to the back of the monitors. I assume it's the way they all come. There are other, more obvious telltale signs of a repack job like cables that are worn in some way or suspiciously poor packaging. Or of course wear and tear, like scratches on the plastic bezel or screen.


The Samsung 21" is not a widescreen. Check it out, you'll see. Sure, it's bigger, but it's not a "widescreen" monitor. It's on sale at J&R Electronics in this past week's NYTimes for $799 after the $100 rebate (the Silver 21" - I doubt you can get the black model anymore - I haven't seen it for sale in quite some time - and certainly not on sale anywhere).


I don't expect ANY monitor, not even one for $2000 to be perfect. I don't know a single planet in our Solar System that's true on. Maybe somone can educate me on this score. I've seen a lot of high end monitors, even from Japan and Scandanavia, and never found that EIZO or Sony or Samsung or IBM or Apple monitors proved to be completely free of defects. You may get lucky and have none, and you may not be so lucky. My company recently purchased four Dell monitors, and they were all fine. A couple had zero defects, something I didn't expect at all. It would, perhaps, more likely that you find less to complain about in a Samsung, but it would be mistake to think your guarenteed not to get one with some defect - some lack of perection. That mass produced panels have "defects" is the NORM. The question is what's an acceptable and what isn't. However, it would not be appropriate to equate Samsung as a sure ticket to freedom from defects or to a guarantee of peace of mind.

Also, please remember that there will also be something better around the corner and on the shelves sooner rather than later. Monitors are not a long term investment any more than computers are. You may keep your monitor more than three years, but you can bet that in two years ... you'll be chomping at the bit for something better because there WILL be something MUCH better than what you have (even if you buy the Samsung 21". Peace of mind will last for how long? "Man, if only I had waited to buy my monitor one more -- fill in the blank -- (year?) ... look what I could have bought!"

I don't disagree that your money buys you something (certainly the quality control is better from Samsung than from many ... including Dell) but I doubt "peace of mind" is really what you can expect to buy ... in the long term. Peace of mind is very short lived. Very short lived.
 

Jaskalas

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Got my 2005 FPW, first used it tonight.... don't notice any problems so far.
*knock on wood*

It's bright... but that probably won't bother me. Backlight I'd assume isn't any worse than the next LCD, it can hardly be noticed. I'm certainly keeping this unless something changes.

Feel sorry to all those with problems, after reading the forums I was concerned how this LCD would turn out.
 

sbcdivision63

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i agree with sadhu...im still considering buying this monitor, and if i did, yea i would expect it to work for 3-5 years, but i wouldnt buy it thinking that in 5 years its gonna be top on the line...as sadhu said...its about the same as buying a pc...5 years from now i cant even imagine what monitors will be...can you say 36" plasma? the main reason im considering buying this monitor, for one, its different, and fits what i will use it for now, not 5 years from now
 
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Originally posted by: Sadhu
Originally posted by: Gizmotion
Halcy - I don't know what to tell you except that if you pay $900 for the Samsung 21" widescreen you can amortize the cost over the next 3 to 4 years you use it and have total peace of mind and pleasure from working on a good quality widescreen. I think after trying 4 2005FPWs and having them all suck is an indication of a low probability of success with returns.

Electric Mayhem - both the 200FPW and the 2001FP I received came with the blue sub-d connector already connected to the back of the monitors. I assume it's the way they all come. There are other, more obvious telltale signs of a repack job like cables that are worn in some way or suspiciously poor packaging. Or of course wear and tear, like scratches on the plastic bezel or screen.


The Samsung 21" is not a widescreen. Check it out, you'll see. Sure, it's bigger, but it's not a "widescreen" monitor. It's on sale at J&R Electronics in this past week's NYTimes for $799 after the $100 rebate (the Silver 21" - I doubt you can get the black model anymore - I haven't seen it for sale in quite some time - and certainly not on sale anywhere).


I don't expect ANY monitor, not even one for $2000 to be perfect. I don't know a single planet in our Solar System that's true on. Maybe somone can educate me on this score. I've seen a lot of high end monitors, even from Japan and Scandanavia, and never found that EIZO or Sony or Samsung or IBM or Apple monitors proved to be completely free of defects. You may get lucky and have none, and you may not be so lucky. My company recently purchased four Dell monitors, and they were all fine. A couple had zero defects, something I didn't expect at all. It would, perhaps, more likely that you find less to complain about in a Samsung, but it would be mistake to think your guarenteed not to get one with some defect - some lack of perection. That mass produced panels have "defects" is the NORM. The question is what's an acceptable and what isn't. However, it would not be appropriate to equate Samsung as a sure ticket to freedom from defects or to a guarantee of peace of mind.

Also, please remember that there will also be something better around the corner and on the shelves sooner rather than later. Monitors are not a long term investment any more than computers are. You may keep your monitor more than three years, but you can bet that in two years ... you'll be chomping at the bit for something better because there WILL be something MUCH better than what you have (even if you buy the Samsung 21". Peace of mind will last for how long? "Man, if only I had waited to buy my monitor one more -- fill in the blank -- (year?) ... look what I could have bought!"

I don't disagree that your money buys you something (certainly the quality control is better from Samsung than from many ... including Dell) but I doubt "peace of mind" is really what you can expect to buy ... in the long term. Peace of mind is very short lived. Very short lived.

Sure I agree. Heck I just bought my samsung 710T LCD this summer and thought I'd be using it for a really long time, then just what, 5-6 months later im buying another one?! Anyway the only reason I mentioned Samsung is because they are the only MFGR that i know of that has a 0 dead pixel policy... everyone else is like 8-10 or more.
 

Sadhu

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Sure I agree. Heck I just bought my samsung 710T LCD this summer and thought I'd be using it for a really long time, then just what, 5-6 months later im buying another one?! Anyway the only reason I mentioned Samsung is because they are the only MFGR that i know of that has a 0 dead pixel policy... everyone else is like 8-10 or more.
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Quite right. Just about everyone else's is 8-10. Dell's is eight, but then they have this "100 % satisfaction" guarantee" which, is kind of remarkable (as long as you send it back WITHIN THE TIME LIMIT - which could be more clear - as we all now know).

On the subject of "TOO BRIGHT" I'd like to mention that many of you may be using your monitors in rooms that are ... on the dark side of iluminated ... (I suspect many of you even lights turned off - those, for example that are still examining the backlight properties of their monitors over and over again or are immersing yourself in games and movies). You'll find that if you introduce more light into your computer environment, your eyes won't hurt so much when you look at the 2005FPw or 2001FP.

Dark rooms will just about make ANY monitor hurt your eyes, because the pupils of your eyes open wider in the dark, and so ... when you get blasted by a light source, your eyes tend to hurt, sort of like a getting a flash light pointed in your eyes at night as opposed to in the daytime. Be sure to try working in a room with more light before you come down too hard on the 2005FP. After it is adjusted, it shouldn't remain too bright for you. It isn't too bright for me, and as some of you may know, having relatives from Transylvania, I'm very sensitive to light.
 

ponyo

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When did Samsung change their dead pixel policy? They used to have 8-10 pixel policy. I thought they still had that. This is news to me. Any links?
 

Caerdwyn

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Beautiful monitor, but mine came with a glaring green stuck-pixel. It showed up on black and, for being only one tiny little pixel, was one heck of an eye-sore. Slight backlight seepage near the top right corner, too.

I know no LCD is guaranteed to be perfect... but my 1702FP was perfect and, after two years of use, now only has one stuck red pixel and no backlight seepage. The 2005FPW seems to need a little more time in the oven. Maybe A01 will be better
 

Sadhu

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Originally posted by: Naustica
When did Samsung change their dead pixel policy? They used to have 8-10 pixel policy. I thought they still had that. This is news to me. Any links?

The BottomDollar.com site raises the interesting statistic that in 2004, nearly 40 per cent of all monitors shipped will ship with some defective pixels. When you count the number of pixels on your lovely Dell monitors, you should note that the probability of getting one or more could be statistically high, and that it's relatively unlikely that you'll get a clean slate with zero. By the way, it's also very unlikely you'll find these dead pixels easily, and even more unlikely if you don't regularly clean your monitor, because dust and dried saliva (you may cough or sneeze from time to time) is consistently more noticeable than a dead pixel.

Naustica raises an interesting question, Halcy, because my memory is also that they (Samsung) don't have, or at least didn't have a Zero pixel policy. I member that places that use to sell Samsung used to enforce an 8 pixel policy. It would be interesting to actually see it in print. The fact is that most companies used to have an even greater number that you had to exceed before you could return a monitor. IBM used require twenty! They have lowered it to eight I believe.

As far as Samsung goes, the Samsung web site currently has FAQ on the issue of dead pixels, and it reads as follows:

Question:
What is Samsung's policy on dead pixels.

Answer:
Samsung monitor products conform to the ISO 1346-2 Standard with regard to dead or missing
pixels!

It doesn't say anything about kidnapped pixels or "runaway" pixels. Notice that this policy also doesn't mean the published standard is "zero tolerance." Quite the contrary, actually, the ISO Class standard is not 0 (zero) pixels. There are too sleazy to provide the info on the site, and notice that when they mention where you can learn more about the standard, the link they provide, which is
http://www.iso.org/iso/en/Cata...eDetail?CSNUMBER=25670 is a link that requires you to PAY for the information. That's really tacky, if you ask me. In other words, we have a policy, which is the standard ISO policy but we aren't going to tell you about how that translates to dead pixels. So much for easy going manufacturers which make it easier for you to have peace of mind.

If you look at Tom's Hardware site they list the number as being SEVEN for a 15" and TEN for 17" monitor. They also say that the questionnaire indicates that the Samsung will not replace a panel if you a pixel problem at the edge of the panel or EVEN in the middle of the panel. So, I wonder now, if Halcy is correct here. At any rate, you've got your work cut out for you to turn around this notion that it's not zero. Could it be that the SUPPLIER agreed to take it back for you because the SUPPLIER (retailer) had a 100% satisfaction guarantee (even though Samsung does not). Well, that would be horse of a different color.


And, of course, it becomes still more difficult to really get to the bottom of things with the ACTUAL "Okay, we'll take it back from you," because in real life, what you may find can be quite surprising. For example, what you find at Tom's Hardware under "Dead Pixel Policy":

"Another (nicer) surprise is the new slogan that Philips is flaunting on some of its panels: zero-pixel-defect tolerance. Except they're not talking about unlit pixels, so you may have four dead pixels before they consent to a replacement. Still, this policy is a step in the right direction towards better service and should be applied more often."

See Tom's Hardware Page on pixel warranties here:
http://graphics.tomshardware.c...319/lcd_pixels-02.html

Acer wouldn't answer Tom's Hardware Questionnaire

Apple - Vague but think it's eight and possibly four in row ... connected
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=22194
Notice that Tom's Hardware notes that Apple has refused to answer questions about their dead pixel return policy is.

Belinea: far from zero
Will not change a panel if dead on the edge or in the middle of panel.

CTX: 2 lit, 2 unlit or 4 color
Will not change a panel if dead on the edge or in the middle of panel.

Deawoo: wouldn't answer Tom's Hardware Questionnaire

Dell: it's eight or four in a row ... straight line ... connected (but then there's the 100% Satisfaction Guarantee that gets you off the hook - a lot of other outlets don't provide this (Santa) clause.

EIZO: see Tom's Hardware article (far far from Zero)
different on 15 and 17 and 19" monitors.
Will not change a panel if dead on the edge or in the middle of panel.

HP: http://wwss1pro.compaq.com/sup...mp;dt=3&docid=8235

IBM: http://www-1.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?rs=0&org=psg&doc=MIGR-4U9P53&loc=en-us

NEC-Mitsubishi: http://www.necmitsubishi.com/s...NMDA_dead_pixel_wp.pdf

Sony far from Zero
Will not change a panel if dead on the edge or in the middle of panel.

Viewsonic: see web site for LCD Pixel Criteria: http://www.viewsonic.com/suppo...ic=lcd&question=01

There's more reading for those who want to pursue this subject at a number of other web sites. Just Google yourself around the Net. I particularly like the Title of this one:
Better Dead Than Red! at http://www.apcmag.com/apc/v3.n...738DC7CA256E3800076FBE


If anyone else has any interesting links to manufacturers and their dead pixel policies, please take the opportunity to post it so we can compare.

Phew.

- Sadhu
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Sadhu-
Do you have a link or something to the Dell 100% Satisfaction guarantee?

Also in relation to samsung, I could never find a link for it either, but their policy for sure as of this summer was that you had 7-10 days I believe to call them and request a replacement from the purchase date if you had a problem with bad pixels. I dont think they ever advertised this, but if you called them they would do it. Not sure if they still offer that or not.
 

ScottFern

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Well my observations so far have been:

1) Most people are getting monitors with no backlight issues as of late
2) Most people are getting some stuck pixels more than dead ones
3) It takes 4 or 5 monitors to get no stuck/dead pixels
4) Dell QC is HORRIBLE
5) Dell will take back almost any LCD for any reason

Just trying to get a general consensus of what to expect from Dell.

My only question I am still battling with is, should I keep returning this monitor until I get one without 1 stuck or dead pixel?
 

Sadhu

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Originally posted by: halcy
Sadhu-
Do you have a link or something to the Dell 100% Satisfaction guarantee?

Also in relation to samsung, I could never find a link for it either, but their policy for sure as of this summer was that you had 7-10 days I believe to call them and request a replacement from the purchase date if you had a problem with bad pixels. I dont think they ever advertised this, but if you called them they would do it. Not sure if they still offer that or not.


Here it is:

Total Satisfaction Return Policy (U.S. Only)

We value our relationship with you and want to make sure that you're satisfied with your purchases. That's why we offer a Total Satisfaction return policy for most products that you, the end-user customer, purchase directly from Dell. Under this policy, you may return to Dell products that you purchased directly from Dell for a credit or a refund of the purchase price paid, less shipping and handling and applicable return fees as follows:

New Hardware Products and Accessories: Unless you have a separate agreement with Dell, all hardware, accessories, peripherals, parts and unopened software still in its/their sealed package, excluding the products listed below, may be returned within twenty-one (21) days from the date on the packing slip or invoice.

Exclusions from the foregoing return policy:

New PowerEdgeTM , PowerConnectTM and PowerVaultTM products may be returned within thirty (30) days from the date on the packing slip or invoice except that new PowerEdgeTM SC servers and n series products purchased from the Small and Medium Business Sales Division may only be returned within fourteen (14) days from the date on the packing slip or invoice.
Application software or an operating system that has been installed by Dell may not be returned unless you return the entire computer under the 21-day return policy, if applicable to your purchase (if not applicable to your purchase, you may not return application software or an operating system).
Non-defective third party and Dell-branded software, peripheral, electronics and accessory products (for example: televisions, printers, projectors, MP3 players, PDAs, battery chargers, un-preinstalled third party software, wireless cards/access points/routers), including but not limited to those sold by or through Dell's "Software & Peripherals" or "Electronics & Accessories" groups, may be returned within twenty-one (21) days from the date on the packing slip or invoice, but a fifteen percent (15%) return fee may be deducted from any refund or credit.
Dell/EMC storage products, EMC-branded products, Unisys-branded products, PowerVaultTM 160T tape libraries, enterprise software, non-Dell branded enterprise products, software and/or software licenses, or any non-Dell customized hardware and/or software product(s) may not be returned at any time.


Under Dell Hardware:
http://www1.us.dell.com/conten...amp;~section=010#total


 

Sadhu

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Originally posted by: ScottFern
Well my observations so far have been:

1) Most people are getting monitors with no backlight issues as of late
2) Most people are getting some stuck pixels more than dead ones
3) It takes 4 or 5 monitors to get no stuck/dead pixels
4) Dell QC is HORRIBLE
5) Dell will take back almost any LCD for any reason

Just trying to get a general consensus of what to expect from Dell.

My only question I am still battling with is, should I keep returning this monitor until I get one without 1 stuck or dead pixel?

I don't agree with you that Dell's QC is horrible. If you had taken any time to reseach other companies, or even read a tiny bit of what I just posted today, you would have realized that the accepeted industry NORM for an ISO Class 2 monitor is between 8 and 10 pixels. That's for all major manufacters, incvluding EIZO, Sony, Apple, Samsung, HP, and many others. Somewhere in your mind, you have fixated on the fact that you are somehow entitled to ZERO, and are willing to keep sending moitors back to Dell, even though it's highly unlikely that one or two or three pixels would even be an annoyance. For example, I have about seven pixels on the first 2001FP, and never even SEE them unless I go LOOKING for them, and even then, I have to look for sometime before I find them. I'm not sure why you feel you are entitled to a perfect monitor, when Dell and NO other manufacturers make any such claim (except for Philips, and they don't live up to their claim.

I'd be careful, if I were you. If you attempt to keep returning your monitors, your ploy to replace your one dead pixel monitor could eventually backfire on you, as Dell begins to wise up, after your 2nd or third return. You may suddnely find that a Customer Care rep puts you on hold, and someone comes on to verify the reason you are making your third or fourth return. At which point, it's entirely possible, and even probable that they will point out that the monitor you have with one two or three dead pixels MEETS the standard for a monitor NOT WORTHY of return (for that reason), and require you keep your monitor.

In which case, you will have returned one or two or three monitors that had only one stuck or dead pixel, and find that you will have to keep the final one that three, four, or five or more problem pixels. They will be within their rights to do that too.

Let me ask you this, seriously, and answer me honestly. Were you really able to see, most of the time ... while you were using your monitor ... where you able to SEE the one or two dead pixels you had? Sure you find it, but could you see them on a regular basis, without LOOKING FOR THEM delibrately? In other words, were they REALLY a bother or annoyance to you? If not, why MUST you return it?

In any case, it's wrong to say that Dell's QC sucks when it is clearly sending out monitors many of which have one, two or three problem pixels, a number which is FAR, FAR below the industry standard. Okay, some have NONE. But that's not the norm. That's not really to be EXPECTED? It's a great bonus, sure. But that's not the industry norm.

And here's something to stop and think about also. That some monitors get sold with a couple of dead pixels or stuck pixels, is, by the reason companies like Dell are able to lower the prices so that they are affordable. If, for example, manufactureres threw out EVERY PANEL that had one, two or three dead or stuck pixels, LCD monitors would be a heck of a lot more money to purchase. I suspect your 20" monitor would well over $1000, and perhaps EVEN more if EVERY panel HAD to be perfect.

Frankly, I don't understand where you are coming from at all. Let me change that, I think I do understand it. You want what you want. That doesn't mean it's a reasonable request.

 

ScottFern

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I am not even going to quote that whole mess of what you just wrote. However I appreciate the flame.

I do notice 2 stuck pixels when certain background colors are displayed, your right in the long haul it is not that much. But, when I hear people say that 1 week or 2 weeks into owning their new dell LCD that stuck/dead pixels are popping up that bothers me.

Fantastic, great, 1 or 2 stuck pixels won't matter in the long run, but when they start popping up say 4 or 5 at a time a month down the road that is unacceptable. I don't give a flying crap what you think, I am entitled to my opinion on what is acceptable. Last time I checked, Dell's return policy is "Total Satisfaction Return Policy". And if you don't believe me, I have proof because this exact issue came up on my older 2001FP. I had NO dead or stuck pixels out of the box, but 4 months later, I have 7 stuck pixels. What is that?

However, after reading your statements it did allow me to reevaluate sending back this monitor with its 2 stuck pixels. Oh, and for the record my first 2005FPW was indeed DEFECTIVE, it had a streak going down the entire screen.


 
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Sadhu-
You do need to realize some people are a lot more picky than yourself. I design graphics and do websites and its very important that what I see is what is really there. If I have to go hunting around the screen when I see something thats wrong then realize its a bad pixel thats VERY annoying.

Scott-
If you only have 2 bad pixels and they arent red, they are blue/green I'd just stick with it.. I mean I've seen 5 lcds and they have all had a bunch of problems....

 

exdeath

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The way I see it any flat panel that is going to cost more than $600 better have ZERO dead pixels.

When you pay premium prices you expect a premium product. For example if Im going to pay $900 for a 213T and it represents a flagship item, I expect it to be flawless and worth every penny.
 

imported_magicp

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The arguments about Dell QC are ridiculous. It's already been documented that LG makes the panels. If anything it's an LG or maybe a BenQ problem as I'm pretty sure they actually put the monitors together for Dell.

Sadhu, I can see where you are coming from, but if Dell was losing money, or they thought that it was unreasonable to continue to return these monitors after multiple replacements they would discontinue the policy. Dell is the one handing out 25% off coupons and $45 stackable coupons. If they truly were hurting from all of these returns and exchanges they would simply change their policy to include the "industry standards" you talk about. They will still continue to make money hand over fist because many people don't know to look for coupons and discounts from Dell. As far as they are concerned, Dell already has low prices compared to competitors and will happily pony up $800 for the latest and greatest monitor.

Personally, I'm receiving a pair of 2005FPWs tomorrow (Mon, Dec 20th). If I have a problem with either that isn't solvable using a bit of massage (like my 1900FP required when I received it about 16 months ago) I'll ask for replacement. If the replacement(s) aren't right by the second replacements I'll probably ask for an exchange for a pair of 2001FPs. I'm lucky though. Mine ship from Toledo and I live in a suburb on the east side of Toledo so my 21 days isn't eaten into as much by shipping time. I'll still have 19 days left to make a decision and most of that will be during Christmas break.
 
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magicp-
On the massage thing, how long did you have to rub the area to get the pixel to work correctly again? And do you consider yourself having to push pretty hard? I tried on all of mine and it didn't help at all =(
 

paulhaskew

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anywho... I posted about the brightness issue and an easy way to resolve it... shoot, I am posting this while using my Dell 2005FPW hooked up via DVI
 

bjc112

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Originally posted by: paulhaskew
anywho... I posted about the brightness issue and an easy way to resolve it... shoot, I am posting this while using my Dell 2005FPW hooked up via DVI

How is it?

No backlight Bleed?

NO Dead pixels?



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