Dell new 20" wide LCD 2005FPW. Has anyone seen this beast?

[imported_magicp]

Originally posted by: halcy
magicp-
On the massage thing, how long did you have to rub the area to get the pixel to work correctly again? And do you consider yourself having to push pretty hard? I tried on all of mine and it didn't help at all =(

I didn't press very hard at all. It was hard enough to slightly distort the area around that pixel, but not a lot. I was basically leaving a slight trail behind where my finger was, but it faded very fast. I only had to move over the affected pixels maybe 2-3 times before it popped back into shape. If you have to rub more than 5 seconds on the same area, it's not coming back.

 

[mikess2k]

While on the subject of touching the monitor, what do you guys use to clean the screen? The antiglare on this and my old Samsung lcd are really bad when it comes to keeping it super clean. Water?

 

[ScottFern]

Originally posted by: mikess2k
While on the subject of touching the monitor, what do you guys use to clean the screen? The antiglare on this and my old Samsung lcd are really bad when it comes to keeping it super clean. Water?

www.klearscreen.com

 

[Bigg]

So far, my 2005FWP is working great. No backlight issues. No pixel issues. My PC is in a den with 6 large windows. Yesterday I was using the PC during the day and the 2005FWP looked clear as could be even though there was plenty of sunlight in the room. I guess that extra brightness can come in handy.

 

[Sadhu]

However, after reading your statements it did allow me to reevaluate sending back this monitor with its 2 stuck pixels. Oh, and for the record my first 2005FPW was indeed DEFECTIVE, it had a streak going down the entire screen.


[/quote]

Scott,

I wasn't saying you shouldn't return it if bothered you. If it bothers you, I believe you SHOULD return it. I was just wondering if ... in the instance that you couldn't really see it, why you'd want to send it back, and run the risk of getting a replacement that had MORE problems. That's all.

By the way, I remember that you had that first really bad one too. Actually, I'm for returning anything that bothers anybody. I hope people don't misunderstand my position. I'm only wondering why anyone would want to return a monitor that wasn't bothersome. If I am not mistaken, and this isn't you, necessarily that I'm talking about, Scott, there are some that would return it just because it isn't perfect. Actually, I don't think you are in that category (especially after reading this recent message of yours.

And yes, I know they have a such the satisfaction guarantee. That's why I bought mine from Dell.

 

[Sadhu]

Originally posted by: halcy
Sadhu-
You do need to realize some people are a lot more picky than yourself. I design graphics and do websites and its very important that what I see is what is really there. If I have to go hunting around the screen when I see something thats wrong then realize its a bad pixel thats VERY annoying.

Scott-
If you only have 2 bad pixels and they arent red, they are blue/green I'd just stick with it.. I mean I've seen 5 lcds and they have all had a bunch of problems....

Yes, Halcy, I do web design also. Everyone does that, don't they (grin)? Maybe everyone doesn't use Photoshop ... yet. More and more common though, wrecking our living wage eventually, yes? "What do you mean, eventually?"

My point wasn't that you shouldn't return a monitor that you feel could be problematic for you. My point was ... if it wasn't problematic for you ... why then? I'm all for returning a monitor if you feel it is going to be "annoying."

I've got some dead pixels one of my 2001FP. They are scattered around, i.e., not clustered together. I don't find my editing in Photoshop to be problemtic with this kind of defect. Besides, we are talking about a single pixel, not grouped pixels problems. These imperfectios are SMALLER than a spec of dust. I'm merely trying to put this kind of defect in perspective. I don't think I'd probably ever have to worry about that kind of (level of ) accuracy in my web work, not even if I IBM was my client. Would you? One pixel?

Anyway, if one pixel is going to bother you, be my guest, return it. I just don't find that it is a bother to me. I don't even see it except when I decide to hunt for it, and even then, it may take me five to ten minutes to find it. For me, that kind of imperfection is definetly livable. Far be it from me, however, to imply you shouldn't return anything you aren't happy with.

Good luck in your web design. It's getting tougher all the time to make a living in this business. I think the key to success is to find ways to build for the "vertical market," as web sites are becoming just another commodity item, like toasters, or ... like computers. You know?

 

[Sadhu]

Originally posted by: magicp


Sadhu, I can see where you are coming from, but if Dell was losing money, or they thought that it was unreasonable to continue to return these monitors after multiple replacements they would discontinue the policy. Dell is the one handing out 25% off coupons and $45 stackable coupons. If they truly were hurting from all of these returns and exchanges they would simply change their policy to include the "industry standards" you talk about. They will still continue to make money hand over fist because many people don't know to look for coupons and discounts from Dell. As far as they are concerned, Dell already has low prices compared to competitors and will happily pony up $800 for the latest and greatest monitor.

Personally, I'm receiving a pair of 2005FPWs tomorrow (Mon, Dec 20th). If I have a problem with either that isn't solvable using a bit of massage (like my 1900FP required when I received it about 16 months ago) I'll ask for replacement. If the replacement(s) aren't right by the second replacements I'll probably ask for an exchange for a pair of 2001FPs. I'm lucky though. Mine ship from Toledo and I live in a suburb on the east side of Toledo so my 21 days isn't eaten into as much by shipping time. I'll still have 19 days left to make a decision and most of that will be during Christmas break.

Magicp,

I do know that they have an 8 pixel policy in place, which they COULD enforce, if they want to. They just don't want to do that. My guess is that they would gladly allow a customer to return several monitors on the 100% Satisfaction Guarentee ... but would not allow you to keep on doing this. They're OUT is the fact that do have this policy in place that they don't enforce right now that enables them to say that a monitor can only be returned for dead or stuck if it exceeds the ISO standard. I know they've let people return up to four times, but I doubt they'd let it just keep going .. and going and going. I'm quite glad that they are ... in general very liberal in their returns policy. It benefits all of us, surely.

Good luck on two dual 2005FPs! You're lucky with your location - on the shipping.

One thing I've found, by the way, is that Dell sales will often "give" you an upgrade to your "Ground" shipping. Every time I've ordered the monitor, I've asked what they can do for me on frieght. Perhaps I just have a great salesperson, but Dell has always been willing to upgrade shipping from ground to 2 Day Air EVERY time, i've asked for it. I don't think they will offer. You have to ask. I mention this because I think everyone SHOULD ask BEFORE you give your salesperson the sale. Just ask what they can do for you on shipping. I think the upgrade is something they have the latitude to give you.

 

[imported_halcy]

Originally posted by: Sadhu

Originally posted by: halcy
Sadhu-
You do need to realize some people are a lot more picky than yourself. I design graphics and do websites and its very important that what I see is what is really there. If I have to go hunting around the screen when I see something thats wrong then realize its a bad pixel thats VERY annoying.

Scott-
If you only have 2 bad pixels and they arent red, they are blue/green I'd just stick with it.. I mean I've seen 5 lcds and they have all had a bunch of problems....

Yes, Halcy, I do web design also. Everyone does that, don't they (grin)? Maybe everyone doesn't use Photoshop ... yet. More and more common though, wrecking our living wage eventually, yes? "What do you mean, eventually?"

My point wasn't that you shouldn't return a monitor that you feel could be problematic for you. My point was ... if it wasn't problematic for you ... why then? I'm all for returning a monitor if you feel it is going to be "annoying."

I've got some dead pixels one of my 2001FP. They are scattered around, i.e., not clustered together. I don't find my editing in Photoshop to be problemtic with this kind of defect. Besides, we are talking about a single pixel, not grouped pixels problems. These imperfectios are SMALLER than a spec of dust. I'm merely trying to put this kind of defect in perspective. I don't think I'd probably ever have to worry about that kind of (level of ) accuracy in my web work, not even if I IBM was my client. Would you? One pixel?

Anyway, if one pixel is going to bother you, be my guest, return it. I just don't find that it is a bother to me. I don't even see it except when I decide to hunt for it, and even then, it may take me five to ten minutes to find it. For me, that kind of imperfection is definetly livable. Far be it from me, however, to imply you shouldn't return anything you aren't happy with.

Good luck in your web design. It's getting tougher all the time to make a living in this business. I think the key to success is to find ways to build for the "vertical market," as web sites are becoming just another commodity item, like toasters, or ... like computers. You know?

I've decided to focus primarily on web programming first, which is still a very highly payed position, then I do design/graphics as an asside to that. Its been working out well so far.

 

[imported_halcy]

Originally posted by: Sadhu

Originally posted by: halcy
Sadhu-
You do need to realize some people are a lot more picky than yourself. I design graphics and do websites and its very important that what I see is what is really there. If I have to go hunting around the screen when I see something thats wrong then realize its a bad pixel thats VERY annoying.

Scott-
If you only have 2 bad pixels and they arent red, they are blue/green I'd just stick with it.. I mean I've seen 5 lcds and they have all had a bunch of problems....

Yes, Halcy, I do web design also. Everyone does that, don't they (grin)? Maybe everyone doesn't use Photoshop ... yet. More and more common though, wrecking our living wage eventually, yes? "What do you mean, eventually?"

My point wasn't that you shouldn't return a monitor that you feel could be problematic for you. My point was ... if it wasn't problematic for you ... why then? I'm all for returning a monitor if you feel it is going to be "annoying."

I've got some dead pixels one of my 2001FP. They are scattered around, i.e., not clustered together. I don't find my editing in Photoshop to be problemtic with this kind of defect. Besides, we are talking about a single pixel, not grouped pixels problems. These imperfectios are SMALLER than a spec of dust. I'm merely trying to put this kind of defect in perspective. I don't think I'd probably ever have to worry about that kind of (level of ) accuracy in my web work, not even if I IBM was my client. Would you? One pixel?

Anyway, if one pixel is going to bother you, be my guest, return it. I just don't find that it is a bother to me. I don't even see it except when I decide to hunt for it, and even then, it may take me five to ten minutes to find it. For me, that kind of imperfection is definetly livable. Far be it from me, however, to imply you shouldn't return anything you aren't happy with.

Good luck in your web design. It's getting tougher all the time to make a living in this business. I think the key to success is to find ways to build for the "vertical market," as web sites are becoming just another commodity item, like toasters, or ... like computers. You know?

I've decided to focus primarily on web programming first, which is still a very highly payed position, then I do design/graphics as an asside to that. Its been working out well so far.

 

[imported_magicp]

Originally posted by: Sadhu
One thing I've found, by the way, is that Dell sales will often "give" you an upgrade to your "Ground" shipping. Every time I've ordered the monitor, I've asked what they can do for me on frieght. Perhaps I just have a great salesperson, but Dell has always been willing to upgrade shipping from ground to 2 Day Air EVERY time, i've asked for it. I don't think they will offer. You have to ask. I mention this because I think everyone SHOULD ask BEFORE you give your salesperson the sale. Just ask what they can do for you on shipping. I think the upgrade is something they have the latitude to give you.

I've never actually called Dell for anything. I've bought a 1900FP, PowerEdge 400SC, a PowerConnect switch and a pair of optical drives from them in the past all using the web, mostly because it was easier that way. I might trying calling in the future just to see what I can convince them into.

 

[paulhaskew]

Originally posted by: bjc112

Originally posted by: paulhaskew
anywho... I posted about the brightness issue and an easy way to resolve it... shoot, I am posting this while using my Dell 2005FPW hooked up via DVI

How is it?

No backlight Bleed?

NO Dead pixels?



Hope you like it.

Its working flawless, minus the whole too bright issue, which was easily fixed. I have no backlight bleeding, black is black is black No dead/stuck pixels... (knocking on wood furiously)

Anywho, its a great monitor

 

[imported_magicp]

Wow, is all I can say. They showed up tonight, about an hour ago and after I ate some dinner I installed them. I spent some time after they were hooked up looking for bad pixels and backlight problems.

Neither had backlight problems. Both had two stuck subpixels each, and I tell ya, those suckers are very difficult to find on these compared to my 1900FP. During normal use I'll probably never be able to tell. I had to go to a completely black background to be able to pick them up, and even then I had to be basically smooching the screen to see them. No dead pixels at all.

I tried them in portrait mode too. Holy cow, these things seem so long that way, and with them right next to each other the screen just looks enormous. I'm sticking with them in landscape mode as I work better that way.

I have both hooked up via DVI. Very sharp picture and no real problem in my mind. The dead subpixels won't bother me unless more and more start to appear after a while.

 

[Sadhu]

Originally posted by: magicp

I have both hooked up via DVI. Very sharp picture and no real problem in my mind. The dead subpixels won't bother me unless more and more start to appear after a while.

I haven't had any new ones show up. Of course, I don't know how common it is to have more pop-up. But, as I said, I haven't had any and it's been several weeks.

I would be curious to know how many Forum members have had any "additional" pop-up after several weeks (on the 2005) or months of use on the 2001FP?

Glad to hear you monitor is cool, Magicp. Sent you a private message too.

 

[ponyo]

My 2001FP had 2 dead pixels when I bought it. It's been one year now and I still have 2 dead pixels. Usually dead pixels don't "pop up." It was there before but user probably missed it.

 

[imported_magicp]

Originally posted by: Sadhu

Originally posted by: magicp

I have both hooked up via DVI. Very sharp picture and no real problem in my mind. The dead subpixels won't bother me unless more and more start to appear after a while.

I haven't had any new ones show up. Of course, I don't know how common it is to have more pop-up. But, as I said, I haven't had any and it's been several weeks.

A couple of people on HardForum were complaining about it a few weeks back. After seeing how difficult it can be to see dead/stuck pixels I wonder if maybe they just didn't notice them the first time they checked. If they are viewing their monitors from arms length, like they should be, they'd have a tough time seeing them.

Well, I'm off. I need to find a decent 3360x1050 wallpaper. So far it hasn't been easy.

EDIT: Naustica, exactly. With them being so difficult to find, they easily could have passed them up the first time through. I know I certainly didn't go over the panel with a fine toothed comb. I'll have a better idea how these really affect anything when I get started on some more web design work later this week. I don't think they will, but I'll report back for those who think it'll make a difference.

 

[golemite]

for those interested in using it occasionally as an HDTV, here's some pictures i took of it hooked up to my VOOM receiver via DVI. looks pretty darn good, though some channels still seem too bright...

http://ochen.raidgroup.net/pics/wide/voom1.jpg
http://ochen.raidgroup.net/pics/wide/voom2.jpg

guess i need a DVI switch box now

 

[imported_halcy]

Originally posted by: Sadhu

Originally posted by: magicp

I have both hooked up via DVI. Very sharp picture and no real problem in my mind. The dead subpixels won't bother me unless more and more start to appear after a while.

I haven't had any new ones show up. Of course, I don't know how common it is to have more pop-up. But, as I said, I haven't had any and it's been several weeks.

I would be curious to know how many Forum members have had any "additional" pop-up after several weeks (on the 2005) or months of use on the 2001FP?

Glad to hear you monitor is cool, Magicp. Sent you a private message too.

The 2005fpw i was planning on keeping had 1 green subpixel locked in the on state... after 2 weeks I noticed another green and blue one had locked on. I know for a fact these were new because I scanned the monitor with a fine toothed comb when I got it. Also it developed the dreaded circuitry whine when it turns on... its headed back tommorow.

 

[dc5]

Originally posted by: golemite
for those interested in using it occasionally as an HDTV, here's some pictures i took of it hooked up to my VOOM receiver via DVI. looks pretty darn good, though some channels still seem too bright...

http://ochen.raidgroup.net/pics/wide/voom1.jpg
http://ochen.raidgroup.net/pics/wide/voom2.jpg

guess i need a DVI switch box now

i'm jealous.

 

[Bigg]

Generally I would agree, but I don't feel this is a "premium" product. It's a 20" widescreen LCD for around $600. The Apple screen, which apparently uses the same panel technology from LG, costs twice as much. The Samsung costs $1400 more.

If a pixel(s) bothers you, by all means return it. That's why they have the policy. And I dont't blame Dell for repackaging some units. Heck, some customers are so picky that the problem may not be an issue with another customer.

But if I had a bright green one while the screen was off, I would probably send it back also.

 

[Sadhu]

Originally posted by: Bigg
Generally I would agree, but I don't feel this is a "premium" product. It's a 20" widescreen LCD for around $600. The Apple screen, which apparently uses the same panel technology from LG, costs twice as much. The Samsung costs $1400 more.

Quite right. I believe you are pointing out something that many don't see, and it's a relivant point in many ways.

The interesting fact is that even these high end monitors are not universally free of defects, AND they have a returns policy that doesn't guarentee zero problems. I'm not saying and never intended to say that one should be happy with bad pixels Originally, I was only trying to lay down some perspective on the issue of pixels, like you have done here.

Send your monitors back if you are not happy, by all means. In other words, some perspective on this issue is always a good thing despite what you feel you need to do in the final analysis.

 

[imported_driver]

Dell Small Business has a new coupon:

30% off, with coupon code K8DT8B0WQLBDT5
Dell 2005FPW 20in widescreen Digital LCD Flat Panel 600:1 contrast ratio, 12ms response, DVI, Svideo, Composite Video $799 - 30% = $559.30, $14 shipping.

 

[antialias2000]

Just joined so I could post my experience, I only have 1 dead blue subpixel which I have to really look for in normal viewing to notice. My backlight seems to be quite even, but I do see the purple cast on black screens when viewing from an extreme angle, though that seems to be fairly common on lcd screens from my experience in the past. I'm quite pleased with it so far. I have a couple of questions. I'm hooking up a gamecube to the composite input, and I know some gamecube games support progressive scan, from what I've read online this requires a digital or hdtv set to display, is it possible for progressive scan to work on the 2005? Another question, I'm on a powermac g5 with an ati 9600xt, is it possible to use the vertical orientation in osx? I probably would rarely use it, but am just curious to try it out if possible. I have the "ati displays" panel, but it doesn't seem to have a rotation option.

 

[golemite]

I'm hooking up a gamecube to the composite input, and I know some gamecube games support progressive scan, from what I've read online this requires a digital or hdtv set to display, is it possible for progressive scan to work on the 2005?

I don't think so, because the only way (i know of) to get progressive scan out of the Gamecube is with component cables and the Dell does not have any support for them..

 

[sscamatt]

Ordered my 2005FPW on 12/15...scheduled to ship today...get an email this afternoon:

"We have reviewed your order. Although we had anticipated being able to ship your order sooner, we are experiencing an unexpected delay with your order and will not be able to ship this order and any associated orders until on or before 01-05-2005."

WONDERFUL, so i call up the number, talk to some indian lady who has no clue whats going on, she says it will ship today, as the dell website still states, but i kept insisting that i got an email that says its been delayed and she didnt seem to understand, after trying to explain that I recieved an email that says it's been delayed and I want to know why, she says "Holy days". Well that tells me a lot.

Big demand, or could Dell possibly worked out the backlit problem and created revision A01 and is stopping shipments until they are done?

 

[imported_halcy]

Originally posted by: sscamatt
Ordered my 2005FPW on 12/15...scheduled to ship today...get an email this afternoon:

"We have reviewed your order. Although we had anticipated being able to ship your order sooner, we are experiencing an unexpected delay with your order and will not be able to ship this order and any associated orders until on or before 01-05-2005."

WONDERFUL, so i call up the number, talk to some indian lady who has no clue whats going on, she says it will ship today, as the dell website still states, but i kept insisting that i got an email that says its been delayed and she didnt seem to understand, after trying to explain that I recieved an email that says it's been delayed and I want to know why, she says "Holy days". Well that tells me a lot.

Big demand, or could Dell possibly worked out the backlit problem and created revision A01 and is stopping shipments until they are done?

I wouldnt count on A01... although I'm sure someone there has noticed the huge amount of returns cuz of jacked panels...