Originally posted by: Excelsior
THIS is drool-worthy.
Originally posted by: darkswordsman17
I believe the company that makes the panel and the company that actually manufactures the monitor can be different. There are I believe 3 different main panel manuf. and other companies just buy the panel from them but make the LCD how they want to.
I think its LG, Samsung, and I forget who the last big panel maker is. BenQ just makes the base/case and then puts the panel in it.
Originally posted by: Nebor
Originally posted by: Excelsior
THIS is drool-worthy.
That's worthy of an entirely different bodily fluid....
Originally posted by: Excelsior
THIS is drool-worthy.
Originally posted by: mdahc
I used to work for Dell, and they told us that BenQ makes all of the current Ultrasharp panels (I even called them as a consumer and specifically asked about the 2001fp since a friend of mine wanted to know who makes it and they told me the same thing). So unless Dell's S&P tech support was lying to me, then Anandtech is incorrect.
2005FPW / DELL? - LG
(Model No / Brand Name) (Basic Model)
* Manufactured at :
LG Electronics, Inc.
* Test site at :
PCTEST Engineering Laboratory, Inc.
* Responsible Party for Product Compliance :
LG Electronics U.S.A Inc.
2000 Millbrook Dr. Lincolnshire, IL 60069, U.S.A
Tel)847-941-8373
* Manufacturer Information :
LG Electronics Inc.
642, Jinpyeong-dong, Gumi-city, GyeongBuk, 730-727 Korea.
Originally posted by: jpthomas
Originally posted by: Excelsior
THIS is drool-worthy.
How the heck can you find anything with that many icons on your desktop??
:Q
Originally posted by: trikster2
is the 2005FPW being made by LG good or bad?
Originally posted by: Ackmed
Why do they say its out now, but not on their site? Ugh.
So is the increased widscreen display of the 2005 vs 2001, only about 10% larger.Originally posted by: miks23
The 2001FP increased screen size is really minimal.
You will still get black bars on most movies and HD TV shows, since movies typically have an AR of 1.85 or 2.35, while HD TV shows are 16:9, whereas the 2005 is 16:10. And computer applications and games are really AR agnostic. You may see 80 more pixels left/right in a game, but you're also losing 150 pixels top/bottom.There will be no black bars for widescreen application on a 2005FPW making it considerably "larger" for movie watching or any other applications supporting the 16:9 widescreen aspect ratio.
4:3 may be phased out as the standard viewing ratio for TVs in a decade, depending on whether people are willing to replace hundreds of millions of TVs. And 2006 was supposed to be deadline when broadcast stations switch to digital broadcasts only, but that's been pushed back to 2009 at the earliest. And full HD acceptance is even further away.My take on the situation is that widescreen is where things are going. 4:3 will be phased out in the not so distant future, so if you can deal with black bars with older apps why not go with it, greater longevity. I heard something about a 2006 HD Standard that all tv's must abide by. Anyone else hear about this?
LOL, those of us who have been around the hot deal sites are well aware of Dell's tactics and marketing. The only time most people around here buy Dell is when they make a price mistake or they are doing their blowout sales at the end of their quarter. They are constantly changing their prices and their upgrade prices on business systems like the Precision are outragous because they are selling to businesses. More than a few people have ordered Dimensions for less than $100 in their outlet section at the end of the quarter when they have multiple discounts and free shipping.Originally posted by: mdahc
Oh yeah, I say something you don't agree with, and I'm automatically a disgruntled employee. I actually didn't mind working there. I got paid rather well to sit around and even sleep sometimes, meanwhile I didn't ever have to think either. If a customer got pissed at you, it wasn't really your problem since managers don't really care and since that customer was usually safely a couple hundred or even thousand miles away. Just transfer away until it the customer finally gets tired of calling (if they're not buying, let them get tied up in the system).
For those of you who refuse to listen, consider this. Dell offers two main "Workstation" lines under their Small and Medium Business site, one called Precision and one n Series. Take a look at the Precision 670 and compare it to the 670n. There is no hardware difference at all, unless you consider the labels hardware. The only difference is the operating system, the Precision 670 ships with Windows and the 670n ships with Red Hat Linux WS. Of course, Red Hat Linux WS licenses are more expensive than Windows licenses. However, this doesn't explain why Dell charges more to upgrade the base processor on the 670n series than on the Precision 670 series ($415 extra for a 3.2GHz base Xeon processor, marked "Great Value" in green on the 670n, versus $350 for the same CPU on the Precision 670).
Or how about an explanation as to why they charge $109 to upgrade from a 48x CD-ROM to a DVD/CDRW combo drive or a 48x CDRW only (yes, this is really low priced) on the Precision 670 and $119 for the same drive on the 670n (and the same drive can be had for $69 on the Optiplex GX280).
How about this...it costs $150 for a single 512MB SODIMM of Infineon DDR333 on the Inspiron 5160 and 1150 whereas it costs $100 for the same memory on the Inspiron 9200 (all on the Home and Home Office website). Yes, what a great low cost value.
Wake up people.
Originally posted by: Ackmed
It just now came up on their site, for $679. The day AFTER I ordered a 2001FP.
Originally posted by: jpthomas
Originally posted by: Ackmed
It just now came up on their site, for $679. The day AFTER I ordered a 2001FP.
I just bought the 2001fp too, but I think it fits my needs a little better than the 2005fp. I don't watch movies on my computer, and not that many games support widescreen, so the 2001 was a better choice for me.
Originally posted by: miks23
The 2001FP increased screen size is really minimal. I have a 2001FP and I ordered a 2005FPW today. I'll compare them both and post my findings. I gotta see which one I keep.
The 2001FP should not be able to do widescreen just as well as the 2005FPW. The 2001FP has a native resolution of 1600x1200 or a 4:3 (full screen) aspect ratio, the 2005FPW is native 1680x1050 or 16:9 (widescreen) aspect ratio. There will be no black bars for widescreen application on a 2005FPW making it considerably "larger" for movie watching or any other applications supporting the 16:9 widescreen aspect ratio.
Resolutions can be forced through drivers, on the 2005FPW there should be black bars on the left and right when viewing applications in 4:3. This is the only downfall.
My take on the situation is that widescreen is where things are going. 4:3 will be phased out in the not so distant future, so if you can deal with black bars with older apps why not go with it, greater longevity. I heard something about a 2006 HD Standard that all tv's must abide by. Anyone else hear about this?
Mike
Hope we see a 2005fpw review soon...
Originally posted by: Skylander
Originally posted by: jpthomas
Originally posted by: Ackmed
It just now came up on their site, for $679. The day AFTER I ordered a 2001FP.
I just bought the 2001fp too, but I think it fits my needs a little better than the 2005fp. I don't watch movies on my computer, and not that many games support widescreen, so the 2001 was a better choice for me.
I agree. I just got the new Dell system with the 2001FP LCD. When I first heard about the wide-screen 2005FPW, I was hestitated to change it (I still own the machine less than 21 days). But after I read both user guide. I think 2001FP is better to keep.
2001FP is a little bigger. F2001FP and 2005FPW have the same horiizontal viewable angle. Some people said 2005FPW has better angle which is not true. Both have USB 2.0. Although 2005FPW has less than 1 inch wider, it has not much advantage. 2005FPW is partially 12ms only. According to their user guide, it's "12ms typical (Grey to Grey) / 16ms typical (Black to White)".
As I see, the response time on my 2001FP is very good during I play Doom3 in 1600x1200. I am comfortable with it. The only advantages for 2005FPW are contrast ratio and Luminance output.
On the other hand, I think the gaming resolution still unknown on 2005FPW. In addition, 2005FPW is 16:10 (not 16:9). You might still see a black bar on the screen during you are watching movie on 2005FPW.
Lastly, I personally think that 2001FP has a better design. Especially the stand. 2005FPW seems a little cheap. In the design point of view, 2001FP has better looking. You can determine by yourself by see the link below.
Here is the user guide of 2005FPW:
http://support.dell.com/suppor...5FPW/English/index.htm
2001FP
http://support.dell.com/suppor...rs/2001FP/EN/INDEX.HTM
Vince
Originally posted by: Skylander
Originally posted by: jpthomas
Originally posted by: Ackmed
It just now came up on their site, for $679. The day AFTER I ordered a 2001FP.
I just bought the 2001fp too, but I think it fits my needs a little better than the 2005fp. I don't watch movies on my computer, and not that many games support widescreen, so the 2001 was a better choice for me.
I agree. I just got the new Dell system with the 2001FP LCD. When I first heard about the wide-screen 2005FPW, I was hestitated to change it (I still own the machine less than 21 days). But after I read both user guide. I think 2001FP is better to keep.
2001FP is a little bigger. F2001FP and 2005FPW have the same horiizontal viewable angle. Some people said 2005FPW has better angle which is not true. Both have USB 2.0. Although 2005FPW has less than 1 inch wider, it has not much advantage. 2005FPW is partially 12ms only. According to their user guide, it's "12ms typical (Grey to Grey) / 16ms typical (Black to White)".
As I see, the response time on my 2001FP is very good during I play Doom3 in 1600x1200. I am comfortable with it. The only advantages for 2005FPW are contrast ratio and Luminance output.
On the other hand, I think the gaming resolution still unknown on 2005FPW. In addition, 2005FPW is 16:10 (not 16:9). You might still see a black bar on the screen during you are watching movie on 2005FPW.
Lastly, I personally think that 2001FP has a better design. Especially the stand. 2005FPW seems a little cheap. In the design point of view, 2001FP has better looking. You can determine by yourself by see the link below.
Here is the user guide of 2005FPW:
http://support.dell.com/suppor...5FPW/English/index.htm
2001FP
http://support.dell.com/suppor...rs/2001FP/EN/INDEX.HTM
Vince