Dell new 20" wide LCD 2005FPW. Has anyone seen this beast?

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marinos

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Camus 2 do these graphics cards support 1680x1050 DVI. and, if yes, how do you know that?
 

Camus2

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Thanks everybody for you're putting up with my lack of information and my general lack of knowledge.

To answer Sadhu's question; I'm not really a gamer now and don't plan on becoming one in the near future (although it looks pretty cool!) I will probably do a bunch of stuff in Photoshop because I'm getting in to that right now and I'm looking in to ways to manipulate images in a digital medium. So, its probably that and watching TV and DVD's on my monitor that will be the most graphics heavy stuff.

I still have the general confusion about the whole supported resolution thing, though. It seems to me that this weirdo resolution (more common in the Apple Cinema monitors I found from trying to do internet searches) is just not supported that well by drivers yet. For instance, I think the 9800 pro sounds like a great card and is definitely pretty new and powerful, but this resolution is not listed as a display mode that is supported. If you look at the display mode specifications listed for the 9800 pro they are:

Monitor Resolution Hz
640x480 200
800x600 200
1024x768 200
1152x864 200
1280x1024 160
1600x1200 120
1920x1080* 16:9 120
1920x1200 100
1920x1440 90
2048x1536 85

*16:9 aspect ratio monitors are supported on 1920x1080 and 848x480 on Windows® XP, Windows® 2000 and Windows® ME. The complete list of resolutions depends on the driver version and operating system. NOTE: resolutions are limited by the performance of the attached monitor.

Now its that last note that makes it seem like this is just a driver issue and makes it unclear if there is even a driver that will do it for this card. If you look at the display mode specifications for my old Radeon VE (7000) they are listed as this:

Monitor Resolution 256 colors 65K colors 16.7M colors
640x480 200 200 200
800x600 200 200 200
1024x768 200 200 200
1152x864 160 160 160
1280x1024 120 120 120
1600x1200 100 100 100
1920x1080 90 90 90
1920x1200 90 90 90
1920x1440 75 75 75
2048x1536 60 60 60
Resolution and refresh rates are subject to change.

Now, I'm just a guy who doesn't know anything about anything and is just looking at a bunch of numbers, but these numbers are all about the same. My card is definitely capable of display high resolutions. I can certainly understand why an old graphics card couldn't process graphics heavy applications like the new games, but it seems to me that is should be able to display a native resoltion like that of the 2005fpw. At least it seems to me that it would be able to if the 9800 pro was able to anyway.

Am I wrong on this? Just trying to learn more about how all this works. Thanks
 

imported_TheReaper

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Originally posted by: marinos
Camus 2 do these graphics cards support 1680x1050 DVI. and, if yes, how do you know that?

Honestly, I don't know for a fact that the 9800 non-pro supports that res, but it likely does. I have a 9800 pro in my 2nd pc, so I know that one does. I'm running a 6800 GT in my primary gaming pc, and know it works also. The 6600 series is new enough that I'm sure it would be OK. As I understand it, support of this resolution by your video card is a combination of whether you have that resolution available (or can custom define it) and also whether your card is capable of displaying it proficiently. For example, it might work just fine on an older 9700, but games run at unplayable fps, even with bells and whistles turned off.

Some of the others here can probably answer that better than me... I'm just an humble gamer.
 

Camus2

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Thanks again. I'm really just trying to get my computer to display in the 2005fpw's native resolution so that I can get a good look at it right now. For one this might make a difference as to whether I keep it or not and secondly, since I'm not playing any games at all and don't really need to worry about frames per second (In which case I would just put the monitor in another resolution, I guess) I'd like to just limp my system along for a little while until I'm ready to get a new card. Anyway, thanks for the input and I'll post again if I figure anything out by just screwing around with stuff.
 

JasonLP

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Originally posted by: Camus2
Thanks again. I'm really just trying to get my computer to display in the 2005fpw's native resolution so that I can get a good look at it right now.

You can get an idea of what it will look like at native resolution by setting your video card to a lower resolution (1280x1024, for instance), and setting the monitor to display in 1:1 mode. (This is the Scaling option under the Image Settings menu.) With this mode, you will get black bars on the sides (small ones on the top and bottom, too), but the monitor will be displaying the viewable screen in native resolution.


 

Camus2

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Good idea JasonLP. I don't know if you looked back in this thread at all, but I stayed home for a little while from work to receive the shipment this morning then could only stay long enough to set it up and check it out quickly before I had to split for work. I didn't really get a chance to totally check it out.

I was kinda dissapointed about it stretching everything out, though. I was hoping that programs would handle the widescreen by having it centered and I did see some scrteen shots of people that had gotten explorer this way I thought. I'll have to check this out too.

Also, unlike the Samsung monitors that I was checking out Dell didn't send any of the software that is required to make the screen pivot when you pivot the screen 45 degrees. I tried to look around for that for a while today too with no luck. In a Dell support site the guy just says "look on ATI's site for a portrait/landscape driver." in answer to someone else. Well, thanks for all your help, dude! As it happens I tried that and a bunch of other search terms with no luck.
 

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Originally posted by: Camus2
Good idea JasonLP. I don't know if you looked back in this thread at all, but I stayed home for a little while from work to receive the shipment this morning then could only stay long enough to set it up and check it out quickly before I had to split for work. I didn't really get a chance to totally check it out.

I was kinda dissapointed about it stretching everything out, though. I was hoping that programs would handle the widescreen by having it centered and I did see some scrteen shots of people that had gotten explorer this way I thought. I'll have to check this out too.

Also, unlike the Samsung monitors that I was checking out Dell didn't send any of the software that is required to make the screen pivot when you pivot the screen 45 degrees. I tried to look around for that for a while today too with no luck. In a Dell support site the guy just says "look on ATI's site for a portrait/landscape driver." in answer to someone else. Well, thanks for all your help, dude! As it happens I tried that and a bunch of other search terms with no luck.

Both my ATI and Nvidia drivers support rotating the screen 90 degrees, you don't need any extra software that I know of. Download the latest drivers and look under "display properties" "Settings" "advanced". For nvidia the setting is called "NVRotate" I'm not sure what it is called for ATI, I'll look when I get home (if I remember).

Nothing that I know if supports a 45 degree rotation, just multiples of 90 degrees.







 

JasonLP

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Both my ATI and Nvidia drivers support rotating the screen 90 degrees, you don't need any extra software that I know of. Download the latest drivers and look under "display properties" "Settings" "advanced". For nvidia the setting is called "NVRotate" I'm not sure what it is called for ATI, I'll look when I get home (if I remember).

Nothing that I know if supports a 45 degree rotation, just multiples of 90 degrees.

I don't know about ATI, but I set up my Nvidia driver to toggle between portrait and landscape mode with a hotkey (I set it to ctrl-alt-r). Very handy. Just turn the screen and hit a key. Very convenient.

Now only if it remembered my desktop icon locations between rotations....

 

batmanuel

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Camus2,

Just about any card will run your desktop at 1680x1050 if you go into the device manager and update the monitor driver with the .inf file that comes on the CD that Dell sends out with the monitor. Once you do that, you ought to be able to select the correct resolution in under your display properties. I've gotten the 2005FPW to work fine with both a FireGL 8800 and a X300, so a Radeon 9800 should be fine so long as you install the right driver for the monitor. The latest Catalyst drivers from ATi seem to already have the necessary resolution in there even without installing the driver, so you may not even have to do that with a R9800.

In games, it is a different matter. For some you have to do some hacking around with configuration files to get the proper resolution, while others (even some older games like MDK2) can just get a list of available resolution from Windows. It just depends upon the game.

And on another note, you can set the ATi driver to rotate when a hotkey is pressed just like you can with the nVidia driver. You can also right click on the ATi taskbar Icon to get to your rotation settings.
 

marinos

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batmanuel, that is good news. So, let's say that I will intall a DVI-ADD (agp digital display) card to my intel motherboard so as to have DVI output; the maximum resolution of this card is 1600x1200 according to its specification information. Do you think that with the .inf file that comes with the Dell CD I will manage to adjust the resolution to 1680x1050?
 

batmanuel

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Originally posted by: marinos
batmanuel, that is good news. So, let's say that I will intall a DVI-ADD (agp digital display) card to my intel motherboard so as to have DVI output; the maximum resolution of this card is 1600x1200 according to its specification information. Do you think that with the .inf file that comes with the Dell CD I will manage to adjust the resolution to 1680x1050?

I really don't see a problem. 1680x1050 is actually a bit less taxing on a card than 16x12, as there are less total pixels when you do the math. The only thing I haven't been able to make work with the Dell driver is a laptop with an old Rage Mobility graphics chip, which was an out of date technology when I got the laptop back in 2001. Any relatively new card should be fine. Remember, Apple runs their 20" iMacs (which have the same resolution as the 2005FPW) off of a 64MB GeForce FX 5200, which is a pretty low end card. I'd say that just about any add-in card above a Radeon 9200 that has at least 64MB of RAM ought to do just fine. A Radeon 9600/9800 would be best with this display as they tend to have the best DVI output quality thanks to ATi's superb integrated digital transmitter.
 

trikster2

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Originally posted by: trikster2
Originally posted by: Camus2
Good idea JasonLP. I don't know if you looked back in this thread at all, but I stayed home for a little while from work to receive the shipment this morning then could only stay long enough to set it up and check it out quickly before I had to split for work. I didn't really get a chance to totally check it out.

I was kinda dissapointed about it stretching everything out, though. I was hoping that programs would handle the widescreen by having it centered and I did see some scrteen shots of people that had gotten explorer this way I thought. I'll have to check this out too.

Also, unlike the Samsung monitors that I was checking out Dell didn't send any of the software that is required to make the screen pivot when you pivot the screen 45 degrees. I tried to look around for that for a while today too with no luck. In a Dell support site the guy just says "look on ATI's site for a portrait/landscape driver." in answer to someone else. Well, thanks for all your help, dude! As it happens I tried that and a bunch of other search terms with no luck.

Both my ATI and Nvidia drivers support rotating the screen 90 degrees, you don't need any extra software that I know of. Download the latest drivers and look under "display properties" "Settings" "advanced". For nvidia the setting is called "NVRotate" I'm not sure what it is called for ATI, I'll look when I get home (if I remember).

Nothing that I know if supports a 45 degree rotation, just multiples of 90 degrees.


Just checked my ATI card at home

Display properties Settings Advanced Rotation tab

No software just get the latest drivers
 

Camus2

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Hey I went home last night and did some work on the new toy.

For one issue, I did download the latest drivers from ATI at work yesterday and installed them at home (unfortunately no internet connection there yet.) This made the rotation tab come up in the advanced area of the display properties, which rotated the screen fine and did have a hot key. One weird thing, though, when the screen is rotated and I pivot the display to portrait the mouse still goes the same directions it did before. In other words, now I have to move the mouse right to go up etc... This is really annoying and kinda renders working in any application in the portrait mode useless. Am I missing something here?

Is there a way to make the mouse movements sync up with the new portrait mode?

Also, I did search for drivers from the CD Dell sent (or rather it did it automatically - I suppose I could go back and make sure that it grabbed the right one), but it still didn't install the native resolution. This unsurprising since my card is old (I think someone back along thought I might have been talking about a 9700, but its actually a 7000 or a Readeon VE.) I did find a program called powerstrip that allows you to create your own custom resolutions and interestingly enough I was able to install that in to my display preferences along with the correct vertical and horizantal scan rates and correct refresh rates. That was pretty cool. I do have to say, though, that it still doesn't look that good to me. The text is a weird size and thickness and things are a little distorted looking, but I'm still playing around with the preferences.

In Powerstrip I could set it up for different aspect ratios and I set it up for 16:10. That's correct for this monitor isn't it?

I seem to remember someone saying that the ratio is actually 16:10 for these and not 16:9, but I couldn't remember exactly. Anyway, I still am screwing around with it a little and see if I can get it to look good to me. The thing is almost too big for my little desktop area and I'm wondering if I really need a widescreen, but I guess I'll figure all that out as I go along. Also, I'm sure that I'll be wanting to start upgrading the whole system (video card - motherboard, etc...) soon so I'm sure I'll be asking for input on that. Thanks.
 

imported_TheReaper

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Have you tried turning on cleartype? That helped me clear up some minor problems I saw, although it sounds like you're having more issues than that would fix.
 

Camus2

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I think clear type is an XP thing. I'm switching over to XP soon. I'm just doing one thing at a time.

Is there a way to get clear type on any non-XP platforms?
 

Sadhu

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Originally posted by: Camus2
I think clear type is an XP thing. I'm switching over to XP soon. I'm just doing one thing at a time.

Is there a way to get clear type on any non-XP platforms?

Like TheReaper says, you REALLY should switch over to XP. You should do it sooner than "soon." I understand the "one thing at time" thing, but XP offers a lot of stability beyond all the extras. It's nice to have a new monitor, and new video card, but I don't rate that above having Windows stability. Maybe some will disagree with this, and that's your right. But in my opinion, anything that's important to save on your computer, including all your setup preferences and email deserves to have a stable OS. You should get it as soon as you can. The ClearType is a perk. A great perk, mind you. One that I wouldn't live without. But it's still a perk.

"ClearType," the technology that is particulary useful for clear text on LCD screens is not a Win 98 thing. However, you'll still find screen smoothing in 98. It's not exactly the same as ClearType but you can turn on smoothing. Give it try.

You can turn it on by doing the following:
Click on your desktop and select Display Properties, and then Properties, then Effects (tab), and check to see if "Smooth Edges of Screen Fonts" box is checked. If not, select it and click "Okay."

By the way, you ask a lot of questions that you could research yourself easily by using Google or some other search engine. It's not that people in this Forum don't mind helping you, but you shouldn't be afraid to use the Internet to ... HELP YOURSELF, and learning to use a search engine is as simple as ... starting to use it. You'd also be surprised what things you'll find at sites like Tom's Hardware, or Microsoft.com if you start getting into the habit of searching these sites. Forums are great, but you get a lot of "opinions" here, and you have to remember that it's just an opinion. There are a lot of organizations and relatively objective testing services that have very knowledgable team leaders that know how to test hardware and software, and the research you do at their web sites can as equally useful as forums such this.

Kick the habit of not researching on your own. In the end, you'll be happy that you did ... because you'll find out stuff faster and more easily than relying on a forum.

The answer to smoothing and Windows 98 would have been available to you on any number of sites, and you could have found it faster than posting the question here. Know what I mean?
 

Camus2

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Just so you know, Sadhu, I wasn't really complaining about smoothing the type in 98. I said that the font looked "funny" kind a stretched out, etc... meaning I'm still dealing with the resolution issues that I said I was just going to screw around with. "Screw around" because any combination of things produces different results. The idea of clear type was just a randomn suggestion and I responded with pretty much a rhetorical question "tht's an XP thing, right?" Instead of saying "Dude, that's XP. I just told you I don't have XP yet." Why did I know that - because I did search it on the internet. All the questions I ask are only after I search on the internet.

I appreciate you not wanting to hear goofy questions, but believe me Google is my home page and I use it a couple hundred times a day if not more.
 

soni

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Just for the record, I just got the 2005FPW today, and I can run 1680x1050 with my old Geforce2 GTS 64.
I didnt even have to install anything in order to choose the resolution.
I did install the screen inf file afterwards, so the monitor would be shown as the 2005.
Im using the Winxp 56.72 whql version of the display drivers, but I dont know if thats why.
 

Sadhu

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Originally posted by: Camus2
Just so you know, Sadhu, I wasn't really complaining about smoothing the type in 98. I said that the font looked "funny" kind a stretched out, etc... meaning I'm still dealing with the resolution issues that I said I was just going to screw around with. "Screw around" because any combination of things produces different results. The idea of clear type was just a randomn suggestion and I responded with pretty much a rhetorical question "tht's an XP thing, right?" Instead of saying "Dude, that's XP. I just told you I don't have XP yet." Why did I know that - because I did search it on the internet. All the questions I ask are only after I search on the internet.

I appreciate you not wanting to hear goofy questions, but believe me Google is my home page and I use it a couple hundred times a day if not more.

Camus2,

Goofy questions are your right to ask. You can ask whatever you like. I wasn't trying to suggest refrain from asking anything goofy. Reading through the threads of this forum, you'll find people use it to not only ask goofy questions or but to VENT their frustrations, announce their orders, or their order status. Or, they ask questions or make statements that not only seem but are totally unrelated to the thread. Sometimes people are chewed out for this. I wish that didn't happen, not only because I've also been guilty of wandering from the thread, but because it would be nicer if we were all just nicer and made people feel more ... well welcome. The fact is that people LIKE to VENT or to take out their frustrations, and one needs to expect it will happen (especially from younger and more "rebelious" amongst us). People use the forum for what they NEED to use it for, and if we are all excepting of that, in the end, we'll get along better. Still, it would be nicer if people didn't chew other people out as much, and were simply more considerate of others feelings. Like I said, it would be nicer if everyone made others feel ... welcome here.

My whole reason for suggesting Google was that I thought in the end, it would be better for YOU if you used Google for some of your questions (glad to hear it's your home page). Your question about Win 98 and Cleartype was available in the first page of Google search for Win 98 and Cleartype. I was merely trying to suggest that if you used Google more often, you wouldn't NEED the forum for such things (not that you shouldn't bother the forum members with such questions. Bother away all you need to!). I was just thinking that YOU would better off by using Google or other search and research mechanisms. Lots of times, I've noticed that people ask questions in this forum that are easily answered by a Google search. But then, it's everyone's right to use the forum as they see fit (as it's everyone's forum). So I usually keep my mouth shut about making the suggestion to use Google, or that Google would have answered the question. I apologize to you if I made you feel that you shouldn't have asked that question. I didn't mean to do that.

Yeah, XP. You should get it as soon as you can. Win 98 works, but just barely. Microsoft couldn't make it work, and it took them far too long to abandon it. They have, but only after too many people suffered unduely. Many techs at Microsoft don't remember how to support it (some never did), and that's true of a majority of techs around the country, even in some of the best call centers (like IBM, where training and knowlegebases are better than the norm). Using 98 is a bit like launching a lifeboat with a big hole in the hull. You might float for awhile, but when the weather kicks up, it's goin' down! Anyone who's stayed with that ship in view of the improvements in XP ... well, you get the idea.

Cleartype, by the way, works very VERY well on the Dell 2005FP (as well as 2001FP). I didn't really understand what all the hoopla was when I used my CRT. Now that I have these Dell monitors, I can see why people raved about the technology. It's really great, and makes reading text a joy.
 

imported_eightball

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hmmm, that's an interesting idea.
i'm getting my replacement 2005FPW soon, so i'll fire both up and try dual config!
lucky i have dual dvi x850xt pe!!
 

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Woohoo! I finally read every single post in this thread. It took two hours. To sum up for myself, seeing that (1) HL2/CS:S are my only games right now, (2) I'm a big movie person, and (3) I already run my laptop in 1680x1050, looks like the 2005FPW is right for me. Now just got to track down some coupons.
 

Spike

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Originally posted by: gkwok
Woohoo! I finally read every single post in this thread. It took two hours. To sum up for myself, seeing that (1) HL2/CS:S are my only games right now, (2) I'm a big movie person, and (3) I already run my laptop in 1680x1050, looks like the 2005FPW is right for me. Now just got to track down some coupons.

Don't need coupons, right now they are $550 without any savings. I just ordered one for $624 with tax and 2-day shipping. Now I need to figure out what to do with my 21" CRT...

-spike
 

Boze

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Ah, Spike, I'm so glad you joined us! Resistance against the almighty UltraSharp 2005FPW is futile!
 

Patrick Wolf

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Originally posted by: gkwok
Woohoo! I finally read every single post in this thread. It took two hours. To sum up for myself, seeing that (1) HL2/CS:S are my only games right now, (2) I'm a big movie person, and (3) I already run my laptop in 1680x1050, looks like the 2005FPW is right for me. Now just got to track down some coupons.

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