Dell new 20" wide LCD 2005FPW. Has anyone seen this beast?

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Camus2

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I saw that as well and I don't think the points are bad, but it seems to me that there are a couple of things to keep in mind. One - LCD's are not CRT's and while no LCD may be able to produce the level of blackness of a crt you also don't have to devote a 3 x 3 foot foot cube on your desktop to set up one of those 100 lb giants to have a nice big screen. Also, when he talked about the "vivid image" I've been screwing around with the settings on the monitor and mostly on my video card (since the 2005fpw is so bright that you have to knock down the brightness a little there) and I noticed that if I pull the brightness down and jack up the contrast and gamma a little bit I get a more vivid looking image (as far as I can tell.) In any case, its hard to tell from photographs what it actually looks like, anyway. If you look at the pictures he has under "scientist" where he says the lack of contrast is illustrated best you can't really make out as many details in the CRT picture as you can in the LCD display (the structure of the floor or above the door for example.) The last thing I might mention is that if you are someone that is in to playing video games take a look at the side by side picture of the far cry he has where he is trying to say that the 2005fpw doesn't have as vivid a picture. Even though he might be right, which one of those monitors would you rather be playing that game on? The widescreen looks pretty sweet right there! Look at the picture he has under the link "foliage", for instance. I'm sure this would also be true for other things that are widescreen like DVD's etc.

I think it all depends on what you are using the monitor for.
 

Camus2

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And it doesn't even look like he had that game configured for the widescreen. It looks a little like it is just stretched out. With the new games in widescreen format you actually get to see more around you.
 

Sadhu

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Originally posted by: Camus2
I saw that as well and I don't think the points are bad, but it seems to me that there are a couple of things to keep in mind. One - LCD's are not CRT's and while no LCD may be able to produce the level of blackness of a crt you also don't have to devote a 3 x 3 foot foot cube on your desktop to set up one of those 100 lb giants to have a nice big screen. Also, when he talked about the "vivid image" I've been screwing around with the settings on the monitor and mostly on my video card (since the 2005fpw is so bright that you have to knock down the brightness a little there) and I noticed that if I pull the brightness down and jack up the contrast and gamma a little bit I get a more vivid looking image (as far as I can tell.) In any case, its hard to tell from photographs what it actually looks like, anyway. If you look at the pictures he has under "scientist" where he says the lack of contrast is illustrated best you can't really make out as many details in the CRT picture as you can in the LCD display (the structure of the floor or above the door for example.) The last thing I might mention is that if you are someone that is in to playing video games take a look at the side by side picture of the far cry he has where he is trying to say that the 2005fpw doesn't have as vivid a picture. Even though he might be right, which one of those monitors would you rather be playing that game on? The widescreen looks pretty sweet right there! Look at the picture he has under the link "foliage", for instance. I'm sure this would also be true for other things that are widescreen like DVD's etc.

I think it all depends on what you are using the monitor for.

You raise some good points here.

However, let me add one more issue into the pot.

I think one issue that nobody has raised so far with regard to LCDs vs. CRTS is safety. Here's an issue that I am somewhat versed in because some years ago, I did some major research on the safety of CRTs. I found it so interesting, that I keep current on much of the "controversy."

The problem of the health effects of electromagnetic radiation was not well documented during the hayday of the CRT, and studies by regulation agencies that had been pretty well dismantled after Ronald Reagan took office, only had funded studies conducted by industry manufacturers (pretty much a Fox guarding the Chicken Coop kind of thing). These studies turned up nothing much, except in Sweden where Union representatives demanded, and got INDEPENDENT studies (studies not performed or funded by manufacturers of CRTs) and these independent studies, funny enough, came up with rather different results than the studies in the USA. The studies in Sweden showed statistically significant percentages (20 per cent) with birth defects and miscarriages for workers who spent a majority of their day in front of CRTs. That gave "birth" sorry for the pun, eventually, to a safety standard for monitors that became known as the TCO standard. It's gone through several different stages from when it first was implemented.

Monitors first had to meet a standard of 2.5 millarads of radiation at 19" (measured off the front of the monitor) ... though always more was measured off the back and sides and bottom of the dam things, and later, a more stringent standard of 2 millarads at 12-inches. Even this was thought to be a compromise, but a considerably better compromise, because many people where forced to sit closer than 19", and many leaned in, and because the better shielding meant a little less was probably coming out the back and sides (but not that much less, folks).

For those of you that are past the age where are considering having children, you need not worry about spending hours and hours in front of your CRT monitor. As far as you are concerned, the heck with your reproductive system, right? But for those of you still of childbearing age, and who still plan to have children (and for those WITH children), you need to realize that the TCO standards for CRTs as a health standard was merely a compromise, and not perfect. For those planning to have kids (and that especially applies to all of you who still ARE kids), you need to give the issue some thought and weigh the health benefits of LCDs against the risks of CRTs. LCDs have no measurable risk associated with them.

And so you need to think about IF the difference in quality is worth the risk you take with your reproductive system. LCDs may not be perfect, folks, but they are certainly better for health. And IF you have kids, you don't want them spending hours upon hours of the day in front of CRTs, remember that even the latest the TCO health standard that came of Sweden is no guarentee of that you are safe. Even if it is only 2 millirads at 12 inches, more comes out the back, sides and bottom than out the front of a TCO rated CRT. How much more? Quite a bit more! Too much more, in fact. Much more than tripple of what is considered "the safe backround level." No one is required to measure what comes out the back and sides and bottom. That's why manufacturers don't bother to put any shielding there.

This is an issue that the old Sadhu needed to mention to some of you kids out there playing games. You tell me to F...off, and that that's okay. I'm fine that that. But for all you parents out there, you should remember that your kids health is more at risk in front of a CRT than it is in front of an LCD. For me, that was enough to buy my daughter a new LCD (rather than decide to give her my previous and rather expensive EIZO CRT ... even if did meet TCO standards). Better safe than sorry. She might be able to buy someone else's eggs if she decides to have kids, but as for her own, she's already got all she will ever have.
 

trikster2

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Dang the 2405FPW just came out. $1100 for a 24" 1900x1200

hmmm. Two "on sale" 2005FPWs or one 2405FPW??????
 

bjc112

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Originally posted by: trikster2

Dang the 2405FPW just came out. $1100 for a 24" 1900x1200

hmmm. Two "on sale" 2005FPWs or one 2405FPW??????

A review is out..

Have you found a place to pruchase it yet?

And it's $1199.
 

imported_Ulrick28

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You have the option of either stretching it, having it keep the 4:3 aspect ratio with blackbars, or doing pixel for pixel what the resolution would be (ie a 1024 x 768 would be centered in your screen with no scaling at all).

So you can pick which mode you like. The picture in picture is nice (there are several modes for it), it supports svideo, composite, digital, and analog rgb. The on screen menu is pretty nice, and it will let you switch between the various inputs on the fly.

It works well for games so far (city of heros and wow). My only annoyance is that SLI and widescreens don't get along well.
 

Norcal

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Found this on the Dell website

Featured Monitor: COMING MARCH 2005
Dell 24" Widescreen UltraSharpTM 2405FPW Flat Panel Monitor

24" Viewable Image Size Largest available viewable image size in Dell's Flat Panel Monitor Portfolio

1920x1200 Native Resolution1 Provides gamers and graphics professionals with best in class image detail.

12ms (typ) Response Time2 Enables crisp clear images when using the display for fast motion video such as gaming or video editing.

Dual Input Support 3 Digital (DVI) or Analog connection allowing for max versatility.

CE Inputs S-video, composite and component inputs allow for CE connectivity.

P-I-P (Picture-in-Picture)4 Users can and view alternative source video from a CE device with a touch of single PiP (Picture-in-Picture) button. View both your PC content and alternative source video at the same time.

Easy to Access 4 port USB Hub and 9-in-1 card reader allowing easy access for your favorite peripheral devices

http://www1.us.dell.com/content/topics/.../monitor_feature?c=us&cs=04&l=en&s=bsd

 

trikster2

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Originally posted by: Norcal
Found this on the Dell website

Featured Monitor: COMING MARCH 2005
Dell 24" Widescreen UltraSharpTM 2405FPW Flat Panel Monitor

24" Viewable Image Size Largest available viewable image size in Dell's Flat Panel Monitor Portfolio

1920x1200 Native Resolution1 Provides gamers and graphics professionals with best in class image detail.

12ms (typ) Response Time2 Enables crisp clear images when using the display for fast motion video such as gaming or video editing.

Dual Input Support 3 Digital (DVI) or Analog connection allowing for max versatility.

CE Inputs S-video, composite and component inputs allow for CE connectivity.

P-I-P (Picture-in-Picture)4 Users can and view alternative source video from a CE device with a touch of single PiP (Picture-in-Picture) button. View both your PC content and alternative source video at the same time.

Easy to Access 4 port USB Hub and 9-in-1 card reader allowing easy access for your favorite peripheral devices

http://www1.us.dell.com/content/topics/.../monitor_feature?c=us&cs=04&l=en&s=bsd


The 2005FPW is dead Long live the 2405FPW!!!!
 

housecat

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OMG a 2405 now? I pity the fool who has the firepower to game in HL2 with that beauty... oh wait, thats me!

This just might be the thing to really take advantage of my SLI... without using AA/AF of course.

I've tested at 1900x1200 on a friends display and SLI can push all the latest games, just some with AA/AF and some without.




I would not suggest this 1900x1200 LCD for people without the required firepower for games.. thats a MIGHTY resolution to push pixels across.. unless you only use WXP.
 

imverygifted

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hrm, my x800xt pe and 6800ultra can barely push my 2005fpw even w/ AA and AF on low settings. if i had that monitor i'd run it either in a window or at a downsided resolution
 

housecat

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Yeah, with a single GT I can run 1680x1050 in HL2.. but it doesnt have the headroom I'd like it to have of course. But it does run fine. In SLI, I can run 1680x1050 with nearly any combination of AA/AF.

1920x1600 is SLI only territory, even with no AA/AF.

I think SLI GTs or Ultras could run it, but I doubt it would be great with AA/AF.
 

trikster2

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So what are you all whining about?

Get this monitor, show the wife that your games all crawl

BOOO HOOO

Now you FINALLY have an excuse for the SLI rig you are dying for!

WAHOO!
 
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Originally posted by: trikster2


So what are you all whining about?

Get this monitor, show the wife that your games all crawl

BOOO HOOO

Now you FINALLY have an excuse for the SLI rig you are dying for!

WAHOO!

lol...only $2000 for the monitor and video cards.

...I only paid $2000 for my car. :Q
 

NCTurner2002

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help! I'm considering getting this monitor, but I'm curious if it'll work ok with my system. I'm not really into gaming (gasp) but rather, I want it for photo editing. I'm using a Dell 2400 Dimension with 1gig RAM, 2.53 ghz. I have the standard Intel video chipset that comes on the Dell. Will that card support this monitor without stretching it?

Secondly, what are the screen dimensions?

Lastly, does it have a specific white balance setting, or is that only accomplished via the RBG controls?
 
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Originally posted by: NCTurner2002
help! I'm considering getting this monitor, but I'm curious if it'll work ok with my system. I'm not really into gaming (gasp) but rather, I want it for photo editing. I'm using a Dell 2400 Dimension with 1gig RAM, 2.53 ghz. I have the standard Intel video chipset that comes on the Dell. Will that card support this monitor without stretching it?

Secondly, what are the screen dimensions?

Lastly, does it have a specific white balance setting, or is that only accomplished via the RBG controls?

The Intel integrated graphics can probably drive the 1680x1050 resolution in 2D, but to be honest, I'd suggest spending $50 or so on a discrete AGP (or even PCI) card that has a DVI output...DVI is much much better on LCD monitors.

I'm not sure what the physical dimensions of the screen are, and I do not believe there is a white balance setting beyond the RGB controls...

Let me know if you need any more info about the monitor
 

NCTurner2002

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Originally posted by: SynthDude2001
Originally posted by: NCTurner2002
help! I'm considering getting this monitor, but I'm curious if it'll work ok with my system. I'm not really into gaming (gasp) but rather, I want it for photo editing. I'm using a Dell 2400 Dimension with 1gig RAM, 2.53 ghz. I have the standard Intel video chipset that comes on the Dell. Will that card support this monitor without stretching it?

Secondly, what are the screen dimensions?

Lastly, does it have a specific white balance setting, or is that only accomplished via the RBG controls?

The Intel integrated graphics can probably drive the 1680x1050 resolution in 2D, but to be honest, I'd suggest spending $50 or so on a discrete AGP (or even PCI) card that has a DVI output...DVI is much much better on LCD monitors.

I'm not sure what the physical dimensions of the screen are, and I do not believe there is a white balance setting beyond the RGB controls...

Let me know if you need any more info about the monitor

Synth,

thanks for the quick reply! Correct me if I'm wrong, but the physical dimensions of the 2005 and my current 17" are virtually the same. So I really wouldn't be gaining any more display real estate, correct? I don't want to go any higher res, at this physical size......so all I'd be gaining really is on the sides.

I didn't realize the video cards could be had for that cheap! Any suggestions as to a decent one? If I get another with DVI output, and I then run my current analog LCD at the same time? Sorry to sound so ignorant on this, but this is all brand new territory for me! thanks again!
 

Sadhu

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Originally posted by: NCTurner2002
Originally posted by: SynthDude2001
Originally posted by: NCTurner2002
help! I'm considering getting this monitor, but I'm curious if it'll work ok with my system. I'm not really into gaming (gasp) but rather, I want it for photo editing. I'm using a Dell 2400 Dimension with 1gig RAM, 2.53 ghz. I have the standard Intel video chipset that comes on the Dell. Will that card support this monitor without stretching it?

Secondly, what are the screen dimensions?

Lastly, does it have a specific white balance setting, or is that only accomplished via the RBG controls?

The Intel integrated graphics can probably drive the 1680x1050 resolution in 2D, but to be honest, I'd suggest spending $50 or so on a discrete AGP (or even PCI) card that has a DVI output...DVI is much much better on LCD monitors.

I'm not sure what the physical dimensions of the screen are, and I do not believe there is a white balance setting beyond the RGB controls...

Let me know if you need any more info about the monitor

Synth,

thanks for the quick reply! Correct me if I'm wrong, but the physical dimensions of the 2005 and my current 17" are virtually the same. So I really wouldn't be gaining any more display real estate, correct? I don't want to go any higher res, at this physical size......so all I'd be gaining really is on the sides.

I didn't realize the video cards could be had for that cheap! Any suggestions as to a decent one? If I get another with DVI output, and I then run my current analog LCD at the same time? Sorry to sound so ignorant on this, but this is all brand new territory for me! thanks again!


I'm always curious why people don't go to Dell and check the dimension at Dell.com.
They are there. Learn to use search functions at dell and you will find dimensions of all the monitors.

http://www.intel.com/support/graphics/intel865g/sb/CS-009181.htm
for info on Intel video could have been found in a Dell forum and once you are there ... look around

And lastly, the subject of using the Integrated Board to do Photo Editing would be a little like wanting to drive to California in 1969 Volkswagon. It would even more crazy than deciding to buy Canon's top SLR camera over the 20D, but then opting for plastic lenses instead of glass. With a camera like the 20D you don't have to buy L Glass to be happy, but you certainly shouldn't buy their cheapest lenses either. Whether or not YOU can live with your Internal Intel Video card doesn't mean you should consider that. If you are buying a $500+ monitor in order to do Photo Editing, the least you can do is buy stand alone video card, and while your at it, some kind of screen color calibration tool.

Forums are great, but use them wisel, and for the right things. When you can find the information yourself in seconds (and it's something you really need to know) ... why rely on a forum where it might take you days to get the proper answer ... when you can find it yourself by using "SEARCH". That's the whole benefit of the Internet ... that you find things fast and not have to rely on Tom, Dick and Harry to get back to you ... whenever.
 

NCTurner2002

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Sadhu,

thanks for the helpful (?) reply. As an fyi, I did look on Dell's site, and got to the user guides, and apparently was looking in the wrong area. So, forgive me for errantly looking in the wrong area!

I disagree with you about the video card, however. And I do own a very nice piece of calibration equipment for monitor, scanner and printer. Whether I choose to use the intel video chipset or an outside source, is really my business. I appreciate your suggesting something else, but you never did answer the question, other than a link, which I appreciate.
 

kmmatney

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http://www.intel.com/support/graphics/intel865g/sb/CS-009181.htm
for info on Intel video could have been found in a Dell forum and once you are there ... look around

And lastly, the subject of using the Integrated Board to do Photo Editing would be a little like wanting to drive to California in 1969 Volkswagon. It would even more crazy than deciding to buy Canon's top SLR camera over the 20D, but then opting for plastic lenses instead of glass. With a camera like the 20D you don't have to buy L Glass to be happy, but you certainly shouldn't buy their cheapest lenses either. Whether or not YOU can live with your Internal Intel Video card doesn't mean you should consider that. If you are buying a $500+ monitor in order to do Photo Editing, the least you can do is buy stand alone video card, and while your at it, some kind of screen color calibration tool.

Forums are great, but use them wisel, and for the right things. When you can find the information yourself in seconds (and it's something you really need to know) ... why rely on a forum where it might take you days to get the proper answer ... when you can find it yourself by using "SEARCH". That's the whole benefit of the Internet ... that you find things fast and not have to rely on Tom, Dick and Harry to get back to you ... whenever.

What a load of crap (mostly)! Sadhu, the forums are for getting answers quick. If you don't want to answer, then don't reply!

I'm using a laptop to drive a 1600 x 1200 LCD just fine, and I doubt you'll have any trouble with your integrated graphics. You may need to "add" the new resolution to your existing driver (or download the latest driver) but either way it will support it. If you don't game, then you are fine. However, as everyone has said, you would be best off with a separate video card using the DVI connector. You can get a Radeon 7000 with DVI at NewEgg for $29. You could run them side by side as well.

The Dell 2005FPW has about the same pixel size as a a 17" LCD, so its barely taller than your existing 17" LCD, but a bit wider. The resolution of the pixels won't be appeciably different.


I'd suggest these cards:

Cheapest you can do:
Radeon 7000

Better and worth the extra $12:
Radeon 9250

DirectX 9 compatible and better still:
ATI 9550 128 Bit

ASUS 5200
 

NCTurner2002

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Originally posted by: kmmatney
What a load of crap (mostly)! Sadhu, the forums are for getting answers quick. If you don't want to answer, then don't reply!

I'm using a laptop to drive a 1600 x 1200 LCD just fine, and I doubt you'll have any trouble with your integrated graphics. You may need to "add" the new resolution to your existing driver (or download the latest driver) but either way it will support it. If you don't game, then you are fine. However, as everyone has said, you would be best off with a separate video card using the DVI connector. You can get a Radeon 7000 with DVI at NewEgg for $29. You could run them side by side as well.

The Dell 2005FPW has about the same pixel size as a a 17" LCD, so its barely taller than your existing 17" LCD, but a bit wider. The resolution of the pixels won't be appeciably different.


I'd suggest these cards:

Cheapest you can do:
Radeon 7000

Better and worth the extra $12:
Radeon 9250

DirectX 9 compatible and better still:
ATI 9550 128 Bit

ASUS 5200

Thank you very much for a very well informed, and courteous answer! I was really biting my tongue earlier....lol. Anyway, there's a question about whether, using my calibration program will really help much, with the DVI, since the DVI limits the adjustments that can be made on the monitor. When I run my calibration program (complete with colorimeter), it will create it's own monitor profile, and I have to turn all other color management programs off. Thus, it sounds like I'd have to turn off the color management controls from the card, else I woudln't be able to calibrate! So, bottom line, I'm not really sure a DVI will help much! Anyone here use a calibration program (specifically, Monaco) to calibrate their 2005, using the DVI connection?

Again, thanks for your reply!
 

fxtrader

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Is it just me but why is everyone so excited about a monitor that has a display height of just 10.7 inches. My 1905FP has a height of 11.85 inches which makes it a better monitor in my opinion.

I'm a currency trader and need lots of real estate. I need height more than width though width is excellent too.

But I can't turn a monitor portrait because then there's ridiculously little width.

But if you just want to play games or watch dvd's, this would be the one.
 

fxtrader

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No. It's not as good as the 2001fp imo. It's over an inch shorter - practically unusable for charting.
 

fxtrader

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Yes. Exactly. The 1905FP or the 2001FP have normal height dimensions - much better for normal applications.
 
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