Dell new 20" wide LCD 2005FPW. Has anyone seen this beast?

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NeoV

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I so want one of these....just might get myself a little Xmas present...
 

agent2099

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For those of you with the 2005fp?



When gaming with games that do not have a widescreen mode, does the monitor give you black bars on the left and right, or does it just stretch the image. Do you even have the option?

What about games that don't even go to 1080 pixels tall, are there large black bars on the side and small black bars on the bottom,... thus creating a sqare image in the middle of the screen?
 

Ackmed

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Originally posted by: jimikim
PWNED

Dell 8400
P4 3.2Ghz
1gig DDR2@400
6800 GTO
160gig HD
2005FPW WIDESCREEN 20 INCH ULTRASHARP LCD
Windows XP Pro
Unit Price: $2,157
Discount: -$647.10 (i found some crazy 30% coupon that expired 5 hours after i used it)
Net Price: $1,492.80 (I have no idea how 2157-647.1=1492.8 but that's what the email says....)

GJ on a crappy P4 system.
 

imported_hyde

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Originally posted by: agent2099
For those of you with the 2005fp?



When gaming with games that do not have a widescreen mode, does the monitor give you black bars on the left and right, or does it just stretch the image. Do you even have the option?

What about games that don't even go to 1080 pixels tall, are there large black bars on the side and small black bars on the bottom,... thus creating a sqare image in the middle of the screen?


I'm extremely curious about this too. I *don't* want the games that are running at a 4:3 resolution, or even normal tv for that matter, to be stretched to the maximum space of the monitor. I'd rather have the black bars and correct aspect ratio. I don't have much experience with lcd's and even less with widescreens so I don't know how this issue is normally handled. If it keeps the aspect ratio, or at least has an option to, I'm jumping on this monitor the next time I find another dell coupon.
 

SportSC4

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can anyone that bought one of these tell me if the fonts/start bar/etc are really really small or is it ok? I'm debating between this and the DVI 19" LCD they are selling (not widescreen, oh well)
 

RaiderJ

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Bump! Curious about the zoom features on the widescreen for games.... anyone with the screen care to elaborate?

 
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Originally posted by: hyde
Originally posted by: agent2099
For those of you with the 2005fp?



When gaming with games that do not have a widescreen mode, does the monitor give you black bars on the left and right, or does it just stretch the image. Do you even have the option?

What about games that don't even go to 1080 pixels tall, are there large black bars on the side and small black bars on the bottom,... thus creating a sqare image in the middle of the screen?


I'm extremely curious about this too. I *don't* want the games that are running at a 4:3 resolution, or even normal tv for that matter, to be stretched to the maximum space of the monitor. I'd rather have the black bars and correct aspect ratio. I don't have much experience with lcd's and even less with widescreens so I don't know how this issue is normally handled. If it keeps the aspect ratio, or at least has an option to, I'm jumping on this monitor the next time I find another dell coupon.

No it doesnt do that in game, I played nfsu2 it just stretchs it minimally nothing like on a widescreen tv without wide screen res. With movies that arnt widescreen it leaves black bars but other wise there is no black bars in any applications or games. NFSU2 was at stock resolution when I played I later changed it to another resolution its still stretched a tad bit but very crispy. Im still looking for a nfsu2 widescreen hack.
 

exdeath

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I would rather have the Samsung 213T.

21.3" 4:3 is actually more surface area than 20" widescreen, not to mention the widescreen would have either distorted games or unused side portions for games that dont have native widescreen modes, and certainly not one of the same as 1680 x 1050. 1600 x 1200 for a 4:3 display is much more friendly.
If you need wider display space buy dual 213Ts for mearly $1800.

Just my thoughts, I'm not one bit touched by the widescreen PC trend. HDTV? yes, PC, no.

You can pick up the 213T at Best buy brand new for $900 from time to time and since its in store you can demand to check it out before you buy to ensure no dead pixels.
 

Skylander

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I have a similar feeling. I got a 2001FP (4:3) lately. I think it's actually better than the widescreen version (2005FPW). It's not only the gaming resolution issue. The height of the monitor is not enough for 2005FPW. 2001FP has a better screen height. I know widescreen sounds attractive to a lot people. I agree that it would be great on LCD TV. For LCD monitor (PC or Mac), I think 23" would be a better model to use widescreen. For 20", 4:3 still looks better in my point of view.
 

Accord99

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Originally posted by: Skylander
I have a similar feeling. I got a 2001FP (4:3) lately. I think it's actually better than the widescreen version (2005FPW). It's not only the gaming resolution issue. The height of the monitor is not enough for 2005FPW. 2001FP has a better screen height. I know widescreen sounds attractive to a lot people. I agree that it would be great on LCD TV. For LCD monitor (PC or Mac), I think 23" would be a better model to use widescreen. For 20", 4:3 still looks better in my point of view.
Yeah, arguablly the 2005FPW is not so much widescreen as it is short screen. In fact the physical height of the 2005FPW is virtually the same as a 17" SXGA panel.
 

Skylander

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Yeah. It seems to me Dell increase only 1 inch of width but cut the height even more to make people feel wider...
 

jpeyton

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The rule of thumb is that if you're comparing a 20" 4:3 and a 20" 16:10, the better deal is always the 4:3 screen. Why? Because you get more space for your money.

I don't remember the exact percentages, but if you compare 16:9 images on both 20" screens, the standard format screen will only lose 1-2% image size to the widescreen.

However, if you display a 4:3 image on both 20" screens, the widescreen LCD will lose 20-something% image size to the 4:3 LCD.
 

Sadhu

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Originally posted by: SportSC4
can anyone that bought one of these tell me if the fonts/start bar/etc are really really small or is it ok? I'm debating between this and the DVI 19" LCD they are selling (not widescreen, oh well)

 

Sadhu

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Originally posted by: SportSC4
can anyone that bought one of these tell me if the fonts/start bar/etc are really really small or is it ok? I'm debating between this and the DVI 19" LCD they are selling (not widescreen, oh well)


Whoops. Sorry about that. Didn't mean to quote without reply.

My initial worry was that everything would be too small, but I believe I have already adjusted to the size of everything, even with my 56 year old eyeballs. And with reading glasses on (even the drugstore bought variety) everything is more than adequate with the 1600x1200 or the 1680x1050. My first impressions are that the so called "widescreen" or as it may have been aptly regarded by "Accord99," the "shortscreen" model. But that said, my first impressions are that even for someone whose eyes have fairly rapidly adjusted to the higher resolution, the 1600x1050 is easier to read, especially with or without glasses on. It appears noticably brighter. How much brighter? Well, when setting them both to 100% brightness, I think anyone who isn't completely blind would say that the 1600x1050 is remarkably "brighter." Whites especially are considerably whiter, and you have to turn the 2005FPW down below 70% for them to even begin to get close. It's still noticably brighter even at 70% and still easier to read at that level. I haven't really decided about the colors yet. I know there was some worry that colors would looked washed out, and maybe they do a little washed out by comparrsion to the 2001, at least that's my initial impression using some color photography taken with my Nikon Digital when dupicating image and dragging the copy to the other monitor. But then, I don't know, actually what dual monitor mode does to the accuracy of the colors in the 2nd monitor. And for that matter, I don't even know if running in dual monitor mode is a fair test at all (which might even invalidate my initial impressions about the "brightness." Perhaps someone in the forum can offer up some thoughts on this. I can't. I'm too much of newbie to dual monitor mode.

Anyway, I am somewhat surprised at the livability of the size of everything in 1600 res mode. It didn't look livable on my CRT at all. My first impressions are quite favorable, more so than I expected. It's certainly worth taking a look for yourself, and not relying on others to venture forth an opinion.

I should mention that I have the Dell 19" Ultra Sharp also on the table, and while I am still comparing them, the intial impressions are that the 19" 2005, while quite excellent, is not quite as satisfactory or as necessary to hang on to, if you can swing a purchase of either the 2001FP or the 2005FPW.

Note that last week, the 19" Dell was offering the 2005 for only $499. I don't think it is today. I think it's gone back up to the higher price once again. If that's the situation, then you should most definitely consider the 20" (+) variety. I never thought I'd say this, but that's the way I'm inclined to think about it now. I suppose there are many in the forum who aren't surprised, but I sure am.
 

imported_eh

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So, any suggestions on the best way to get this up and running with two 19" "peripheral" monitors? I remember seeing someone else mention that they would like to have two of these on either side of his 19", but I think I would have the widescreen in the middle, and the others off to the side.

I know that you can get two monitors up and running off one card, but how do you get that third monitor hooked up? Is a PCI card the only solution, or will the new SLI motherboards allow for four monitors, or only two monitors in SLI config?

Finally, are there any games, besides flight sims, that support multi-monitor hook-ups? I want to play HL2, and monitor what's going on to either side of me without having to turn the main view

Cheers!
 

BullishDad

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Sadhu, thanks for posting your review of the 2005FPW. It turns out I ordered the 2005FPW yesterday, but was suffering from buyer's remorse because I was thinking that the text would be too small, and that maybe the 1905 was better for my eyes and needs. However, the more I learned about the 2005FPW, the more comfortable I've become with my decision. Can't wait to receive it. Your comments add to my confidence.

I have some other concerns about whether or not I need a new video card that supports DVI. Perhaps you can comment whether you notice a difference with DVI vs. VGA. I am going to start a new thread asking for advice about getting a DVI video card.

Thread asking for advice on DVI video card.
 

whistleclient

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
The rule of thumb is that if you're comparing a 20" 4:3 and a 20" 16:10, the better deal is always the 4:3 screen. Why? Because you get more space for your money.

I don't remember the exact percentages, but if you compare 16:9 images on both 20" screens, the standard format screen will only lose 1-2% image size to the widescreen.

However, if you display a 4:3 image on both 20" screens, the widescreen LCD will lose 20-something% image size to the 4:3 LCD.



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agent2099

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Originally posted by: exdeath
I would rather have the Samsung 213T.

21.3" 4:3 is actually more surface area than 20" widescreen, not to mention the widescreen would have either distorted games or unused side portions for games that dont have native widescreen modes, and certainly not one of the same as 1680 x 1050. 1600 x 1200 for a 4:3 display is much more friendly.
If you need wider display space buy dual 213Ts for mearly $1800.

Just my thoughts, I'm not one bit touched by the widescreen PC trend. HDTV? yes, PC, no.

You can pick up the 213T at Best buy brand new for $900 from time to time and since its in store you can demand to check it out before you buy to ensure no dead pixels.

Well the benefits I see are that the 2005fp is just newer technology. Lets ignore the 12ms response time. The 2005fp has a better contrast ratio, and possibly a reduced infamous "screen door" effect that many 2001fp users complained about.

Originally posted by: Fr0zen2k4
Originally posted by: hyde
Originally posted by: agent2099
For those of you with the 2005fp?


No it doesnt do that in game, I played nfsu2 it just stretchs it minimally nothing like on a widescreen tv without wide screen res. With movies that arnt widescreen it leaves black bars but other wise there is no black bars in any applications or games. NFSU2 was at stock resolution when I played I later changed it to another resolution its still stretched a tad bit but very crispy. Im still looking for a nfsu2 widescreen hack.

So, it seems you are saying that the monitor forces a slightly stretched image on games? There is no way to play games UNstretched at their normal resolution, with black bars on the left and right?
 
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There is depends on game nfsu2 stretched it, Half Life 2 is pure amazing since it supports 1680x1050 this monitor blows me away. I dont notice the screen door effect either. Only problem I have is that some colors look washed out and im dying to know what color settings people are using. Besides that its perfect.
 

agent2099

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Thanks for the quick reply.


Your setup seems very similar to mine. How does the 9800Pro handle HL at 1680x1050 native?

How does the monitor scale down to lower resolutions?

Have you tried any other games besides NFS and HL2?
 
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It takes the 1680x1050 in hl2 quite well no studdering at all with details on high, Lower resolutions look weak on desktop not as crisp as native. Since I had the monitor only hl2 and nfsu2.
 
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