Dell new 20" wide LCD 2005FPW. Has anyone seen this beast?

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Sadhu

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Originally posted by: agent2099
Originally posted by: Sadhu
Originally posted by: Skylander
Originally posted by: Sadhu



With the Window fully maximized, I cannot see the entire Outlook 2003 on my desktop UNLESS I drag everything over to the 2001FP.

Wait, so when you maximize windows such as MS Word, Firefox, Outlook .... they window goes beyond the size of the screen??!

I apologize if I added to the confusion over this. Don't forget, drugs sometimes fog the mind. In my case, I was not taking anything illegal, but was in a car accident (as a pedestrian), and got hit by car while crossing the street. I was on pain medication and plead for mercy. Does it cloud my judgement on the two monitors. I don't think so. I just think it sometimes makes for unclear prose. I'm not on drugs at the moment, and I still see the earlier comments as holding true. My perception hasn't changed as the pain pills wore off. The only thing that's changed is that I hurt more.

Anyway, what I believe happened, to clarify my comments abou the app not fitting, was that I opened the application on the 2001FP, and then later dragged it over to the FPw. Actually, I had been dragging the Outlook window back and forth in order to compare how it looked. In order to drag stuff back and forth, you cannot be in the Max window mode, because when you are, you can drag a window. Okay, so looking at OUTLOOK 2003 filling the 2001FP, and then dragging it to the 2005FPw, you're dragging an app that fills the screen at 1600x1200 to a physically shorter monitor (the FPw runs at 1680x1050) and so naturally it's not all going to show the navigation pane at the bottom of the screen unless you do either of two things,

1. Scroll down to see it, or
2. hit the Maximize Windows button.

When you hit the maximize window on the FPW, it will automatically resize the various panes in Outlook and thus show the bottom Navigation panes too. I suppose the reason I mentioned Outlook 2003 was that it turns out to be a good example for demonstrating how you can be missing something when dragging stuff back and forth between two monitors of almost similar resolution but of different physical sizes.

But if you are only using one monitor, you won't have experience of being reminded that it's a shorter monitor. You'll still be living with a smaller monitor, but you won't be reminded of it, because you won't have the experience that I had of seeing something missing at the bottom.

I hope that clarifies it for you, and I apologize about the remark being misleading. I'm off the pain pills, and also, hopefully avoid making a remark that can be misinterpreted to mean "smushed." I can see exactly how Fr0zen2k4 thought that's what I meant, but that's not what I was saying. The FPW looks fine in my desktop apps and never looks "smushed."

But I'll tell you, after all of this comparing, the 2001FP really kind of holds its own very well, and if size is really important to you, (choruses of "size matters" here) you really should consider getting the 2001FP rather than the FPw because, as I was trying to point out with the Outlook 2003 example, it really is shorter, and there's no arguing with that fact. Could one live with the size differnces. I think one could. You just might not want to, that's all. Those that have the 2001FP are justified to say they wouldn't want to ... if size is importan to them.

When you step back from the desk, and look at them side by side, even the 19" inch monitor looks noticably taller. Somebody in this forum said it reminded them almost of 17" size. I can see that as being a valid comment, since the 1905FP looks taller. If the 2005FPw weren't so dam good, so dam nice, so dam crisp, I'd would't even hesitate to recommend the 2001FP over it. Especially since the 2001FP itself so impressive. I wouldn't say this is an easy decision except for those who know they want and need the size or know they want the wider aspect ration. It does give you more room width wize for more windows open. It's really a matter of what you're preference is. For those who want taller, I can see that the 2001FP is the right choice. For those who want one monitor with windows open side by side, it might just be that FPw foots the bill. (remember, i don't play games ... and so the considerations that come into the pticure with playing games are certainly lost on me - but there are plenty of experts here on that score).

 

Accord99

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Originally posted by: Sadhu
When you step back from the desk, and look at them side by side, even the 19" inch monitor looks noticably taller. Somebody in this forum said it reminded them almost of 17" size.
It's not just similar, it's basically the same height as a 17"

20" widescreen :1050x0.258mm pixel pitch = 270.9mm tall
17" 5:4 :1024*.264mm pixel pitch = 270.3mm tall

 

ponyo

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Sadhu, Thx for your review of 2005FP. I'm tempted to get one and play around with it. It would be cool to use 2005FP at the center and have 17" LCD on each side for triple display. The heights should almost match but resolution differences might be little annoying. Still it would be fun to try. Another fun thing would be to use 2001FP on the center and use 15" LCDs rotated and displayed in portrait mode on each side. Again the resolution differences might be little annoying but you would have the same height triple display at the fraction of the cost.

I'm glad the high resolution on the 20" LCDs are not posing any problems for you. Isn't it amazing how easy to read everything is on an LCD? Don't you wish you switched sooner? My eyes still thanks me everyday.
 

Skylander

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Yep. The viewable screen size is almost the same as the 17" Ultrasharp LCD. Not only that. The LCD stand of the 2005FPW is not redesigned. It's the same as 17" UltraSharp LCD too. You could check out the user guide at Dell web site to verify this.
 

Accord99

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Originally posted by: Vigilante82
How do you get the student discount in Canada? I see no mention of it on the Canadian website.

Thanks,

MN

If you're a student at the following institutions, you can use the link to apply for a 5% stackable coupon that can be used with any product on the Dell.ca website:

http://dell.ca/uofc (U of Calgary)
http://dell.ca/mrc (Mount Royal College)
http://dell.ca/utoronto
http://dell.ca/uofa (U of Alberta)
http://dell.ca/uofw (U of Winnipeg)

There should be 3 additional institutions but I couldn't find them. You could also call the Dell CSR and see if you get them to give a 5% discount for being a student.
 

Sadhu

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Originally posted by: Naustica
Sadhu, Thx for your review of 2005FP. I'm tempted to get one and play around with it. It would be cool to use 2005FP at the center and have 17" LCD on each side for triple display. The heights should almost match but resolution differences might be little annoying. Still it would be fun to try. Another fun thing would be to use 2001FP on the center and use 15" LCDs rotated and displayed in portrait mode on each side. Again the resolution differences might be little annoying but you would have the same height triple display at the fraction of the cost.

I'm glad the high resolution on the 20" LCDs are not posing any problems for you. Isn't it amazing how easy to read everything is on an LCD? Don't you wish you switched sooner? My eyes still thanks me everyday.

 

R3MF

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is the 2005 a true 24bit screen like the 2001, or is it an 18bit screen dithered up to 24bit?

i have just been disappointed to find out a promising 12ms 19" Viewsonic was in fact a dithered screen, so i'm getting a little wary.
 

R3MF

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bizarre, i have just noticed that i appear to be posting with two different accounts?

REMF
&
R3MF

the former dates from years back, the password to which i forgot, thus i made the new account. apparently i hadn't forgotten it because i just made my first post in about 15 months with it, quite without knowing it on page 8 (?) of this thread! how bizarre.
 

REMF

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the 2001 model is, so we can only hope that dell arn't regressing of specs.............
 

Hikari

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I just got it for $599.99 (includes tax for my state). Check around on sites, there are a bunch of 25% off lcd coupons (from the dellf game), and dell also has a stackable $35 off $325 coupon BNV0GB8?VWLFTC. You can get the 2001fp and 2005fpw for $564-$599 depending on your state.

Supposed to ship by or before 30 November. Will review when I get it.
 

agent2099

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Originally posted by: Skylander
Yep. The viewable screen size is almost the same as the 17" Ultrasharp LCD.

Yes and No.


The physical screen size is the same as a 17". BUT, the RESOLUTION is greater than that of a 19". So your screen real estate is a little bit more than a 17"/19" screen (since 17" and 19" screens have the same resolution. So what this means is that text is just a bit smaller (but not as small as on the 2001fp?) so you simply move the monitor closer.

Right now with a 19" LCD I find the text too large (I preferred the text size of 1280x1024 on a 17") so this works out quite well for me.


I would agree with some that if you are looking for gaming/DVDs this may not be the monitor for you. You have about the same size widescreen image on the 2001fp, and for games you have more screen space on the 2001fp.


However I'm not getting this monitor over the 2001fp because of games (12ms response time) or DVDs (widescreen image)...

I'm getting it because it's simply a better monitor spec wise. I like the higher contrast ratio, lower response time (belive it or not gaming is not the only thing to benefit) and other things they may have fixed from the 2001fp (screen door effect, backling issue?) etc.

Basically the contrast ratio alone is worth me choosing this screen over the 2001fp. If 4x3 games are a bit smaller, I can live with that. If the horizontal resolution is 1080 instead of 1200, I can live with that to, since comming from 1024 horizontal on a 19" LCD, I am still ahead.

 

Vigilante82

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Shoot.. I got to the University of Waterloo. I guess i'll have to call Dell about this one. I was also wondering about that email deal.. the one where u sign up for the email updates on deals for dell and you are suppose to get 15% off peripherals. I signed up but I haven't gotten anything from them yet. Has anyone else tried this? 15% off the 2005fp would be amazing. I'm already planning on buying this but I'd rather save more money.
 

Sadhu

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Originally posted by: agent2099
Originally posted by: Skylander
Yep. The viewable screen size is almost the same as the 17" Ultrasharp LCD.

Yes and No.


The physical screen size is the same as a 17". BUT, the RESOLUTION is greater than that of a 19". So your screen real estate is a little bit more than a 17"/19" screen (since 17" and 19" screens have the same resolution. So what this means is that text is just a bit smaller (but not as small as on the 2001fp?) so you simply move the monitor closer.

Right now with a 19" LCD I find the text too large (I preferred the text size of 1280x1024 on a 17") so this works out quite well for me.


I would agree with some that if you are looking for gaming/DVDs this may not be the monitor for you. You have about the same size widescreen image on the 2001fp, and for games you have more screen space on the 2001fp.



However I'm not getting this monitor over the 2001fp because of games (12ms response time) or DVDs (widescreen image)...

I'm getting it because it's simply a better monitor spec wise. I like the higher contrast ratio, lower response time (belive it or not gaming is not the only thing to benefit) and other things they may have fixed from the 2001fp (screen door effect, backling issue?) etc.

Basically the contrast ratio alone is worth me choosing this screen over the 2001fp. If 4x3 games are a bit smaller, I can live with that. If the horizontal resolution is 1080 instead of 1200, I can live with that to, since comming from 1024 horizontal on a 19" LCD, I am still ahead.


For those of you who may have wondered if I was a Dell employee trying to pass myself off as customer in order to plug the 2005FPW, this email may dispell that idea a little.

I have sitting here looking at both monitors quite a bit over the last few days, and I have to say that you're thinking was similar to mine. However, the more I sit here and look at the monitors, the less sure I am that the 2005FPw is really a victor over the 2001FP. For one thing, while the contrast (on paper) is greater, the brightness when both are at 50% is greater on the FPW, and the apparent contrast seems less in many ways because the colors are certainly less saturated. It would be difficult to for me to know what's right, but it does seem to be apparent that "washed out" or slightly more enemic would not be incorrect. Perhaps this is the result of increased backlight intensity. I don't know. But it's true, and despite the contrast ratio spec being higher, I have to say that you have the effect of greater contrast on the 2001FP because things are more washed out.

I can see more detail or what seems to be greater detail on my itunes interface when sliding the window over to the 2001FP. I don't think I'm imaging that. The metal effect looks more finished. I'd be curious to see what others see that have been playing with their settings, but I do see a marked improvement in detail, however subtle some may find it. Yes, these are big differences, but there is something going on here that's a little annoying.

I can see that the slight improvement in readiblity might be from a slightly increased font size. I don't notice that before, but now that you mention it, I can see it the type might be every so slightly larger. I'm not finding them so different really. Actually, it seems that the text might not be quite a black on 2005FPw, and this might be good for some and thought not so good by others. Text looks a little grey when compared to the 2001 and perahps a little finder stroke (thinner) and again some may like this and others may not. I thought I liked it better at first, and some may recall that I said this was 2005 was "crisper." I think I'm not so certain as I was at first whether this is better or not. Some may actually have an easier time with the 2001FP.

What I'm saying is that I'm not sure I prefer the 2005FP to 2001FP, at least not as certain that I'ved lived with them both for a little while. The larger size of the 2001FP is certainly a huge plus the more I live with it. Acutally, for my PC use as a desktop monitor, I think the 2001FP is a smarter way to go, since the I can still get most windows side by side on the FP but have the advantage of greater area from top to bottom, which in day to day use is perhaps the more productive to have than greater width. Those who use for video might feel differently.

And, having more detail or at least the impression of more detail due ot the fact colors seem less washed out and more true on the 2001FP might signal a shift in preference for the FP over the FPw. I think the difference is slight, mind you, but it is annoying to drag something in either direction and see that colors shift enough to bring to mind that colors seem better on the FP.
 

Sadhu

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I don't wish to give the wrong impression that all blacks look grey on the 2005FPw. My attributing "grey" to blacks pertained only a comparrison of the text. Black holds up on the FPw.

And, also, though it is a more than a little embarassing for me to add this, it would be wrong of me not to mention that after loading more of my Nikon pics into the both photoshop, and also as desktop backgrounds where I can look at them simultaneously, I have to fess up to the fact that I was hasty to raise the possibility that the improved contrast of the FPw was only a paper tiger on the FPw. I think whites are generally always whiter, and light colors are generally always lighter on the FPw. But beyond that fact, when examining digital photos of higher quality in areas which are low light areas, section of forest, where the values of the forrest and trees have darker values, I can see DETAIL in sections that have some highlighted values (areas that the light hits a little more), and these areas do exhibit more detail of trees and bushes (branches or leaves, or flowers). It's a subtle improvement but an improvement none-the-less.

So, ahem, my apologies for being overyly hasty once again. The only thing worse, is not speaking up (even if it a little embarrassing to post to nearly contradictory messages so close to each other.) I had just said that the choice seemed clear to me in the previous message. But after looking at this nature photography, I have to say that making a choice becomes murky at best. One wants the rich color saturation but also the detail. There is no clear winner for both aspects. Hopefully others will chime in here, on this subject of contrast and brightness, and what they see. And perhaps others have a different perception altogether.
 

aKaHawkeye

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Can someone give me the vertical and horizontal measurements of the VISABLE AREA of this screen (in inches)? I know it's 20 diagonally. I don't want the frame, or the black area around the illuminated area...just the actual visable area.
Thanks!
 

Sadhu

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Originally posted by: aKaHawkeye
Can someone give me the vertical and horizontal measurements of the VISABLE AREA of this screen (in inches)? I know it's 20 diagonally. I don't want the frame, or the black area around the illuminated area...just the actual visable area.
Thanks!

Well, I've just a crude ruller (in inches) handy, and it appears to be around 10.75 by 17.25. The 2001Fp appears to be 12.25 by 16.25. This is just approx from a cheap and hasty meaurement device.

 

imported_hyde

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Originally posted by: Fr0zen2k4

No it doesnt do that in game, I played nfsu2 it just stretchs it minimally nothing like on a widescreen tv without wide screen res. With movies that arnt widescreen it leaves black bars but other wise there is no black bars in any applications or games. NFSU2 was at stock resolution when I played I later changed it to another resolution its still stretched a tad bit but very crispy. Im still looking for a nfsu2 widescreen hack.

So it seems that all games running at a 4:3 resolution will be stretched? Can anyone confirm this? I assume that a similar test is to simply set up your desktop to be a 4:3 resoultion, say 1024x768. If the monitor stretches this type of resolution, each pixel will turn out to be wider than it is tall.

Has anyone tried watching normal (non-widescreen) tv or hooking up a console (ps2 xbox, whatever)? Does it stretch as well?

I'm still hoping that the monitor offers some kind of zoom out functionality that allows you to keep the aspect ratio. The responses I've gotten to this question are a little unclear and I'm still not sure as to the answer.

Indeed, halflife-2 would be nice to run 16:10 (i've seen the option) but i highly doubt my system has the power to drive a 1680x1050 res.
 

aKaHawkeye

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Well, I've just a crude ruller (in inches) handy, and it appears to be around 10.75 by 17.25. The 2001Fp appears to be 12.25 by 16.25. This is just approx from a cheap and hasty meaurement device.

Thanks Sadhu!

 

agent2099

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Originally posted by: hyde
Originally posted by: Fr0zen2k4

No it doesnt do that in game, I played nfsu2 it just stretchs it minimally nothing like on a widescreen tv without wide screen res. With movies that arnt widescreen it leaves black bars but other wise there is no black bars in any applications or games. NFSU2 was at stock resolution when I played I later changed it to another resolution its still stretched a tad bit but very crispy. Im still looking for a nfsu2 widescreen hack.

So it seems that all games running at a 4:3 resolution will be stretched? Can anyone confirm this? I assume that a similar test is to simply set up your desktop to be a 4:3 resoultion, say 1024x768. If the monitor stretches this type of resolution, each pixel will turn out to be wider than it is tall.

Has anyone tried watching normal (non-widescreen) tv or hooking up a console (ps2 xbox, whatever)? Does it stretch as well?

I'm still hoping that the monitor offers some kind of zoom out functionality that allows you to keep the aspect ratio. The responses I've gotten to this question are a little unclear and I'm still not sure as to the answer.


I too, am still looking for clairty on this issue. I have one on the way so I can report when it comes, but I hope someone can clear this up before my monitor arrives.

 

batmanuel

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Just ordered one from Dell Small business using the small business coupon that brought the price down to $650 (exactly half the price of the Apple Cinema Display !) and now I'm just waiting for delivery.

I have one question, though, and none of Dell's product info answers it: Does Dell bundle in a DVI cable, or am I going to have to order one myself?
 

ponyo

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Originally posted by: batmanuel
Just ordered one from Dell Small business using the small business coupon that brough the price down to $650 (exactly half the price of the Apple Cinema Display !) and now I'm just waiting for delivery.

I have one question, though, and none of Dell's product info answers it: Does Dell bundle in a DVI cable, or am I going to have to order one myself?


It should come with both DVI cable and VGA cable. I believe every Dell LCDs up to this point has.
 
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