Dell new 20" wide LCD 2005FPW. Has anyone seen this beast?

[Skylander]

Originally posted by: Sadhu

What I'm saying is that I'm not sure I prefer the 2005FP to 2001FP, at least not as certain that I'ved lived with them both for a little while. The larger size of the 2001FP is certainly a huge plus the more I live with it. Acutally, for my PC use as a desktop monitor, I think the 2001FP is a smarter way to go, since the I can still get most windows side by side on the FP but have the advantage of greater area from top to bottom, which in day to day use is perhaps the more productive to have than greater width. Those who use for video might feel differently.

And, having more detail or at least the impression of more detail due ot the fact colors seem less washed out and more true on the 2001FP might signal a shift in preference for the FP over the FPw. I think the difference is slight, mind you, but it is annoying to drag something in either direction and see that colors shift enough to bring to mind that colors seem better on the FP.

Sadhu,

What's the brightness level of your 2001FP? Mine is still 50. If you still concern the color saturation, you could try to download this image.

http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/wallpa...pia04234-1600-1200.jpg

It's an image wallpaper from JPL. The resolution is 1600x1200. I set it as an desktop image and the image is very sharp. So does the color saturation. I think you should be able to see the differences (if any) on your 2001 & 2005..

 

[Sadhu]

Sadhu,

What's the brightness level of your 2001FP? Mine is still 50. If you still concern the color saturation, you could try to download this image.

http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/wallpa...pia04234-1600-1200.jpg

It's an image wallpaper from JPL. The resolution is 1600x1200. I set it as an desktop image and the image is very sharp. So does the color saturation. I think you should be able to see the differences (if any) on your 2001 & 2005..

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Skylander,

That was very nice of you to send me that image for wallpaper. Actually, I have no short supply of high quality images to try, but that doesn't make me any less grateful to you for sending it. Thank you.

I have gotten somewhat closer to make the two monitors look fairly close in color, and in brightness; not exact. "Exact" would be a little to crazy to hope for. They are close. Somebody mentioned EIZO in a message recently, and while it's true that that the EIZO 985EX has a lot of control over color and other adjustments (which we all would like to have), I don't think the price tag of $1800 for a single LCD is all that appealing. One could nearly have three 20.5 monitors for that price. In fact, one could, if one ordered at the "right" time. I won't say that quality isn't worse the price. I'll just say, as someone who paid about $2400 for his EIZO CRT that looking back upon it, it wasn't a very smart move. Technology keeps changing very fast. Why dump all that money into just one monitor? I don't see it. And, like Batmanual said, you can by the 2005FPw for half the price as the smaller Apple Wide display. That means you can get two for the price of one.


And they are both good monitors. I will probably keep them both, actually, but not next to eachother in the same office. I plan to send the 1905FP back to Dell. I am very hooked on the resolution,and I don't think I can quite look at 1280x1024 again (after using these 20.5 monitors).

If you are interested in seeing some a few photos that I used as wallpaper, take a look at my Dublin photos from a year ago. Some of them have lots of color, and enough sharpness in sime of the highlighted areas to check out detail and brightness and contrast of dual monitors. Most of the photos that I posted where 1680x1260 so they will fit in both 20.5 monitors. The only sad thing is that they are about .8MB each so you will need a broadband connection to get a few of them to look at.

See here:

http://www.closerange.com//ser...freedom/temple_bar.htm
and then just click "next" to go to the next photo. I didn't post that many, maybe about a half a dozen or so.

 

[mboy]

I have a 1905fp on the way and am saddened to learn that u do not like yours ;(

I could have gotten the 2100FP for 600 shipped, but was out of my range (got the 1905 for $430) and am upgrading from a cheap envision 19CRT.

 

[Ackmed]

Just ordered mine.. supposed to ship by Dec 2nd.

Already have a 1800FP, and 2001FP too.

 

[ponyo]

Originally posted by: Ackmed
Just ordered mine.. supposed to ship by Dec 2nd.

Already have a 1800FP, and 2001FP too.

If I could get that 25% off coupon off that Delf game I would too. So far no luck.

 

[Sadhu]

Originally posted by: mboy
I have a 1905fp on the way and am saddened to learn that u do not like yours ;(

I could have gotten the 2100FP for 600 shipped, but was out of my range (got the 1905 for $430) and am upgrading from a cheap envision 19CRT.

Did I say I didn't like it? No, I like it. I just like the 20.5 a little better. If it's any consolutation, you got a marvelous price on the 19-inch.

 

[BullishDad]

Sadhu, I sent you a PM a couple days ago in reply to the one you sent me. Did you ever receive it?

 

[seanp789]

I actually just purchased the Dell 2005FPW. I might do a full review of it later but here are my inital impressions.

I must say I was very worried about buying an LCD at all. I have heard and read so many bad stories about dead pixels, bad coloring, "screen door effect," etc... I am happy to say I have had no problems thus far and I am very happy I went with a widescreen as opposed to a 4:3. Set up was rather lengthy. The factory presets for color are pretty good although I find myself using color correction for different applications. Nvidia has some easy to adjust settings for overlay/desktop/video. I have not experienced any ghosting problems. Also, widescreen gaming for the games that support it is an interesting change.


Whites are very bright, text is crisp, black is very black. Very dark colors however tend blend into eachother adjusting brightness and contrast works well but isnt perfect. taking time to setup your color profiles is a must.

 

[Sadhu]

Originally posted by: seanp789
I actually just purchased the Dell 2005FPW. I might do a full review of it later but here are my inital impressions.

I must say I was very worried about buying an LCD at all. I have heard and read so many bad stories about dead pixels, bad coloring, "screen door effect," etc... I am happy to say I have had no problems thus far and I am very happy I went with a widescreen as opposed to a 4:3. Set up was rather lengthy. The factory presets for color are pretty good although I find myself using color correction for different applications. Nvidia has some easy to adjust settings for overlay/desktop/video. I have not experienced any ghosting problems. Also, widescreen gaming for the games that support it is an interesting change.


Whites are very bright, text is crisp, black is very black. Very dark colors however tend blend into eachother adjusting brightness and contrast works well but isnt perfect. taking time to setup your color profiles is a must.

I would be very interested to learn how you went about seting up your color profiles. Also, if anyone else has any thoughts on adjustments for the either the FP or the FPw, I would love to hear them. Is there are a different thread somewhere for the tweak-heads who want to learn the best way to go about adjustments (especially these two models)?

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: Naustica

Originally posted by: Ackmed
Just ordered mine.. supposed to ship by Dec 2nd.

Already have a 1800FP, and 2001FP too.

If I could get that 25% off coupon off that Delf game I would too. So far no luck.

Thats what I did. I got one from someone at the Hard forums. I asked if anyone had one... somene PM'd me with it in 5 mins.

I wanted the $35 off coupon too, to offset the tax, since I have 9.25%.. tax was $55. The stackable coupon wasa expired

 

[mboy]

Originally posted by: Sadhu

Originally posted by: mboy
I have a 1905fp on the way and am saddened to learn that u do not like yours ;(

I could have gotten the 2100FP for 600 shipped, but was out of my range (got the 1905 for $430) and am upgrading from a cheap envision 19CRT.

Did I say I didn't like it? No, I like it. I just like the 20.5 a little better. If it's any consolutation, you got a marvelous price on the 19-inch.

Hehehe, thanks

 

[jpthomas]

Originally posted by: Sadhu

Originally posted by: seanp789
I actually just purchased the Dell 2005FPW. I might do a full review of it later but here are my inital impressions.

I must say I was very worried about buying an LCD at all. I have heard and read so many bad stories about dead pixels, bad coloring, "screen door effect," etc... I am happy to say I have had no problems thus far and I am very happy I went with a widescreen as opposed to a 4:3. Set up was rather lengthy. The factory presets for color are pretty good although I find myself using color correction for different applications. Nvidia has some easy to adjust settings for overlay/desktop/video. I have not experienced any ghosting problems. Also, widescreen gaming for the games that support it is an interesting change.


Whites are very bright, text is crisp, black is very black. Very dark colors however tend blend into eachother adjusting brightness and contrast works well but isnt perfect. taking time to setup your color profiles is a must.

I would be very interested to learn how you went about seting up your color profiles. Also, if anyone else has any thoughts on adjustments for the either the FP or the FPw, I would love to hear them. Is there are a different thread somewhere for the tweak-heads who want to learn the best way to go about adjustments (especially these two models)?

I'm curious as well about what color settings people are using on the 2001fp.

 

[imported_cman]

So... again, what is the refresh rate at it's native resolution?

 

[batmanuel]

Originally posted by: mdahc
You're just not paying attention if you really think Dell is low priced. OK, no you can't find a 20" 16ms LCD for $599, that's right, not even from Dell. It retails from them for around $799 plus tax with the occasional 25% off like they have now (oh wait...shipping time of 1-2 weeks, wow, that means they're selling sh*t they don't have in stock and you'll be lucky to get one before Xmas...yes, 1-2 weeks translates into more than a month in Dell terms, and if you don't want to wait that long you have to purchase somewhere else where you being paying $800 or more again). If you guys don't believe me, then try to order something from them with a 1-2 week lead time on their website, then call customer service and ask for the estimated ship date.

Just in case anyone is worried about the availability of the 2005FPW after reading that post, the one I just ordered for my wife's new PC yesterday afternoon has already shipped out (looks like I beat the after Thanksgiving rush like I hoped). So Dell seems to have a good supply of them at the moment. The 2001FPs, on the other hand, those could very well be in short supply since they are better suited to the needs of most users than the widescreen.

 

[amol]

Originally posted by: jimikim
PWNED

Dell 8400
P4 3.2Ghz
1gig DDR2@400
6800 GTO
160gig HD
2005FPW WIDESCREEN 20 INCH ULTRASHARP LCD
Windows XP Pro
Unit Price: $2,157
Discount: -$647.10 (i found some crazy 30% coupon that expired 5 hours after i used it)
Net Price: $1,492.80 (I have no idea how 2157-647.1=1492.8 but that's what the email says....)

give us a review

 

[Ackmed]

How annoying. So I used the Dellf coupon for 25% off LCD's, bringing it down to $600. A few hours afterwards, I found a coupon for $45 off a $400 purchase, which would bring it down to $555, plus tax.

I cant get a hold of anyone from Dell to credit me the other $45. The closest Ive came to is getting someone to verify that the coupon is valid, and stackable, which it is. I keep getting transfered around to people I cant even understand, and never to the right person to credit me. My account has not been charged yet, and I would like to do this before it happens.

 

[imported_Ice Man]

I just ordered an XPS system last week and had been debating going with the 2005FPW widescreen vs. 2001FP. I decided on the widescreen assuming improved technology and the trend to cinematic if not only for a change. Dell had 25% off XPS system. In addition both 20" LCD's had another $150 off so only paid $437 (monitor). The ATI X800 PCIe has 2 DVI out so I'll be comparing with new 4:3 LCD Sony SDM-HS94P 19" (Ultrabrite/12 ms) intended to replace a 19" NEC CRT on 3 yr old Dell 8200 system. It will be interesting comparing color/screen quality although resolution differs. Sony rated quite high 8.8 - 9. Purchased online at Best Buy $499 after $100 rebate (black model was $100 less!? now price back up). I appreciate everyones comments on the pros & cons of the 2005FPW. Looking forward to receiving approx 12/3 - I'll post a follow up.

For another recent user review check out this link:

http://www.neowin.net/forum/lo...index.php/t246836.html

 

[amol]

wow, thanks ice man!

even though i'd like a second opinion (i always do), that looks like a kick@$$ monitor . . . . . . . . .

 

[ramuman]

What's Dell's policy on US Educational Discounts for college students? If I could get another 5% on top of the 25% and $50 off, I'll have to jump on this.

 

[RossMAN]

Considering I am NOT A GAMER will the ATI Radeon 9600XT AIW be sufficient for this LCD?

 

[ponyo]

Originally posted by: RossMAN
Considering I am NOT A GAMER will the ATI Radeon 9600XT AIW be sufficient for this LCD?

Yes. ATI's high resolution DVI compliance is very good so you should have no problem running it at its native resolution for desktop.

Here's an old article that talks about DVI compliance on older generation cards. ExtremeTech DVI Compliance Shootout

ATI Radeon 9600Pro passes with flying colors at 1600x1200. Since 9600XT AIW is based on 9600Pro core, you should have zero worry about the image quality.

FYI, my BFG 6800GT gave lot better image quality than my BFG FX5900 at 1600x1200 desktop. I think it's due to the DVI compliance issue. I noticed a dropoff in image quality in my desktop image when I downgraded to BFG FX5900. BFG support FAQ stated max DVI resolution on old generation cards like FX5900 as 1280x1024. The newer 6800 series have 1600x1200 max DVI res.

 

[R3MF]

what is the 1905FP like for gaming?

it says 20ms, but that means little if you read the latest xbitlabs TFT article. so, is there any ghosting on FPS?

the contrast ratio is awesome compared to most monitors, should make it great for watching video......?

how do you get coupons in the UK? i'm building two PC's for the parents, one before XMAS, and one after. i am looking at buying a 19" screen now, and maybe the 2005FPW after xmas, but i haven't found a good all-round 19".

the dell has slow response
the 12ms viewsonic is only 18bit colour

etc

 

[Sadhu]

Just in case anyone is worried about the availability of the 2005FPW after reading that post, the one I just ordered for my wife's new PC yesterday afternoon has already shipped out (looks like I beat the after Thanksgiving rush like I hoped). So Dell seems to have a good supply of them at the moment. The 2001FPs, on the other hand, those could very well be in short supply since they are better suited to the needs of most users than the widescreen.

[/quote]

Yes, available of many of the can be very good. They may tell you that it's a ten day wait, but this is often to offset user expection of immediate shipment. In reality, it's common for many to ship right away. All three of my monitors, the 19", and both 20.5 inch monitors shipped within 24 hours. The 2001FP and 2005PFw shipped the same day. So I quite agree with banmauel. The info in the anti-dell message was ... if not not anti-christ was certainly anti-dell (grin).

 

[Sadhu]

Originally posted by: BullishDad
Sadhu, I sent you a PM a couple days ago in reply to the one you sent me. Did you ever receive it?

Did I ever tell you that the first 2005FPW that Dell sent me was lost in transit? Yes, I was impatient to get a tracking number, and I asked the salesperson to give it to me so that I could track when it was going to arrive, and they checked, and found out the shipper didn't have any idea where it was. Somebody in the shipping company must have had an extra good pre-christmas Internet session on his computer this year.

In any event, I recommend being a pain the butt, and calling your salesman and getting a tracking number. If you are anxious for your monitor, you might want to make sure it's not "lost" in transit. Dell shipped the replacment same day (and shipped it next day air).

 

[batmanuel]

So based on the extremetech article, it looks like any of the ATi cards with the integrated 165MHz internal TMDS will do well with the larger LCDs.

I've been looking at getting a Sapphire X300 (not the SE version) to run the 2005FPW on my wife's PC (mostly office work - Excel, Quickbooks, web surfing - with a bit of DVD watching mixed in). Since the chipset is 9600-derived and has the integrated TMDS, am I safe to assume that even the $80 OEM card will be fully complaint and run this display beautifully?

EDIT: Anyone think it might be worth it to spend a bit more for a GeForce 6200 or 6600 if she's not going to gaming much? Anyone know how DVI-complaiant they are? For video playback is do you think the X300 would be good enough with the Videoshader tech (we're especially interested in Fullstream to clean up DivX video on the big flatpanel) or does any one think nVidia's video processor on the 6-series cards will be better once the drivers support it?