Dell PowerEdge 400SC (ed: 9/4 offering P4 3.2G for $100) w/ P4 2.8 800FSB hyperthread $448 free ship

[JmsAndrsn]

Originally posted by: lhotdeals
The cpu suppose to run at 400 fsb... if they have pc2700, then it either cause the CPU to run at slower speed or the rams to overclock.

Actually, the CPU will not run at a lower speed and the memory will not be overclocked. The memory will actually run at a lower speed. The CPU will be running at 200 FSB and the motherboard will downclock the memory using a 5:4 divider and this will cause the memory to run at 160 FSB/DDR320.

 

[oaaltone]

Originally posted by: lhotdeals
Hey guys, how come the 400SC ships with 128mb PC2700 Rams? The cpu suppose to run at 400 fsb... if they have pc2700, then it either cause the CPU to run at slower speed or the rams to overclock.

While the initial RAM configuration when you purchased said PC2700, many of the systems are shipping with PC3200. For instance, the 1st 400SC (2.26GHz, 533MHz FSB) I ordered shipped with Dell P/N K0296 (Dual In-Line Memory Module, 128, 333M, 16X72, 4K, Error Correction Code, 184) and the 2nd (2.8GHz, 800MHz FSB) shipped with Dell P/N G2529 (Dual In-Line Memory Module, 128, 400M, 16X72, 8K, Error Correction Code, 184) even though when I ordered it stated: 128MB DDR,ECC,333MHZ,1X128MB,PE400SC

If it has shipped, you can check to see what RAM you're getting. Go here (you may have to log in first), and select the new 400SC's service tag from the left.

 

[ouzome]

I've read the FAQ and the aaltonen forums, but I'm stupid about RAM. Can someone who got a good deal on good ram point me in the right direction? I want to be able to dual channel and use the fastest ram the dell will accept. Thanks in advance.

 

[DonBlack]

Another RAM idiot here... Can someone just give me the right Crucial part # to buy. I'm looking for 2 256MB sticks for dual channel please. Also, what do I do with the 128MB stick that came with the machine? Keep it in there with the 2 256MB ones? Or will that stop the dual channeling? Thanks.

 

[yomamma]

I am no expert RAMmer but I would...

1. go to newegg.

2. After selecting System Memory search for "3200 400".

3. Select from that list Kingston or Crucial.

Let me know if this is NG.

Cheers!

Bill

 

[yuppiejr]

I've heard rumblings that some of the premium "aggressively timed" DDR 400 modules will end up reverting down to DDR 333 speeds for compatibility reasons due to the way the Dell bios reads the SPD. I have no experience with this directly but you might want to do some additional research. If anyone has first-hand knowledge of this I'd be interested in your experience using HyperX or XMS memory with a 400sc.

Newegg sells matched pairs of Kingston DDR 400 - PC 3200 256 modules for $101 shipped on their site (512 megs total) that seem perfect for this system. As soon as I sell off some misc hardware to fund the purchase I'll be installing a set of these in my 400sc.

 

[yomamma]

Mine also came with "Dual In-Line Memory Module, 128, 400M, 16X72, 8K, Error Correction Code, 184."

I should say "is coming". I'll have my head out the window the rest of the day waiting for a delivery truck.

Bill

 

[Whitneymuse]

You may consider going with Kingston's PC3500 HyperX if you want this to actually perform at 400MHz. It's more expensive but from what I gather it has more to do with the JEDEC specifications that were used for PC3200 memory that came out before the actual mobos. Consequently, this PC3200 memory operates at 333MHz, in practice. Not that I'll ever notice it in every day apps.

 

[JmsAndrsn]

Originally posted by: Whitneymuse
You may consider going with Kingston's PC3500 HyperX if you want this to actually perform at 400MHz. It's more expensive but from what I gather it has more to do with the JEDEC specifications that were used for PC3200 memory that came out before the actual mobos. Consequently, this PC3200 memory operates at 333MHz, in practice. Not that I'll ever notice it in every day apps.

I was thinking the same thing about the HyperX. I had a pair of HyperX PC3500 that works fine in the 400SC at DDR400. I then got a pair of HyperX PC3200 as a refurb from Newegg and they must not have the SPD programmed properly because they go back down to DDR333 (maybe they're older modules before JDEC finalized the specs). I also have some Corsair XMS3200C2 and Buffalo PC3700 that also run at DDR333 rather than DDR400.

 

[yhelothar]

yeah i agree with the last post...
i bought some expensive 400MHz cas2 ram from hardcorecooling.us.. and it detects it as 333MHz in the dell... while if i put it in my athlon and run it at SPD.. it'll detect 400MHz cas2....

grr.. also the dell doesn't let you set the speeds too.. i called them.. and they wanted me to buy their ram at their website... 512MB for $150... forget it..

 

[Whitneymuse]

My apologies for not putting this link up earlier... the person has an ASUS board and he's speaking of Corsair PC3200 so keep that in mind, but the story is illustrative of the points we're making. So it comes down to what, in my day-to-day, is going to be affected. Not having seen the difference in an A-B comparison, it's hard for me to imagine. Perhaps one of you who know the differnce can comment for us. Thanks and here's the link: If your DDR400 PC3200 memory reports as running at 333MHz...that's what PC2700 is rated at...you may need to go to PC3500 to get 400MHz

 

[yomamma]

Got it!

(course I would have got it yesterday had I entered the correct address. Man that was a PITA).

I'll post again to let you know how my RAM works out when it arrives.

Thanks again for spotting this Ms. Muse!!! I am in your debt. :sun:

Bill

 

[VSOP]

Instead of the free 2.8 upgrade it looks like its a free PDA

 

[yomamma]

Initial Report:

Up and running.

2.8 P4 is Hyperthreading as I write this.

The 128 mb stick is at 400.

My AGP card is at 4x.

Case is even sweeter than Ollie's nice pix.

One point. If you do install XP be sure to install the chipset drivers immediately after the OS install. Pain guranteed if you forget that (see FAQ mentioned in first post this thread).

The two sticks of 256MB Hyper X RAM and GF FX 5600 should be here any day making this bad mambajamba squeal like a pig. SooWeeeee!

YoMamma

 

[RavMan]

Note: (I am posting this here on AT so that maybe a hardware Guru can answer this question I originally posted on FW)

Like most posters here I am waiting on my 400SC to arrive soon. While considering my memory options I also decided to check on my hard drive options. If you go to the 400SC FAQ and note the picture of the hard drive here, and carefully read the hard drive model (IC35L060AVV207) and then go to IBM's/Hitachi's website here you will notice that the capacity listed for this model of 180GXP is 60GB's. So what gives? The label from the pic clearly shows 40GB's as the capacity. Does Dell have a special deal with IBM/Hitachi? I wouldn't be surprised if they did, however, wouldn't they change the Model number?

EDIT:
Doing some Google research I typed in this model number - IC35L040AVV207 - changing the 6 to a 4 to reflect the 40GB capacity. That search produced this article on X-bit labs. Here is a quote: "....has a 60GB platter ?shortened? to 40GB." Very interesting eh? Maybe somebody at Hitachi/IBM decided to save some money by using the 60GB labels?

 

[yomamma]

I can tell you that Partition Magic shows no unused partitions. Of course I did not try a REAL low level format.

 

[ouzome]

Forgive my ignorance - did I buy the right RAM for optimal performance (Dual, 400Mhz)?

Kingston HyperX KHX3500K2/512 512MB Kit DDR433 PC3500 Memory w/Heat Spreader Retail

Also, if I want to add another 512MB at a later time . . . can I just buy another one of these kits? I assume the two pairs don't have to match each other?

 

[Whitneymuse]

ouzume stated:

Forgive my ignorance - did I buy the right RAM for optimal performance (Dual, 400Mhz)?

It's certainly been reported that Kingston HyperX PC3500 runs at optimum/DDR400 speeds with this board; however, if stock DDR400 (as yomama stated) "runs" at 400MHz, then you may have paid 1.8X for that memory.

Yomama doesn't report any findings from SiSoft in unbuffered tests so it's difficult to tell if your purchase was overkill for this board. Since currently, you can't overclock this Dell version of the i875 board, you may have overbought. I'm certain that the data will start to be reported and we'll know what standard PC3200/DDR400 is operating at with our Dell version of the Intel 875 board. From what I've read, standards for PC3200 were written before the final production i875 chipsets were finalized.

Some PC3200 modules with their SPD timings operated at 333MHz, i.e., PC2700 speeds and that's why early recommendations were for PC3500 memory. One explanation I read was that the memory chips that the early PC3200 modules used were 6nsec and the subsequently successful DDR400 modules were built with 5nsec chips.

Peeps aren't reporting their speeds so it's hard to know what the "real world" data is out there.

 

[yomamma]

Originally posted by: Whitneymuse
It's certainly been reported that Kingston HyperX PC3500 runs at optimum/DDR400 speeds with this board; however, if stock DDR400 (as yomama stated) "runs" at 400MHz, then you may have paid 1.8X for that memory.

Yomama doesn't report any findings from SiSoft in unbuffered tests so it's difficult to tell if your purchase was overkill for this board...

Ask and ye shall receive. Remember this is only the 128 stick that came with. I'll run it again when my addl RAM arrives.

Cheers!

Bill :clock:

SiSoftware Sandra

Int Buff iSSE2 (Integer STREAM) Results Breakdown
Assignment : 2917MB/s
Scaling : 2911MB/s
Addition : 2890MB/s
Triad : 2899MB/s
Data Item Size : 16-bytes
Buffering Used : Yes
Offset Displacement Used : Yes
Bandwidth Efficiency : 91% (estimated)

Float Buff iSSE2 (Float STREAM) Results Breakdown
Assignment : 2979MB/s
Scaling : 2970MB/s
Addition : 2969MB/s
Triad : 2974MB/s
Data Item Size : 16-bytes
Buffering Used : Yes
Offset Displacement Used : Yes
Bandwidth Efficiency : 93% (estimated)

Test Status
Memory Used by Test : 63MB
NUMA Support : No
SMP Test : No
Total Test Threads : 1
SMT Test : Yes
Number of Test SMT (per CPU) : 2
Dynamic MP/MT Load Balance : No
Processor Affinity : No

Chipset 1
Model : Dell Computer Corp 82875P Memory Controller Hub
Front Side Bus Speed : 4x 200MHz (800MHz data rate)
Width : 64-bit
Maximum Bus Bandwidth : 6400MB/s (estimated)

Logical/Chipset 1 Memory Banks
Speed : 2x 200MHz (400MHz data rate)
Width : 64-bit
Maximum Memory Bus Bandwidth : 3200MB/s (estimated)

Features
MMX Technology : Yes
SSE Technology : Yes
SSE2 Technology : Yes
SSE3 Technology : No
HTT - Hyper-Threading Technology : Yes

Performance Tips
Notice 5406 : System bandwidth appears memory limited. Attempt to use higher-performance memory.
Notice 5008 : To change benchmarks, click Options.
Notice 5004 : Synthetic benchmark. May not tally with 'real-life' performance.
Notice 5006 : Only compare the results with ones obtained using the same version!
Tip 2 : Double-click tip or press Enter while a tip is selected for more information about the tip.

AND...

SiSoftware Sandra

Float iSSE2 Cache/Memory Results Breakdown
2kB Blocks : 29798MB/s
4kB Blocks : 30486MB/s
8kB Blocks : 24889MB/s
16kB Blocks : 21416MB/s
32kB Blocks : 21919MB/s
64kB Blocks : 21934MB/s
128kB Blocks : 22136MB/s
256kB Blocks : 20507MB/s
512kB Blocks : 16019MB/s
1MB Blocks : 1697MB/s
4MB Blocks : 1742MB/s
16MB Blocks : 1738MB/s
64MB Blocks : 1607MB/s
Data Item Size : 16-bytes
Buffering Used : No
Offset Displacement Used : Yes

Test Status
NUMA Support : No
SMP Test : No
Total Test Threads : 1
SMT Test : Yes
Number of Test SMT (per CPU) : 2
Dynamic MP/MT Load Balance : No
Processor Affinity : No

Processor
Model : Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.80GHz
Speed : 2.79GHz
Performance Rating : PR3716 (estimated)
Type : Standard
Internal Data Cache : 8kB Synchronous Write-Thru
L2 On-board Cache : 512kB ECC Synchronous ATC

Features
SSE Technology : Yes
SSE2 Technology : Yes
SSE3 Technology : No
HTT - Hyper-Threading Technology : Yes

Chipset 1
Model : Dell Computer Corp 82875P Memory Controller Hub
Front Side Bus Speed : 4x 200MHz (800MHz data rate)
Width : 64-bit
Maximum Bus Bandwidth : 6400MB/s (estimated)

Logical/Chipset 1 Memory Banks
Speed : 2x 200MHz (400MHz data rate)
Width : 64-bit
Maximum Memory Bus Bandwidth : 3200MB/s (estimated)

Performance Tips
Notice 5008 : To change benchmarks, click Options.
Notice 5004 : Synthetic benchmark. May not tally with 'real-life' performance.
Notice 5006 : Only compare the results with ones obtained using the same version!
Tip 2 : Double-click tip or press Enter while a tip is selected for more information about the tip.

 

[DonBlack]

So. based on Yomama's findings with the standard 128MB stick that came with the computer, what can we conclude? That the Kingston HyperX RAM isn't worth the money? Sorry for the stupid questions...

 

[CaseTragedy]

if anyone has an extra 10% off sb coupon, can you please pm me?
my aunt needs a new comp, but this one is a little over her budget.

-thx.

 

[yomamma]

Here now with two 256 MB Kingston HyperX KHX3200A sticks

SiSoftware Sandra

Int Buff iSSE2 (Integer STREAM) Results Breakdown
Assignment : 4426MB/s
Scaling : 4350MB/s
Addition : 4532MB/s
Triad : 4556MB/s
Data Item Size : 16-bytes
Buffering Used : Yes
Offset Displacement Used : Yes
Bandwidth Efficiency : 140% (estimated)

Float Buff iSSE2 (Float STREAM) Results Breakdown
Assignment : 4410MB/s
Scaling : 4433MB/s
Addition : 4539MB/s
Triad : 4563MB/s
Data Item Size : 16-bytes
Buffering Used : Yes
Offset Displacement Used : Yes
Bandwidth Efficiency : 141% (estimated)

Test Status
Memory Used by Test : 255MB
NUMA Support : No
SMP Test : No
Total Test Threads : 1
SMT Test : Yes
Number of Test SMT (per CPU) : 2
Dynamic MP/MT Load Balance : No
Processor Affinity : No

Chipset 1
Model : Dell Computer Corp 82875P Memory Controller Hub
Front Side Bus Speed : 4x 199MHz (796MHz data rate)
Width : 64-bit
Maximum Bus Bandwidth : 6368MB/s (estimated)

Logical/Chipset 1 Memory Banks
Speed : 2x 199MHz (398MHz data rate)
Width : 64-bit
Maximum Memory Bus Bandwidth : 3184MB/s (estimated)

Features
MMX Technology : Yes
SSE Technology : Yes
SSE2 Technology : Yes
SSE3 Technology : No
HTT - Hyper-Threading Technology : Yes

Performance Tips
Notice 5406 : System bandwidth appears memory limited. Attempt to use higher-performance memory.
Notice 5008 : To change benchmarks, click Options.
Notice 5004 : Synthetic benchmark. May not tally with 'real-life' performance.
Notice 5006 : Only compare the results with ones obtained using the same version!
Tip 2 : Double-click tip or press Enter while a tip is selected for more information about the tip.

AND...

SiSoftware Sandra

Float iSSE2 Cache/Memory Results Breakdown
2kB Blocks : 29882MB/s
4kB Blocks : 30570MB/s
8kB Blocks : 24815MB/s
16kB Blocks : 21434MB/s
32kB Blocks : 21986MB/s
64kB Blocks : 22234MB/s
128kB Blocks : 22013MB/s
256kB Blocks : 20544MB/s
512kB Blocks : 16661MB/s
1MB Blocks : 2256MB/s
4MB Blocks : 2308MB/s
16MB Blocks : 2311MB/s
64MB Blocks : 2310MB/s
256MB Blocks : 2306MB/s
Data Item Size : 16-bytes
Buffering Used : No
Offset Displacement Used : Yes

Test Status
NUMA Support : No
SMP Test : No
Total Test Threads : 1
SMT Test : Yes
Number of Test SMT (per CPU) : 2
Dynamic MP/MT Load Balance : No
Processor Affinity : No

Processor
Model : Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.80GHz
Speed : 2.79GHz
Performance Rating : PR3715 (estimated)
Type : Standard
Internal Data Cache : 8kB Synchronous Write-Thru
L2 On-board Cache : 512kB ECC Synchronous ATC

Features
SSE Technology : Yes
SSE2 Technology : Yes
SSE3 Technology : No
HTT - Hyper-Threading Technology : Yes

Chipset 1
Model : Dell Computer Corp 82875P Memory Controller Hub
Front Side Bus Speed : 4x 200MHz (800MHz data rate)
Width : 64-bit
Maximum Bus Bandwidth : 6400MB/s (estimated)

Logical/Chipset 1 Memory Banks
Speed : 2x 200MHz (400MHz data rate)
Width : 64-bit
Maximum Memory Bus Bandwidth : 3200MB/s (estimated)

Performance Tips
Notice 5008 : To change benchmarks, click Options.
Notice 5004 : Synthetic benchmark. May not tally with 'real-life' performance.
Notice 5006 : Only compare the results with ones obtained using the same version!
Tip 2 : Double-click tip or press Enter while a tip is selected for more information about the tip.

 

[Engineer]

New deals....

250 ish for the Celeron unit.

350 ish for the 2.4GHz 800 FSB P4

450 ish for the 2.8GHz 800 FSB P4

100 Instant and 100 MIR. Must have 10% coupon for the deals...sorry gotta run...but better info on FW!

 

[boles]

Anyone have a coupon out there that they are not going to use. I would love to get in on this deal. Please PM me if you have one.

Thanks

[Will pay for it ]

 

[idesignit]

if anyone has the 10% code and is not planning on using it and feels like donating PM me please