Dell vs. building my own

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teddyv

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I've owned three Dell systems in my life, my current rig is a Dell 8100 with several upgrades over the five years I've owned it. My next system will be built.

Why?

Plusses...

1. Warranty. Dell used to have a great warranty as long as you knew how to get around the idiots in Bangalore - they were willing to spend 45 minutes asking you to try a whole litany of stupid tests to avoid replacing a $12 keyboard (the same held true for the mouse and the hard drive.) Now Dells come with a 90-day warranty and you have to pay for the rest. The 1-year extension is only like $29, but to gain parity with most of the parts you will acquire for a build-your-own (usually 3 or more year warranties, some lifetime) you'll have to add a few hundred $$.

2. Quality. With a build-your-own you can buy the best of the best (s/a eVGA vid card instead of just "generic"). You can hunt around for the particular release Venice chip you want, can get a PS guaranteed to perform well as built and well into the future. With a Dell, you get what Dell happened to mass-buy that particular week. Given the parts may well be perfectly sufficient for what you need, but with a build your own you get the ability to buy a Benq 1640 instead of just some generic DVD-R/RW drive.

3. Features. Check out the manual and upgrade portions of the Dell website for the machine you like. Compare the Motherboard to the Motherboard for a build your own. I did this a few months back, comparing a Dell 9100 to an ASUS A8V. You are almost guaranteed to find the Dell board extremely limited in features and future upgradeability. For instance, the 9100 with two optical drives had no slots for additional pata hard drives and only allowed two sata drives - the A8V allowed four sata hard drives, four pata hard drives and two opticals. The Dell had no firewire (you could pay extra for a rear card) and no ps2 for mouse keyboard, the A8V had firewire both front of the case and rear, and of course ps2. Many of the parts (like PS) were Dell-only, and many of the great innovations found in things like the new Sonata II case were completely absent in the Dell machines.

Now the negatives.

1. Dell is ready out of the box. Take it out, plug it in, off you go. With a BYO you'll have to put it together and then load the various drivers and software. The plus side is you get to avoid all the bloatware Dell loads into the system, the downside of course that things don't always come together smoothly with a BYO.

2. When things go wrong there is no 1-800 number to call with all the answers with a BYO - though Dell is notorious for the "let's start by reformatting your Hard Drive" types of solutions it is still better for the novice than having to learn how to troubleshoot on the fly. Anandtech is an amazing resource but it takes time and patience, with Dell you don't have to learn anything just follow test directions and be able to remove and box up defective parts.

I weighed all the pros and cons and for me a BYO overwhelmingly won out. The ability to pick my own parts and manufacturers, the better warranties, the far greater features and expandability figured prominently in my decision. I did pick the pieces based on stability and reliability (starting with the Epox 939 Ultra) and have devoured all of the build threads on Anandtech and wherever else I could find them. I also enjoy putting things together, and am looking forward to getting it all together.

I'd weigh all these things and decide what is better for you, then go for it
 

bladephoenix

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If you don't plan on upgrading your computer, Dell. Otherwise, build it yourself. It's very fun and once you do it, and if you find you like it, you won't mind spending the extra cash or time.

Although I don't know if Dell has fixed this in recent years, I have worked with a number of HP and Dells in the pre-Ghz era. Man those things would make me want to kill myself. It's not the technology, cause that's OK, its just not meant to be user-serviceable (why would it be?). You see, the cases have are almost made in such a way upgrading is a pain: ie: places where you can't replace certain drives without breaking a finger, places that you can't access using a phillips screwdriver and have to bend the metal on the case to get access to certain screws, and the layout of them aren't really logical (I remember I cut my ring finger two or three times trying to take the mobo out on one of those things).

Also, I remember on my old Dimension 4100 (which I currently use as a personal file server), I tried replacing the PSU with an Antec. No reason why it couldn't work...it was an ATX PSU, lots of current, and had all the standard plugs. Didn't power up. Pop the Dell PSU in again...works. Dunno why ... I guess some of the less serviced parts are specifically made to run on their boards in guess and will not take any other brand. Keep that in mind. If you build it yourself, you can use any part you want, anytime. Dell might not be that way.
 

michal1980

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if ur going cheap go dell, i've built cheap pcs for people before and while it can be done, it is extremly furstrating.

u also forgot to add a copy of win xp to your cart.

and ur x800xl would probably be better replaced by a similiar prices 7800gt

or if u want to save some cash, get the 800gto, ~ 200 bucks and do the bios mod

ur ram prices are also over priced, should be able to get the 1 gig for about 100 bucks

the processor should be alot less at about 130

harddrive average cost,
the 3540 even with retail bundle on a deal is only like 45 bucks,

so really sound be about 1100 with win xp, all the other stuff u listed and a 7800 gt, if u go with the gto it'll be about 100 bucks less
so u'd have 300 bucks lef over for keyboard/mous/lcd etc.
and
 
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I have concluded DELL is BS.

If your motherboard dies, you're getting a new mobo + a new PSU because the PSUs are proprietary and wired differently. Or you can shell out like $20 for some exorbitantly priced converter. Half the new mobos have trouble fitting in Dells, and yea.. they suck. No more.

I used to recommend Dell to people who can't build or people who aren't cool enough that I feel like building too. Now Id ont even know what to recommend. BTW my opinion just changed this weekend after I serviced a Dell and killed the motherboard and realized I can't go out to Fry's to grab a $50 replacement.
 

bladephoenix

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Originally posted by: DLeRium
I have concluded DELL is BS.

If your motherboard dies, you're getting a new mobo + a new PSU because the PSUs are proprietary and wired differently. Or you can shell out like $20 for some exorbitantly priced converter. Half the new mobos have trouble fitting in Dells, and yea.. they suck. No more.

I used to recommend Dell to people who can't build or people who aren't cool enough that I feel like building too. Now Id ont even know what to recommend. BTW my opinion just changed this weekend after I serviced a Dell and killed the motherboard and realized I can't go out to Fry's to grab a $50 replacement.


You forgot to also mention their "user-friendly" cases.
 

DrMrLordX

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Why order from Dell? You can get a nice custom-configured system from Monarch or somebody like that. That way, you can pick an Intel or AMD rig, and you won't ever had to put anything together yourself.
 

inkbrush

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Userofcomputer,
You are doing a wise thing by asking questions. I myself have an old Dell Dimension 4600 that I have upgraded a great deal over the years. I decided to never buy a Dell after so many little nightmares and inconveniences. The worst part was when their cheap-ass power supply failed in after about a year. Turns out a lot of other 4600 users had the same problem. Dell uses a lot of proprietary parts that are low in quality and makes upgrading difficult. If you build your own system, you will learn a lot and feel good about what you did.

I was surprised by the price of the components for your custom system. This must sound dumb, but I am guessing the prices are in Canadian dollars? I am in the US, so those prices seem impossibly expensive.

Good luck and have fun.
 

hurtstotalktoyou

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Originally posted by: userofcomputer
Ok, I have put together two systems, one Dell and one I build myself. Only considering the price/performance aspect what do you think? (They're not set in stone, feel free to come with suggestions).

Dell Dimension 9150:
Intel Pentium 4 630
Dell Motherboard
Based on Intel 945P chipset
Unknown manufacturer
2048MB PC4200 DDR2 533MHz (4x512)
Unknown manufacturer GeForce 6800
Unknown manufacturer
160GB 8MB 7200rpm S-ATA 1.5 GB/s
Unknown manufacturer
DVD+/-RW
Dell Case
Dell PSU
Additional features:
Dell 17" Value Flat Panel
Internal 9-in-1 Flash Card Reader
Windows XP Home Edition SP2
Dell crap keyboard and mouse
Dell: $1351

Mine:
AMD Athlon 64 3200+ Venice $253
MSI K8N NEO4-F $116
Corsair Value Select $138
1024 MB PC3200 DDR 400MHZ CL2.5 (2x512)
Asus Radeon X800XL $350
Western Digital Caviar $116
200GB 8MB 7200rpm S-ATA2 3GB/s
NEC ND-3540A $58
DVD±R/RW Dual Layer
Thermaltake Soprano $116
Fortron/Source $45
300W
Mine: $1195

What would you choose?

Oh, geez, definitely the custom-built! But I'd make two changes: Instead of the MSI board, get the EPoX EP-9NPA+ Ultra. It's a bit more expensive, but its overclocking features are essential. To make room in your budget, go with the 3000+ instead of the 3200+. It has a slower stock speed, but the overclocking potential is about the same (2.7-2.8 GHz).

Also, are you in Canada? Why are the prices so high?

Athlon 64 3200+ Venice ($190) or Athlon 64 3000+ Venice ($146)
MSI K8N NEO4-F ($84) or Epox board ($108)
Corsair ValueSelect 1GB ($89)
Asus Radeon X800XL ($277)
WD 200GB SATA2 ($100)
NEC ND-3540A ($39)
Thermaltake Soprano ($91)
Fortron Source 300W PSU dual rail ($30)

That comes out to $900, which is $295 less than the prices you quoted. If you make the modifications I suggested, it's only $880.
 

hurtstotalktoyou

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Sweden? Hmm...

That's a tough decision, then. Here in America it's a lot cheaper to build your own system. Apparently that is not always the case in other nations. I'd still recommend doing it yourself, though. See how much that Epox board costs, and if you need to make room in your budget, go for the 3000+ Venice.

If you decide to get a pre-built system, check out HP/Compaq. I don't know whether or not they ship to Sweden, but if they do you might be able to get something better than that P4 630, which is about on par with a 3000+ or 3200+ Athlon 64.
 

redhatlinux

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I've built so many that I've lost count but my last system came from Dell. The mobo is Intel, silk screened over as Dell. It should be possible to change the bios if you are interested in O'cing. No issues with quality, didn't need to use the support. Many folks advocate installing your own OS, I just deleted all the crap I didn't need, used Firefox and Thunderbird instead of the MS garbage and the system became fast and reliable. (it was only a 2.8 GHZ HT P4). Considering the cost of the OS and apps that are useful couldn't beat it with a stick.
 

Bonesdad

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Originally posted by: sniperruff
i'd get a dell for my next computer when this one goes kaput. it was fun building it, but i want a near silent PC that's fast and cheap. dell it is.



The PC i built last summer is dead silent and just as cheap as a dell.
 

LIVAN

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Originally posted by: Bonesdad
Originally posted by: sniperruff
i'd get a dell for my next computer when this one goes kaput. it was fun building it, but i want a near silent PC that's fast and cheap. dell it is.



The PC i built last summer is dead silent and just as cheap as a dell.





I have built about 14 PC in last 10 years. I just bought a Dell 9150. You haven't heard Silent until you hear this one. It was quieter then my last 2 Water cooling rigs, .
 

thegorx

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build your own
get a quality motherboard check support and bios updates
if bios updates or support suggest a major problem even if it's said to be fixed avoid buying that mainboard,
Also when building your own system you usually can get better warranties than just a one year especially for your hard drive.
 

alkemyst

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for most Dell

If you have specialized needs and know hardware build your own.

That said...building your own is WAY more expensive, but in the long run may not be so, if you upgrade regularly.

I started my current box almost 10 years ago.

The Superdrive and MS Ergonomic keyboard may be the only components that survived. Other oldy's are the Plextor Ultraplex wide.

In the long run DIY is cheaper IMHO.

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Lasthitlarry

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What I like about DIY is that you know what you are putting in your computer. You pick out the parts that are just right for you, without worrying about price increases for customization. You also start your computer and have a clean desktop and start menu, free of any software crap. It is also, cheaper, if you know what you are doing.

Building your own is geared toward the non gamer/builder, imho, while people who don't know about hardware would be better off either learning how to build for about a year, or leavin it to the builders.

I will say this tho, if you choose not to DIY, please don't go with Dell, go with Monarch or HP, or even eMachines.
 

alkemyst

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Originally posted by: Lasthitlarry

I will say this tho, if you choose not to DIY, please don't go with Dell, go with Monarch or HP, or even eMachines.

and why?

Also it's not that possible to build the average desktop cheaper than the big guys anymore.
 

Lasthitlarry

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Originally posted by: alkemyst
Originally posted by: Lasthitlarry

I will say this tho, if you choose not to DIY, please don't go with Dell, go with Monarch or HP, or even eMachines.

and why?

Also it's not that possible to build the average desktop cheaper than the big guys anymore.

Read the rest of my post, I said that non DIY is good for non gamers/builders and I choose not to go with Dell because I simply don't like them, they usually have problems because they choose cheap parts and aren't for the gamer type.

These are all my opinions of course, also most companies use Intel...
 

alkemyst

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Originally posted by: Lasthitlarry

These are all my opinions of course, also most companies use Intel...

I see now...but most companies are using Intel in Dell boxes.

We have a Forune 500 of 6000 users it's an older mix of HP/Compaq and newer Dells (GX270, GX280).

Our servers are HP

All use Intel chips.
 

Lasthitlarry

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Originally posted by: alkemyst
Originally posted by: Lasthitlarry

These are all my opinions of course, also most companies use Intel...

I see now...but most companies are using Intel in Dell boxes.

We have a Forune 500 of 6000 users it's an older mix of HP/Compaq and newer Dells (GX270, GX280).

Our servers are HP

All use Intel chips.

Right, and the Dell GX260s, 270s, 280s, and 620s all have heat/capacitor issues.

It is fine for a company to still use Intel, even though AMD clearly has better architecture, is cheaper(usually), and is designed for gamers in mind.

I work for a company that has strictly Dell, and we have so many issues replacing motherboards with bad capacitors(course this is not exactly Dell's fault, but still). And the new 620s have no case fans, and overheat the hard drive
 

LIVAN

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Originally posted by: Lasthitlarry
Originally posted by: alkemyst
Originally posted by: Lasthitlarry

These are all my opinions of course, also most companies use Intel...

I see now...but most companies are using Intel in Dell boxes.

We have a Forune 500 of 6000 users it's an older mix of HP/Compaq and newer Dells (GX270, GX280).

Our servers are HP

All use Intel chips.


Big AMD fan here but their x2 DUal COre is having major issues with game crashes and lagging. (Read in AMD forums)

Right, and the Dell GX260s, 270s, 280s, and 620s all have heat/capacitor issues.

It is fine for a company to still use Intel, even though AMD clearly has better architecture, is cheaper(usually), and is designed for gamers in mind.

I work for a company that has strictly Dell, and we have so many issues replacing motherboards with bad capacitors(course this is not exactly Dell's fault, but still). And the new 620s have no case fans, and overheat the hard drive

 
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