Delusion and General Stupidity

[Cogman]

Originally posted by: bfdd
50C is cool at idle and daily usage? Jesus christ... Did we actually see someone say that about a NEW cpu in this day and age? My god my CPU hits 59C-62C under FULL LOAD, Idle is half that around 25C jesus christ that's a hot CPU idle, wtf is it at load?

umm, you do realize with speedstep (or amds PowerNow, or whatever it is called) that idle temps have really dropped. However, some people disable these features as they feel it makes their computers more responsive. As well, it does make them slightly more overclockable. A CPU with those helps disabled could easily Idle at 50C and load at 60C. A 10C jump from Idle to load in the olden days when cpus didn't have these enhancements was pretty normal.

That being said, saying that someones CPU is inefficent or hot based solely on the Thermal data they give you is a bad call. Some people (ok, most of the non-overclocker world) don't have good cooling or even take a second thought that high heat can cause problems. On the other hand, some people get extreme cooling (water cooling + pelter cooling or phase change cooling). Basically with current cooling technology, any CPU can be run at temperatures ranging from -40C->70C.

A better measure of how "hot" a cpu truly is is the amount of watts it consumes, but alas even that is hard to measure because AMD and Intel have different definitions of TDP. As I recall, AMDs phenoms are a little less power efficient then intels C2D, but not by a huge margin.

 

[Zstream]

Originally posted by: Idontcare

Originally posted by: Zstream
You do know that at stock the phenom generally equals the performance of the q6600. It is a little on the -5% margin but still.

At stock what? (9600? 9900?) Are you stating that a 2.4GHz Phenom is at performance parity with a Q6600? Scaled for cost parity? Scaled for Power Consumption parity?

I must admit I missed the benchmark reviews you are referring to, everything I have seen tends to show 2.6GHz Phenom < 2.4 GHz Kentsfield in the performance, and << when it comes to performance/watt.

http://www.tomshardware.com/20...om_9600_black_edition/

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuch...ts/showdoc.aspx?i=3153

http://www.lostcircuits.com/cpu/amd_phenom/

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articl...amd-phenom9600-be.html

Just like the idiots on the AMD forum, I stated that it gets around -5% on average.

 

[GFORCE100]

Originally posted by: Arkaign
http://www.amdzone.com/phpbb3/...opic.php?f=52&t=135170

Read the first page of this thread and try not to LOL more than 5 times or shake your head in astonished sadness.

I mean, I know there are gullible, stupid people out there. But ye gads, the extent that these people bend and dodge and lie to try to prop themselves up is incredible. They should go into politics.

I'm neutral in the CPU maker deal. I could care less about what's in my system or my customer's system, provided it was a good deal at the time (price vs. getting the same performance level from the competition, etc) and does the job well enough.

Historically, I've more often than not recommended AMD processors, but of course these days, they only offer any value at the absolute low end of the spectrum. That may change, hopefully, but it's how things stand for now.

Man, read some of the posts and then sit back in amazement at how far out some of those people are. The OP is about the only sane poster in that thread.

It's exactly the same if you just sit and listen to all these folks phoning up and venting their opinion about politics. You'll find a large chunk of people saying things that clearly indicate their IQ is somewhat lacking but this only fuels them more so they keep on saying the underdog political party (whatever it is, whichever country it is from) is superior and has the best practises, politicians, plans, speches and whatever else.

So why be surprised about others doing exactly the same on the CPU front?

 

[bfdd]

Originally posted by: Cogman

Originally posted by: bfdd
50C is cool at idle and daily usage? Jesus christ... Did we actually see someone say that about a NEW cpu in this day and age? My god my CPU hits 59C-62C under FULL LOAD, Idle is half that around 25C jesus christ that's a hot CPU idle, wtf is it at load?

umm, you do realize with speedstep (or amds PowerNow, or whatever it is called) that idle temps have really dropped. However, some people disable these features as they feel it makes their computers more responsive. As well, it does make them slightly more overclockable. A CPU with those helps disabled could easily Idle at 50C and load at 60C. A 10C jump from Idle to load in the olden days when cpus didn't have these enhancements was pretty normal.

That being said, saying that someones CPU is inefficent or hot based solely on the Thermal data they give you is a bad call. Some people (ok, most of the non-overclocker world) don't have good cooling or even take a second thought that high heat can cause problems. On the other hand, some people get extreme cooling (water cooling + pelter cooling or phase change cooling). Basically with current cooling technology, any CPU can be run at temperatures ranging from -40C->70C.

A better measure of how "hot" a cpu truly is is the amount of watts it consumes, but alas even that is hard to measure because AMD and Intel have different definitions of TDP. As I recall, AMDs phenoms are a little less power efficient then intels C2D, but not by a huge margin.

And most reviews I've read show the Phenom using more power at idle, even though it's close, but a lot more underload and the temps were quite a bit higher. It doesn't make sense to me 50C at idle is HIGH. I don't even think my old p4 was that hot.

 

[AmberClad]

Originally posted by: nyker96
I don't think this is much surprise coming from AMDZone, I bet in the days of P4 vs A64s or P-D vs X2s all the Intel fan sites are saying similar things to justify them buying Intel cpus.

There are no Intel fan sites that I'm aware of :laugh:. That sort of thing seems more common among AMD, Linux, and Apple. There is no geek cred to be had by supporting Microsoft, Intel, and Dell (aka the Evil Empire, the Dark Side, and...I don't know what Dell would be called). That's not to say there aren't delusion Intel fans, just that there are no sites devoted to worshipping Intel.

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: AmberClad

Originally posted by: nyker96
I don't think this is much surprise coming from AMDZone, I bet in the days of P4 vs A64s or P-D vs X2s all the Intel fan sites are saying similar things to justify them buying Intel cpus.

There are no Intel fan sites that I'm aware of :laugh:. That sort of thing seems more common among AMD, Linux, and Apple. There is no geek cred to be had by supporting Microsoft, Intel, and Dell (aka the Evil Empire, the Dark Side, and...I don't know what Dell would be called). That's not to say there aren't delusion Intel fans, just that there are no sites devoted to worshipping Intel.

Yep, and then you have the turncoat websites who hoped to cash in and ride on AMD's coattails while it was doing well, but then jumped ship to keep up the page hits when Conroe rolled around.

Anyone here remember AMD3D? Now CPU3D...LOLZ :laugh:

 

[Cogman]

Originally posted by: bfdd
And most reviews I've read show the Phenom using more power at idle, even though it's close, but a lot more underload and the temps were quite a bit higher. It doesn't make sense to me 50C at idle is HIGH. I don't even think my old p4 was that hot.

Your right, it is high, so that guy should get a better cooler and turn on amds powersaving features. Did you read my post before responding to it?

BTW the old P4s where MUCH more power inefficient then anything on the market today. Your old P4 generally ranked at 85-115W (not the oldest P4s, but the prescotts and later). Believe me, it was consuming more power and producing more heat then the Phenom does, hands down. That just shows that you had a better cooler then this guy does, thats it.

 

[olmer]

As avid AMD supporter as i am (and have been over the many many years) i must admit that competition?s (spIntel?s) offerings can indeed appear more attractive to some (those less educated) consumers be it as it may due to extensive marketing (viral mostly because they cannot afford a proper ?sticker? advertisement and a solid fan base as AMD enjoys) and (somewhat questionable as portrayed by the pro-spIntel?s media) and indeed insignificant edge in so called ?synthetic? benchmarks (as opposed to real time computing which you and i normally do) with the suits made by some software companies in competition?s (spIntel?s) pockets (we all know that);

BUT(t) if you do take care to take into consideration all accompanied costs of competition?s (spIntel?s) platform ? e.g. DDR3, hugely expensive x48 motherboards, huge coolers with 350mm fans and therefore enormous (rattling) cases required for overclocking of their buggy (not yet confirmed but there are solid indications) products ?

IT IS CLEAR that AMD is a WINNER!!!

?FusionMaster? AMD High Supreme



Sorry if such username really exists.

 

[zsdersw]

Originally posted by: olmer
As avid AMD supporter as i am (and have been over the many many years) i must admit that competition?s (spIntel?s) offerings can indeed appear more attractive to some (those less educated) consumers be it as it may due to extensive marketing (viral mostly because they cannot afford a proper ?sticker? advertisement and a solid fan base as AMD enjoys) and (somewhat questionable as portrayed by the pro-spIntel?s media) and indeed insignificant edge in so called ?synthetic? benchmarks (as opposed to real time computing which you and i normally do) with the suits made by some software companies in competition?s (spIntel?s) pockets (we all know that);

BUT(t) if you do take care to take into consideration all accompanied costs of competition?s (spIntel?s) platform ? e.g. DDR3, hugely expensive x48 motherboards, huge coolers with 350mm fans and therefore enormous (rattling) cases required for overclocking of their buggy (not yet confirmed but there are solid indications) products ?

IT IS CLEAR that AMD is a WINNER!!!

?FusionMaster? AMD High Supreme



Sorry if such username really exists.

I'm not sure if this guy is for real or if he's being sarcastic.

 

[Markfw]

Originally posted by: olmer
As avid AMD supporter as i am (and have been over the many many years) i must admit that competition?s (spIntel?s) offerings can indeed appear more attractive to some (those less educated) consumers be it as it may due to extensive marketing (viral mostly because they cannot afford a proper ?sticker? advertisement and a solid fan base as AMD enjoys) and (somewhat questionable as portrayed by the pro-spIntel?s media) and indeed insignificant edge in so called ?synthetic? benchmarks (as opposed to real time computing which you and i normally do) with the suits made by some software companies in competition?s (spIntel?s) pockets (we all know that);

BUT(t) if you do take care to take into consideration all accompanied costs of competition?s (spIntel?s) platform ? e.g. DDR3, hugely expensive x48 motherboards, huge coolers with 350mm fans and therefore enormous (rattling) cases required for overclocking of their buggy (not yet confirmed but there are solid indications) products ?

IT IS CLEAR that AMD is a WINNER!!!

?FusionMaster? AMD High Supreme



Sorry if such username really exists.

If you are going to post sarcasm, why don;t you use a wink or something to let us know. If this is not sarcasm, we don't need this kind is flamebait here, as everything you have said is not supportable.

 

[Martimus]

Originally posted by: zsdersw

Originally posted by: olmer
As avid AMD supporter as i am (and have been over the many many years) i must admit that competition?s (spIntel?s) offerings can indeed appear more attractive to some (those less educated) consumers be it as it may due to extensive marketing (viral mostly because they cannot afford a proper ?sticker? advertisement and a solid fan base as AMD enjoys) and (somewhat questionable as portrayed by the pro-spIntel?s media) and indeed insignificant edge in so called ?synthetic? benchmarks (as opposed to real time computing which you and i normally do) with the suits made by some software companies in competition?s (spIntel?s) pockets (we all know that);

BUT(t) if you do take care to take into consideration all accompanied costs of competition?s (spIntel?s) platform ? e.g. DDR3, hugely expensive x48 motherboards, huge coolers with 350mm fans and therefore enormous (rattling) cases required for overclocking of their buggy (not yet confirmed but there are solid indications) products ?

IT IS CLEAR that AMD is a WINNER!!!

?FusionMaster? AMD High Supreme



Sorry if such username really exists.

I'm not sure if this guy is for real or if he's being sarcastic.

I hope that you are being sarcastic, because that seemed way too far over the top and just plain insanely idiotic in some cases to believe that he was serious. (AMD having more marketing dollars? Having a bigger fanbase? 350mm fans?) It seems that he was obviously trying to make some people have a little chuckle based on a truly outrageous post.

 

[olmer]

I thought wink is not needed ? it is pretty much clear. Why would you consider the above seriously is beyond me unless I somehow offended you (did not intend to). I hear some young people get offended seeing AMD/Intel/nVidia badges on their friends? computers. I really hope I am not replying to someone like that ? that is scary.

On this sad note ? I do pity all people with strong believes (whatever their nature is).

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: Idontcare

Originally posted by: amenx
If you really want to go off the deep end... http://sharikou.blogspot.com/

Delusional to the extreme.

I find it sad to see folks who wear this AMD/Intel rivalry like a badge of crusades on their shoulders.

Surely a better cause in the name of humanity can be found. Why not blog on the travesties of human rights violations in Africa, China, India?

Instead they choose to spend their time rallying to the noble (?) cause of defending one corporation's battle against another corporation. All over who makes the most financial gain? What a waste, it's just business.

That's not even geeky sad, that's just your plain'ole everyday "ahh" sad.

^^^ Truth

 

[zsdersw]

Originally posted by: Martimus
I hope that you are being sarcastic, because that seemed way too far over the top and just plain insanely idiotic in some cases to believe that he was serious. (AMD having more marketing dollars? Having a bigger fanbase? 350mm fans?) It seems that he was obviously trying to make some people have a little chuckle based on a truly outrageous post.

You give people on the Internet posting in message boards and forums far too much credit. There is really no such thing as "too far over the top and just plain insanely idiotic to believe that he was serious"

 

[zach0624]

Originally posted by: amenx
If you really want to go off the deep end... http://sharikou.blogspot.com/

lol at

Intel copied everything from AMD Hector Ruiz said it right. The INQ says Intel made money and AMD lost money. Of course, a copycat like Intel makes money, because it just steals the R&D from AMD, saving vast amounts of investments. AMD, on the other hand, did all the hard research work. But all that will change soon. Once K10 ramps up, Intel is finished.

 

[chinaman1472]

Man, even though I was warned, I'm pretty sure lost some brain cells and about 30 mins of sleep over that shit, which I should be doing right now.

 

[liebremx]

Originally posted by: zach0624

Originally posted by: amenx
If you really want to go off the deep end... http://sharikou.blogspot.com/

lol at

Intel copied everything from AMD Hector Ruiz said it right. The INQ says Intel made money and AMD lost money. Of course, a copycat like Intel makes money, because it just steals the R&D from AMD, saving vast amounts of investments. AMD, on the other hand, did all the hard research work. But all that will change soon. Once K10 ramps up, Intel is finished.

We all know that AMD invented the transistor, the IC and last but not least sliced bread and popcorn

Probably the real deal behind that guy is to make money through page views because otherwise the conclusion is that he is idiotic.

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: chinaman1472
Man, even though I was warned, I'm pretty sure lost some brain cells and about 30 mins of sleep over that shit, which I should be doing right now.

:laugh:

 

[nerp]

Originally posted by: olmer
I thought wink is not needed ? it is pretty much clear. Why would you consider the above seriously is beyond me unless I somehow offended you (did not intend to). I hear some young people get offended seeing AMD/Intel/nVidia badges on their friends? computers. I really hope I am not replying to someone like that ? that is scary.

On this sad note ? I do pity all people with strong believes (whatever their nature is).

I think the fact that people weren't sure you were being sarcastic or not paints a telling picture: some fanboys, either AMD OR Intel, don't sound much different. Scary, eh?

Nice job nailing the character.

 

[ShawnD1]

Originally posted by: AVP
I only read the first sentence "as big an AMD supporter as I have been over the years, it's weird for me to contemplate that Intel is a better choice at the moment" and I stopped. I just don't get it.

It appears to me that fanboyism and intelligence are mutually exclusive. At least consumer intelligence...where do these people get off thinking that their undying support is relevant to anyone but themselves?

I know a guy who's hardcore into brand loyalty, and he constantly gets ripped off because of it. He bought a horrible GMC Jimmy specifically because it was a GMC, and the repairs on that vehicle are way more than what he paid for the vehicle. He may be paying through the nose to fix that vehicle all the time but he swears it's a great vehicle simply because it's a certain brand.

Same thing here. People will rip themselves off to support a certain company, AMD in this case, and swear it's the right thing to do.

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: ShawnD1

Originally posted by: AVP
I only read the first sentence "as big an AMD supporter as I have been over the years, it's weird for me to contemplate that Intel is a better choice at the moment" and I stopped. I just don't get it.

It appears to me that fanboyism and intelligence are mutually exclusive. At least consumer intelligence...where do these people get off thinking that their undying support is relevant to anyone but themselves?

I know a guy who's hardcore into brand loyalty, and he constantly gets ripped off because of it. He bought a horrible GMC Jimmy specifically because it was a GMC, and the repairs on that vehicle are way more than what he paid for the vehicle. He may be paying through the nose to fix that vehicle all the time but he swears it's a great vehicle simply because it's a certain brand.

Same thing here. People will rip themselves off to support a certain company, AMD in this case, and swear it's the right thing to do.

The psychological underpinnings of the notion of brand loyalty is yet one more aspect of why free markets are doomed to consumer-side inefficiencies.

Not that free markets need to be ideal in order to function adequately, but we humans suck at being the ideal consumers that free market theory assumes we are.

On the flip-side, I am glad people find reasons to buy supposedly inferior products and find value in those purchases even if the purely analytical accountant would be binary about the viability of entire product lines, it greases the gears of corporate diversity so we all have more options tomorrow.

 

[amenx]

Found this posted over there:

Intel Users Less Intelligent Than AMD

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: amenx
Found this posted over there:

Intel Users Less Intelligent Than AMD

It's true. Those less intelligent Intel users probably have sex a little more often too. Oh and things like bathing and eating 3 meals a day (none of which involve hot pockets over a keyboard while going on hour 18 of a WOW session) are likely happening more frequently with the teh stupido Intel crowd

Tongue-in-cheek folks, tounge-in-cheek.

 

[amenx]

Another cool quote from the mod there the_Ghost:

i don't know where you get uour information, but in reality, so far, intel has never released a quad core, i don't call a cpu with two dual core dies on it a quad core

this would be like selling some one two motorcycles welded together and call it a car

 

[BlueAcolyte]

That article is from about a year ago... When it was still a good idea to buy AMD.