Demigod community questions

[mwmorph]

Alright I'm going to admit, I'm no hardcore gamer. I'll play games, but I'm not one to play them on Hardcore difficulty ore enjoy playing in clan/guild matches or whatnot, I just want to play game and have fun, not obsess about every little detail.

I'm not bad, but I'm far from good. A year or so ago, I decided to try DOTA. Not a bad game, a little overly complex and hardcore, but it was different from the normal Warcraft 3 and custom games so it was alright, but I have to say the community were some of the worst I've ever had the displeasure of encountering.

Before I even started playing, I got kicked from most games, before even starting my first game because I wasn't on their allowed list (not having a reputation since I've never played and all). After my first 2 or 3 games, I always ended up on the ban list for not knowing exactly how to play. I'm not talking about feeding a 1-12 kill/death ratio but like using a ability 2 seconds too late or buying a wrong item so I was even just a bit under .500(I think i was like 6-8, 7-9 something like that) in random pick up games no less.

Now I need to know, is Demigod's community anywhere near as hardcore and "SUPR-SERIUS"-retarded about their game, or can I hop into a game, be an average player and not be completely flamed and banned out of my ass for it? In other words, is the community actually made up of people or just random 12 year olds? Is Demigod a game or a lifestyle?

 

[Kromis]

I think its way too early to tell.

 

[cirrhosis]

Demigod is a game. It's aimed at a more casual crowd than DOTA, but hardcore players can still find something to like about Demigod.

DOTA's community is notorious for being awful and immature. I'd place them at a similar level to the strictest FO purists on NMA-Fallout.

 

[TidusZ]

I've had a few 2v2 and 3v3 games where I was the highest level on either team and generally doing really well and my teammate was terrible and we end up losing, and there is nothing more frustrating than losing no matter what you do because your teammate is probably slobbering all over his trackball. When this happens, I've been known to talk a little bit of trash, but not as much as I did in DoTA simply because this game is new and you have to expect a certain amount of nubness right now. I played dota from 2004 onward and noobs wrecking games resulted in the full extent of my wrath. Wonderful team The infamous one man team

If your an average player I don't think you'd have much to worry about, but if you join my team and go 0-17 while running in and suiciding or staying way back behind our towers while I'm trying to get something going, then yes you will receive smack talk. There are others like me. Beware.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: cirrhosis
Demigod is a game. It's aimed at a more casual crowd than DOTA, but hardcore players can still find something to like about Demigod.

DOTA's community is notorious for being awful and immature. I'd place them at a similar level to the strictest FO purists on NMA-Fallout.

agreed. i played DOTA at a LAN party with a friend of mine, but people were getting pissed since it was the first time i had ever played.

there's no crazy denying in demigod, but there is plenty of room for strategy and competition, IMO. and of course, teamwork is required to really lay the smackdown (like what happened to me last night )

 

[IEC]

We play DotA around the dorms occasionally when there is slack time (rare these days). I agree that most of the "community" is stupid and immature. If you ever want to play against nubs we'll probably be playing via Garena starting May 1 (when the guys in my hall are done with exams and waiting until graduation)

 

[Saga]

Originally posted by: TidusZ
I've had a few 2v2 and 3v3 games where I was the highest level on either team and generally doing really well and my teammate was terrible and we end up losing, and there is nothing more frustrating than losing no matter what you do because your teammate is probably slobbering all over his trackball. When this happens, I've been known to talk a little bit of trash, but not as much as I did in DoTA simply because this game is new and you have to expect a certain amount of nubness right now. I played dota from 2004 onward and noobs wrecking games resulted in the full extent of my wrath. Wonderful team The infamous one man team

If your an average player I don't think you'd have much to worry about, but if you join my team and go 0-17 while running in and suiciding or staying way back behind our towers while I'm trying to get something going, then yes you will receive smack talk. There are others like me. Beware.

No joke. Text

 

[xCxStylex]

Demigod? What is this? Reading the wikipedia entry, it sounds like a great game

I've been playing dota off and on since like beta .6 in RoC. I'm playing it lately, but the community is THE single worst I've ever encountered. The problem lies in the anonymity (recreating account names) and immaturity (excessive racism, bigotry, swearing, and unnecessary trash talking) of battle.net.

 

[Moneeb]

I heard it's a wonderful game. I'm actually trying to buy it, but I'm not certain if my computer can handle it. I have an ATI x600, do you think I can handle it possibly on lowest?

 

[Jakeisbest]

Originally posted by: mwmorph
Alright I'm going to admit, I'm no hardcore gamer. I'll play games, but I'm not one to play them on Hardcore difficulty ore enjoy playing in clan/guild matches or whatnot, I just want to play game and have fun, not obsess about every little detail.

I'm not bad, but I'm far from good. A year or so ago, I decided to try DOTA. Not a bad game, a little overly complex and hardcore, but it was different from the normal Warcraft 3 and custom games so it was alright, but I have to say the community were some of the worst I've ever had the displeasure of encountering.

Before I even started playing, I got kicked from most games, before even starting my first game because I wasn't on their allowed list (not having a reputation since I've never played and all). After my first 2 or 3 games, I always ended up on the ban list for not knowing exactly how to play. I'm not talking about feeding a 1-12 kill/death ratio but like using a ability 2 seconds too late or buying a wrong item so I was even just a bit under .500(I think i was like 6-8, 7-9 something like that) in random pick up games no less.

Now I need to know, is Demigod's community anywhere near as hardcore and "SUPR-SERIUS"-retarded about their game, or can I hop into a game, be an average player and not be completely flamed and banned out of my ass for it? In other words, is the community actually made up of people or just random 12 year olds? Is Demigod a game or a lifestyle?

I think the difference between Demigod and DoTA is how long the game has been around. Demigod has not been around long enough to develop the same level of fanaticism that the DoTA community has.

I fully agree DoTA has the worst community. I have been a fairly regular DoTA player for about 2 years. It is nearly impossible to learn how to play DoTA. The learning curve is impossibly steep. If you are new you will be cursed, kicked, and banned by other players for being a noob. I am a bit shameful to admit I have thrown my rage at people for being new.

Its funny too because DoTA is a dying game. The graphics on War 3 are way out of date, people are leaving War 3 and DoTA for newer games. You would think that we (myself included) the DoTA community would embrace new players, and encourage more and more people to start playing. Just the opposite is true. I want new players to stay the hell away from me and my team. I don't even want noobs on the opposing team!

I think this is because DoTA has nothing new to discover. There are no new maps very few new heroes (debatable). No one in the DoTA community even bothers with new or experimental item builds unless new items come out. Basically every hero has an agreed upon best item build.

The challenge of DoTA has for its experience players is total mastery over the game. I can et about 80 creep kills and around 20 denies in 20 minutes of game play if I am playing well. Playing with a team of people with all of us executing our spells in perfect unison is what is exciting for me. If you are still discovering things about the game its not gonna be fun for me to play with you or vice versa.

The problem is nearly every one playing today has played for years and is at or near this level of game play. If are playing Sand King and you are 1 second too slow using your ult and you get disabled I swear I am gonna burst a blood vessel!!! lol

I am gonna pick up a copy of Demigod and start playing it too!

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: Moneeb
I heard it's a wonderful game. I'm actually trying to buy it, but I'm not certain if my computer can handle it. I have an ATI x600, do you think I can handle it possibly on lowest?

im using a 2600XT to run medium details @ 1920x1080, so probably

 

[novasatori]

Originally posted by: Jakeisbest


I am gonna pick up a copy of Demigod and start playing it too!

judging by the rest of your post, please don't

seriously, you may have a stroke

 

[TidusZ]

Originally posted by: Jakeisbest

Originally posted by: mwmorph
Alright I'm going to admit, I'm no hardcore gamer. I'll play games, but I'm not one to play them on Hardcore difficulty ore enjoy playing in clan/guild matches or whatnot, I just want to play game and have fun, not obsess about every little detail.

I'm not bad, but I'm far from good. A year or so ago, I decided to try DOTA. Not a bad game, a little overly complex and hardcore, but it was different from the normal Warcraft 3 and custom games so it was alright, but I have to say the community were some of the worst I've ever had the displeasure of encountering.

Before I even started playing, I got kicked from most games, before even starting my first game because I wasn't on their allowed list (not having a reputation since I've never played and all). After my first 2 or 3 games, I always ended up on the ban list for not knowing exactly how to play. I'm not talking about feeding a 1-12 kill/death ratio but like using a ability 2 seconds too late or buying a wrong item so I was even just a bit under .500(I think i was like 6-8, 7-9 something like that) in random pick up games no less.

Now I need to know, is Demigod's community anywhere near as hardcore and "SUPR-SERIUS"-retarded about their game, or can I hop into a game, be an average player and not be completely flamed and banned out of my ass for it? In other words, is the community actually made up of people or just random 12 year olds? Is Demigod a game or a lifestyle?

I think the difference between Demigod and DoTA is how long the game has been around. Demigod has not been around long enough to develop the same level of fanaticism that the DoTA community has.

I fully agree DoTA has the worst community. I have been a fairly regular DoTA player for about 2 years. It is nearly impossible to learn how to play DoTA. The learning curve is impossibly steep. If you are new you will be cursed, kicked, and banned by other players for being a noob. I am a bit shameful to admit I have thrown my rage at people for being new.

Its funny too because DoTA is a dying game. The graphics on War 3 are way out of date, people are leaving War 3 and DoTA for newer games. You would think that we (myself included) the DoTA community would embrace new players, and encourage more and more people to start playing. Just the opposite is true. I want new players to stay the hell away from me and my team. I don't even want noobs on the opposing team!

I think this is because DoTA has nothing new to discover. There are no new maps very few new heroes (debatable). No one in the DoTA community even bothers with new or experimental item builds unless new items come out. Basically every hero has an agreed upon best item build.

The challenge of DoTA has for its experience players is total mastery over the game. I can et about 80 creep kills and around 20 denies in 20 minutes of game play if I am playing well. Playing with a team of people with all of us executing our spells in perfect unison is what is exciting for me. If you are still discovering things about the game its not gonna be fun for me to play with you or vice versa.

The problem is nearly every one playing today has played for years and is at or near this level of game play. If are playing Sand King and you are 1 second too slow using your ult and you get disabled I swear I am gonna burst a blood vessel!!! lol

I am gonna pick up a copy of Demigod and start playing it too!

DoTA is more about quick reflexes and perfect timing (cs/deny) and chaining stuns/items/abilities. Demigod is slower paced and more strategic. Map control is more important (whereas in DoTA giving the enemy more of the map early game is hot sauce). Teamplay is important in both games. Similar to how Supcom was slower and more strategic than wc3, demigod is slower and more strategic than DoTA. That's my take on it. In a way its unfortunate cus cs/deny was my specialty in DoTA

 

[Eeezee]

Tides of Blood came before DoTA and had a much more mature audience, but it never really received the same number of fans... man, that brings back memories, that was like 2002

DoTA is terrible just because the people who play it are terrible people

 

[TidusZ]

Originally posted by: Eeezee
Tides of Blood came before DoTA and had a much more mature audience, but it never really received the same number of fans... man, that brings back memories, that was like 2002

DoTA is terrible just because the people who play it are terrible people

Personally I'll take 100 smacktalking racists over 1 first blood leaver. I actually have had a lot of fun throwing the smack back and forth in DoTA, its like tradition practically. Luck.duck leavers on the other hand, well... meh

 

[CurseTheSky]

You can learn a great deal about DotA just by playing a solo game... that's right, no opponents (other than the usual computer-controlled creeps). If it's your very first time, simply kill creeps, get a feel for how quickly you level, learn your hero's abilities and what they're good for (AoE, direct damage, stun, etc.), and learn the items. Half an hour of boring solo play can give you a great advantage over jumping into your first game with other live players.

Additionally, don't join random hero games (AR when I played, I see new modes these days that I'm not familiar with). Join AP games and go for a "cheap" or "easy" hero when you start out - even though you'll still get your ass handed to you, it'll give you the slight advantage you need to LEARN while you play. Ranged intelligent based heros usually have a nuke or two that'll keep your enemies at bay from levels 1-6ish; just stay back, nuke when an enemy hero is in range, and never chase anything that you aren't 100% sure you can kill. Stealth / windwalk heroes (Bounty Hunter, Bone Fletcher, Stealth Assassin, Phantom Lancer, etc.) can also be a huge advantage when you're learning, allowing you to quickly slip out of bad situations.

 

[eggrolls]

Originally posted by: CurseTheSky
You can learn a great deal about DotA just by playing a solo game... that's right, no opponents (other than the usual computer-controlled creeps). If it's your very first time, simply kill creeps, get a feel for how quickly you level, learn your hero's abilities and what they're good for (AoE, direct damage, stun, etc.), and learn the items. Half an hour of boring solo play can give you a great advantage over jumping into your first game with other live players.

Additionally, don't join random hero games (AR when I played, I see new modes these days that I'm not familiar with). Join AP games and go for a "cheap" or "easy" hero when you start out - even though you'll still get your ass handed to you, it'll give you the slight advantage you need to LEARN while you play. Ranged intelligent based heros usually have a nuke or two that'll keep your enemies at bay from levels 1-6ish; just stay back, nuke when an enemy hero is in range, and never chase anything that you aren't 100% sure you can kill. Stealth / windwalk heroes (Bounty Hunter, Bone Fletcher, Stealth Assassin, Phantom Lancer, etc.) can also be a huge advantage when you're learning, allowing you to quickly slip out of bad situations.

New DotA players need a group of patient friends to babysit them for a month or two. Playing alone in pubs won't get you anywhere. Your teammates will bitch about your newbness, ragequit cuz you're feeding, host might kick you if you're on his team, etc. It's not exactly a community that encourages new players or fosters learning.

I'd imagine Demigod to have a friendlier community. The game is new, so the players aren't a bunch of elitists... yet. Also, the game costs money and requires a decent computer. That'll keep out some kids.

 

[Jakeisbest]

Originally posted by: novasatori

Originally posted by: Jakeisbest


I am gonna pick up a copy of Demigod and start playing it too!

judging by the rest of your post, please don't

seriously, you may have a stroke

I am 1/2 joking about being that enraged while playing. = P

But only 1/2....

 

[paperfist]

Originally posted by: Kromis
I think its way too early to tell.

Same here, but if you read the Demigod forums like any game forums you have the hardcore stat guys.

I just played my first MP Demigod and it wasn't as humiliating as I thought it would be Sure I died 10x, but I helped my team mates, held some flags and contributed overall. No one bashed me or talked trash.

Get the game, play SP for a while to learn all the Demigods and items and when you go online you'll be able to hang in there. There's not a ton of things you need to learn to play, the maps are pretty basic, there's not an overwhelming amount of items and no one really starts off way ahead of you.

I was also just reading in the Demigod forums that they plan on bringing out a better server browser that allowed for skill matching between players. Not till June though.

 

[CurseTheSky]

Originally posted by: eggrolls

Originally posted by: CurseTheSky
You can learn a great deal about DotA just by playing a solo game... that's right, no opponents (other than the usual computer-controlled creeps). If it's your very first time, simply kill creeps, get a feel for how quickly you level, learn your hero's abilities and what they're good for (AoE, direct damage, stun, etc.), and learn the items. Half an hour of boring solo play can give you a great advantage over jumping into your first game with other live players.

Additionally, don't join random hero games (AR when I played, I see new modes these days that I'm not familiar with). Join AP games and go for a "cheap" or "easy" hero when you start out - even though you'll still get your ass handed to you, it'll give you the slight advantage you need to LEARN while you play. Ranged intelligent based heros usually have a nuke or two that'll keep your enemies at bay from levels 1-6ish; just stay back, nuke when an enemy hero is in range, and never chase anything that you aren't 100% sure you can kill. Stealth / windwalk heroes (Bounty Hunter, Bone Fletcher, Stealth Assassin, Phantom Lancer, etc.) can also be a huge advantage when you're learning, allowing you to quickly slip out of bad situations.

New DotA players need a group of patient friends to babysit them for a month or two. Playing alone in pubs won't get you anywhere. Your teammates will bitch about your newbness, ragequit cuz you're feeding, host might kick you if you're on his team, etc. It's not exactly a community that encourages new players or fosters learning.

I'd imagine Demigod to have a friendlier community. The game is new, so the players aren't a bunch of elitists... yet. Also, the game costs money and requires a decent computer. That'll keep out some kids.

I don't mean playing "alone" in a public game, I mean completely alone - a solo game.

It sounds stupid and it IS very boring, but it's a very good way to learn the basics of the game. Just knowing what item combos work for different characters helps a ton, and learning the required items for level 2, 3, and 4 shops so you can make them on the fly will be a great advantage. It also allows you to learn the terrain, and see where the creeps will path, where neutral creeps are located, and how to get from one lane to another quickly.

 

[RoloMather]

There are AI dota map so you can learn. I agree that it's hard to get into DOTA because most of the people have playing have been for years and will stomp you to the ground.

I know all the heroes abilities and what the best way to use them is. When I see their team I know immediately what they can field against me.

Demigod has a faster pace than DOTA.

 

[Fenixgoon]

anyone want to play some demigod next weekend? i haven't played in forever

 

[FP]

I am up for some games. I am getting pwned on the Panthaeon.