Turkey waited for 30 years to be a part of Europe, Erdogan and the Islamists were not even in parliament, economically and socially perished countries like Romania and Bulgaria were accepted as soon as they applied while Turkey was kept outside the door and now you are criticising Turkish people to turn their backs to the West (A large portion is still pro-West and secular btw). There can not be enough words to describe how uneducated and hypocritical the OP's statement is.
Wow. History in the making. Sucks for the turks. I guess they tried (and succeeded for many years) but Islam just isn't compatible with western ideas - eventually, fundamentalism rises to the surface and wins.
Turkey waited for 30 years to be a part of Europe, Erdogan and the Islamists were not even in parliament, economically and socially perished countries like Romania and Bulgaria were accepted as soon as they applied while Turkey was kept outside the door and now you are criticising Turkish people to turn their backs to the West (A large portion is still pro-West and secular btw). There can not be enough words to describe how uneducated and hypocritical the OP's statement is.
On the positive side they can never be powerful militarily, their religion prevents it. The only way they can really harm Western society is to enter it and then outbreed it. That would be civilization ending but HIGHLY unlikely. The West has a long history of reacting with over the over the top violence and inhumanity in the presence of existential threats.
Have I written a word to defend Erdogan ?
There was a lot of opportunity and time to keep Turkey as a part of EU and away from wannabe dictators. The west did not bother to fulfil its obligations to complete Turkey's membership application with an excuse after an other. Now that the Islamists and Erdogan took the opportunity and played their cards wisely it is easy for you to skip the last 30 years and talk about how bad Turkey's situation is. Yes it is bad, what do you propose to help us after all these betrayals
Irrelevant bullshit and straw - if you had a shred of intellectual honesty you'd be able to accept that this is about DEMOCRACY - not ties to the West. Only person being criticized is Erdgoan, sorry to burst your dishonest populist bubble there.
You calling a post you can't even address correctly "uneducated and hypocritical," oh man that's good. Go back to licking your new sultan's boots, it's clear you're too indoctrinated to discuss the story.
What the hell are you talking about?
You don't think Turkey has a powerful military, and that Islam would prevent it?
This thread is going stupid, fast.
You keep the Middle East burning ---> Refugees flow into your countres
You treat an ally with double standards ---> Ally falls into turmoil and confusion
Turkey is not a 1st world country, is a developing country. Why would the EU want it? If Turkey could prove itself and become 1st world, then they should be considered. Given their current descent into Islamism, that prospect is laughable.
Um right. While America's hands are certainly bloody with regards to that. The fact of the matter is that the Middle East problems have everything to do with their tribalism and religious fanaticism. They are broken societies.
Those musings about kicking Turkey out of NATO are sounding pretty good now.
If Turkey wants to embrace fascism and theocracy and turn its back on democracy and the rule of law, let them do it alone and without NATO having the risk of being dragged into a conflict with Russia. We have enough of that already thanks.
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What defines a developing country ? GDP ?
Just go and check how the economies of Portugal, Greece, Bulgaria and Romania were when they entered the EU, we are even better then they were
Our current descent into Islamism ? Erdogn and his party did not exist 15 years ago ! This is nothing compared with our history with Europe.
Why am I trying to educate you on the very basic facts ? I wonder
Tribalism ? Your country was nothing but tribes, tribes that you have slatewiped while we were an empire. Religious fanaticism comes in forms too you know, like the Evangelism which often controls your foreign policy and causes destrution of countries and societies.
Powerful military compared to what? Certainly they pose utterly no threat whatsoever to America's or Europe's militaries.
Well Turkey per capita is horrible and roughly equivalent to Bulgaria. That certainly is not at a 1st world level. I agree with you that the EU would have been better off without any of those countries. I think it was primarily done as move against Russia but it may be backfiring on them.
Bulgaria $17k
Turkey $19k
Tribalism--- I am not worried about blacksChristians/Atheists/etc.. from a neighboring community coming into my neighborhood and slaughtering all of us. This is something that the Middle East deals with all the time. That is tribalism.
Forget it, you already lost whatever credibility you had. Your opinions are baseless, illogical, and you can't even bring yourself to address the real information of the story. You're on a mission to carry your boys water no matter what, and it's not the first time I've seen you do it. You simply aren't able to discuss Erdogen's actions without blaming the West.
So pathetic.
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