Democracy declared fallen in Turkey

[Jaskalas]

Today's bomb was from ISIS ...

A faction we hope to see removed.

Kurdish problem. Kurds in Turkey are equal citizens...

Maybe if they prove themselves loyal. Facts on the ground indicate a much larger problem.
Perhaps we can now see why Erdogan wants Rule of Law abolished.
Because he believes the future of Turkey is written in blood.

Turkey’s silent war in the Kurdish heartland

In a report published on January 21, Amnesty International said “cuts to water and electricity supplies combined with the dangers of accessing food and medical care while under fire are having a devastating effect on residents”. In its latest toll, the HRTF said at least 224 civilians have perished since the month of August – including 42 children – while 350,000 people have been displaced.

Kurdish representatives have railed against the government onslaught. Last month, the pro-Kurdish Peoples’ Democratic Party (HDP) denounced a “massacre” in Cizre, where at least 167 were reportedly killed by Turkish bombing as they hid in cellars. “Such operations have involved helicopters, tanks and heavy weapons. Dozens of civilians have died and hundreds of thousands are displaced. At this stage, one can no longer talk about police operations, but a civil war...

Since July 2015, Turkish army kills 1,250 militants in southeast

 

[Oric]

Militants ? Terrorists ?

Are Al Qaeda and ISIS militants ? Terrorists ...

 

[realibrad]

Militants ? Terrorists ?

Are Al Qaeda and ISIS militants ? Terrorists ...

Those terms are not mutually exclusive. You can have a group be both.

 

[Orignal Earl]

So basically he wants to invoke martial law?
Like Trudeau did here because of terrorists

 

[Jaskalas]

So basically he wants to invoke martial law?
Like Trudeau did here because of terrorists

That comparison is a bit... soft.
Non-state media has been systemically targeted and shut down.
Any notion of supporting Kurds is to be considered a terrorist act. Be it political or journalistic, don't question Erdogan.

I mean, we can hope and pray such militancy is temporary... but all indications are that Turkey has been brutal in its dealing with an ethnic minority and things are only going to get worse from here.

Is there any indication of an end to Erdogan's declaration? Any sort of winning condition where he thinks its okay to once again respect "Democracy, freedom, and rule of law"? You can liken it to a declaration of war if you'd like... but either way there are violent and bloody times ahead for the Turkish people.

Don't think Canada is dealing with that.

 

[Oric]

Not an apology for Erdogan but this following document explains why he exists and not an anomaly for today's world

http://qz.com/643497/we-are-witnessing-the-rise-of-global-authoritarianism-on-a-chilling-scale/

Of course, each of these solutions had its shortcomings, and the postwar order plenty of failings. But they nonetheless gave people hope and inspired a sense of safety. Unfortunately, decades of negligence and aggressive disdain have weakened this infrastructure to the point that the United Nations and its systems are now looked upon as, at best, inept and ineffective, and at worst wholly corrupt.


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It is this last point that is most chilling. The problems outlined here are systemic, global, and amorphous. They are solvable, but not easily, and not immediately. It is much easier to find someone to blame, which is why we are seeing the return to acceptability of xenophobia and jingoism. Trump on Muslims and Hispanics. Putin on Ukrainians. Erdoğan on Kurds. And the list goes on. The slope from here to scapegoating all dissenters as “enemies of the state” is proving frighteningly slippery.

 

[Orignal Earl]

That comparison is a bit... soft.
Non-state media has been systemically targeted and shut down.
Any notion of supporting Kurds is to be considered a terrorist act. Be it political or journalistic, don't question Erdogan.

I mean, we can hope and pray such militancy is temporary... but all indications are that Turkey has been brutal in its dealing with an ethnic minority and things are only going to get worse from here.

Is there any indication of an end to Erdogan's declaration? Any sort of winning condition where he thinks its okay to once again respect "Democracy, freedom, and rule of law"? You can liken it to a declaration of war if you'd like... but either way there are violent and bloody times ahead for the Turkish people.

Don't think Canada is dealing with that.

The free world is watching as the US is radicalizing and turning to Fascism

 

[yllus]

Kick them out of NATO post haste. Other NATO members are obligated to defend Turkey... I would especially hate to see U.S. troops be sent to Turkey's aid with this government in place.

That'd be shortsighted. Having Turkey in NATO means that they're obliged at least a little bit to listen to us before embarking on any major campaigns. Having formal and informal opportunities to talk is very important at the international level.

 

[WHAMPOM]

Erdogan: "Democracy, freedom and the rule of law," have "absolutely no value any longer"

• Definition of terrorist should include opposition politics and journalists.

I have been watching these developments for some time. As alarm bells started to ring, as they started actively supporting Islamic terrorism, and as they started waging war on free media and, ultimately, on free elections.

Now Turkey has descended so far that Erdogan declares any opposition or dissent is to be treated as terrorism. The media has his back... because there's none left that don't answer to him.

Erdogan declares that the rule of law is over. That Democracy ends with him.
What bleak future do the Turkish people hold now?

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Major Questions

• Are these temporary war powers, or a new permanent ruling?
• How should the international community respond?

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Main Headline (independent.co.uk)

When was there democracy in Turkey? Or a rule of law?

 

[Jaskalas]

When was there democracy in Turkey? Or a rule of law?

Nov, 2015:

1. The End of Turkey’s Experiment With Democracy
2. Turkey's election means turning from democracy towards autocracy

It would appear many people once held that notion. That Turkey was at least trying.

 

[Jaskalas]

Turkish police seal off hotel to halt dissident opposition congress

Police sealed off a hotel in Ankara on Sunday, preventing dissidents in Turkey's nationalist opposition from holding a party congress that could jeopardize President Tayyip Erdogan's plans for more power.

Erdogan wasn't kidding when he said he was done with Democracy or freedom. Directly attacking the political process with force. Imagine if in 2004 Bush had raided the DNC and prevented the Democrat's convention. That's the sort of BS going down in Turkey these days.

And don't worry, only media not raided by police in Turkey is pro Erdogan.
We calling Turkey a military dictatorship now?

 

[werepossum]

Gotta give the Islamacists due credit. They successfully identified the factor (the military) constantly balking their dreams, came up with a plan (infiltrate and neutralize), and successfully implemented it. Sure, they are evil, but they showed intelligence, foresight and discipline just like they were real people. Now they too can implement the replay of the seventh century with modern weapons.

 

[Victorian Gray]

It's about personal power/self-aggrandizement more than anything.

 

[JSt0rm]

look at all this butterfly effect from bush's wars. Its hilarious.

 

[Miramonti]

Civil wars are not.

 

[JSt0rm]

Civil wars are not.

Depends on who you are. We are the great Satan so we lust for the violence and death.