Democratic National Convention thread

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FerrelGeek

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I'm sure they had their story approved by the DNC before airtime so it's all good.

ABC News Nightline did a story about DNC tonight and there was a story about mothers with their own children died by guns. They had Trayvon Martin and Mike Brown mothers in the story and of course, both of them tried to bring up the false narrative and lies about their sons, again, ie they tried to spin the true reasons why their son were shot to dead. Even after all the facts came out already, unbelievable.
 

FerrelGeek

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Well, the Ds are the party that ridiculed Pat Smith and accused the Rs of exploiting her. But it's ok when they do it.

The DNC championing the propagation of those lies is hateful and racially divisive. The mothers of wannabe thugs, criminals, and killers should not be elevated over true victims of crimes. There are innocent people to stand by in solidarity, and the DNC should not get a pass for choosing to side with violent crime.
 

glenn1

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Isn't it weird how Republicans never seem to have any problems with the cops?


Not really, when you obey the law and don't attempt to escalate the encounter with the cop or fight back/actively resist that's the way things normally go. Plus people with jobs like those in the photo tend to have better behavior and manners than the core Democrat "47%" base and you have the other part of the equation.
 

emperus

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Not really, when you obey the law and don't attempt to escalate the encounter with the cop or fight back/actively resist that's the way things normally go. Plus people with jobs like those in the photo tend to have better behavior and manners than the core Democrat "47%" base and you have the other part of the equation.

Please shut up. You clearly don't know what you are talking about.

Honestly, do you not see how your comment are racist? Please spew your nonsense to the Republican Black senator who was pulled over 7 times in 1 year or asked to show his identification in Congress.
 
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wetech

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Take aways from Bill's speech:
1) Hillary can file a report and the country's problems get solved
2) Nothing of interest happened in 1998.
 

Thump553

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Impressive speech by President Clinton, but this is his element and he excels in such moments. His speech resonated well to the audience but sounded at times too much like a resume review. He's also not looking too well. His hands were definitely trembling at times and the biggest observation I heard from those who saw it with me was how much makeup he was wearing.

There is a place for some reporters on the balcony (above and behind the podium looking out on the audience). One of the MSNBC reporters was up there during Bill Clinton's speech and she reported that he frequently added a sentence or two to the teleprompter's script. She said that the teleprompter operator should get some sort of award for keeping up with him.

I didn't notice any heavy makeup (certainly not the pancake makeup Trump wears) but his health (heart) was really bad roughly a decade ago. I think he looks a lot better now than he did but I don't think he is going to rival Pappa Bush or Jimmy Carter for longevity.
 
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On further reflection, your explanation of "I think it's all relative" does make sense for this situation given enough perspective. In your mind that constitutes a good explanation, but others simply have differing standards.
Case in point. It is the epitome of self-deception to believe one's "standards" regarding political opinions are based on "factual reality". You're a curious one...we shall meet again.
 

IronWing

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Case in point. It is the epitome of self-deception to believe one's "standards" regarding political opinions are based on "factual reality". You're a curious one...we shall meet again.

And again and again. I wonder what he'll name his next sock puppet account? I wonder if he's already made it and it walks among us?
 

mizzou

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I'm confused...didn't we just have 8 years of Obama?

I was watching the DNC...and it seemed like the country had been on a direction where we had no democratic leadership.
 

dank69

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I'm confused...didn't we just have 8 years of Obama?

I was watching the DNC...and it seemed like the country had been on a direction where we had no democratic leadership.

Our President isn't a dictator you know. His power to change the nation is quite limited.
 

Ackmed

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To me, it's sad they parade mothers of thugs (Brown) who died breaking the law, as an example that policing needs to change. Like they're some kind of martyr. Some terrible injustice was done to him. And nobody has a problem with this. Using BLM in a political race exposes a few things.
 

emperus

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To me, it's sad they parade mothers of thugs (Brown) who died breaking the law, as an example that policing needs to change. Like they're some kind of martyr. Some terrible injustice was done to him. And nobody has a problem with this. Using BLM in a political race exposes a few things.

Exposes what things? Stop with the dog whistles and speak your mind.
 

chucky2

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To me, it's sad they parade mothers of thugs (Brown) who died breaking the law, as an example that policing needs to change. Like they're some kind of martyr. Some terrible injustice was done to him. And nobody has a problem with this. Using BLM in a political race exposes a few things.

There'd be no problem for them to have with it, because they're at worst making sure they kowtow to get that Black vote locked in and also energized, and at best, stroking their SJW and/or White Guilt and stroking and energizing those voters. These people are so mind f*cked, and/or so Whore-Politician'ish, that they actually view letting these people speak as if their kids got some of improper deal as a positive thing; and I'm sure it is...positive for votes. It's fantastical to see the sheeple level people actually express belief the Dem Establishment actually cares. I mean, lol, how many decades do they need to be stabbed in the back before they wake up?
 
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SMOGZINN

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Not really, when you obey the law and don't attempt to escalate the encounter with the cop or fight back/actively resist that's the way things normally go. Plus people with jobs like those in the photo tend to have better behavior and manners than the core Democrat "47%" base and you have the other part of the equation.

Shooting someone is not a proper response to bad manners. Even Judith Martin would agree.
 
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There'd be no problem for them to have with it, because they're at worst making sure they kowtow to get that Black vote locked in and also energized, and at best, stroking their SJW and/or White Guilt and stroking and energizing those voters. These people are so mind f*cked, and/or so Whore-Politician'ish, that they actually view letting these people speak as if their kids got some of improper deal. It's fantastical to see the sheeple level people actually express belief the Dem Establishment actually cares. I mean, lol, how many decades do they need to be stabbed in the back before they wake up?
LBJ estimated 200 years.
 

agent00f

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The DNC championing the propagation of those lies is hateful and racially divisive. The mothers of wannabe thugs, criminals, and killers should not be elevated over true victims of crimes. There are innocent people to stand by in solidarity, and the DNC should not get a pass for choosing to side with violent crime.

There'd be no problem for them to have with it, because they're at worst making sure they kowtow to get that Black vote locked in and also energized, and at best, stroking their SJW and/or White Guilt and stroking and energizing those voters. These people are so mind f*cked, and/or so Whore-Politician'ish, that they actually view letting these people speak as if their kids got some of improper deal as a positive thing; and I'm sure it is...positive for votes. It's fantastical to see the sheeple level people actually express belief the Dem Establishment actually cares. I mean, lol, how many decades do they need to be stabbed in the back before they wake up?

To me, it's sad they parade mothers of thugs (Brown) who died breaking the law, as an example that policing needs to change. Like they're some kind of martyr. Some terrible injustice was done to him. And nobody has a problem with this. Using BLM in a political race exposes a few things.



I rest my case; these people just can't help themselves from helping the democratic party. Bring on some more women to speak and the female vote will be a lock.


Case in point. It is the epitome of self-deception to believe one's "standards" regarding political opinions are based on "factual reality". You're a curious one...we shall meet again.

It's a factual reality that many like for example buckshot believes these are all matters of chocolate vs vanilla. It's also a matter of factual reality that you claim it's all relative yet can't see that there exist much higher standards than your own.

It makes perfect sense that people with low standards have trouble grasping that superior ones exist, and if anything would deny they do. I touched on this here: http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?p=38377057post38377057

He's not nearly as intelligent as he wishes to appear. He's an odd duck.

And again and again. I wonder what he'll name his next sock puppet account? I wonder if he's already made it and it walks among us?

I recall you accused me of being buckshot, which is all that really needs to be said of the intellect involved here.
 
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It's a factual reality that many like for example buckshot believes these are all matters of chocolate vs vanilla.
As a matter of factual reality, I'm not Buckshot, I don't speak for Buckshot and can't attest to his beliefs.

It's also a matter of factual reality that you claim it's all relative yet can't see that there exist much higher standards than your own.
I'm impressed with how much you know about me in such a short time with such astounding certainty. Please elaborate just what you perceive my standards to be. And while your at it, please enumerate a few of these higher standards you speak of that I can't see. In other words, please convince me that you really have a clue as to what your talking about.

It makes perfect sense that people with low standards have trouble grasping that superior ones exist, and if anything would deny they do. I touched on this here: http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?p=38377057post38377057
That's pretty damn profound. Have you been tested?

I recall you accused me of being buckshot, which is all that really needs to be said of the intellect involved here.
For clarity's sake, I never accused you of being Buckshot. Just saying since you didn't nest the quotes.
 

Ns1

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Not really, when you obey the law and don't attempt to escalate the encounter with the cop or fight back/actively resist that's the way things normally go.



 
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zinfamous

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To me, it's sad they parade mothers of thugs (Brown) who died breaking the law, as an example that policing needs to change. Like they're some kind of martyr. Some terrible injustice was done to him. And nobody has a problem with this. Using BLM in a political race exposes a few things.

The difference between putting those mothers up there and the mothers the republicans used was actually quite different--I did watch some of both of these.

I wasn't happy with either selection from either party as speakers, but if you honestly watched and listened to what both groups said, you would (should) have noticed some very obvious differences in the message

--"crazy bengazi mother" (as I call her): "Hillary Clinton killed my boy! Hillary Clinton lied to me! Shame on Hillary! Shame! She is evil! She killed my boy! Bengazi!"
--crazy mother-lady: "An ILLEGAL ran over and killed my boy! Obama and Hillary let in this illegal, and they killed my boy! Evil democrats! Evil Hillary! Murderer!"

The BLM mothers (let's call them that) at the dem convention last night: "This country has a problem (well, true), No mother should ever have to go through what [we] did (also true), My [child] was beautiful and wonderful [OK, to be fair, it does get murky there, but some of them sure do have a very fair case to make] and we need to work together to deal with this problem (well, certainly true)"

If you actually watched that last night, you would have seen no calls of blame, no calls for civil war or murder. You would have seen a message about a problem that needs to be addressed. Also, no real absolution of responsibility from the mothers. I think it was clear that in this message the bigger problem is law enforcement, but the overall message is that this kind of very real problem needs more unity and effort from both camps--from mothers and parents to recognize the problem and work for a solution. I was honestly surprised by that (I assumed it was going to be as bad as the repubs, so I never intended to watch it; they were on as I was walking by the TV at one point, so I stopped and listened)

If you see division in that, then you are blind and deaf. The republicans trotted out their sympathy bags as a rather gross theater of the absurd. Never a single solution (as aptly reflected in their last 6 years in Congress), but a simple: "Evil murderer that lied!"

The difference between the Repubs and the Dems trotting out grieving mothers for petty politicking is quite stark

repubs: hate, fear, division, blame. no prescription, no attempt.
dems: anger, justice, unity.

Again, if that isn't obvious to the adult watching those blatant contrasts, then the adult in question seriously needs to reflect on the alarming degradation of their cognitive skills over the last ~? number of years.
 

agent00f

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As a matter of factual reality, I'm not Buckshot, I don't speak for Buckshot and can't attest to his beliefs.

It's what's called an analogy, which is used to illustrate likeness to something similar. Your active participation is not necessary for the illustration.

I'm impressed with how much you know about me in such a short time with such astounding certainty. Please elaborate just what you perceive my standards to be. And while your at it, please enumerate a few of these higher standards you speak of that I can't see. In other words, please convince me that you really have a clue as to what your talking about.
That's pretty damn profound. Have you been tested?

It's your own clearly stated claim that politics/policies/etc are not matters of factual reality. It's also simply a matter of fact that analysis by factual reality is a higher standard than mouthing whatever comes to mind as you do, which we've learned from the relative success of science & such in comparison to arbitrary opinions in the last few hundred years.

For clarity's sake, I never accused you of being Buckshot. Just saying since you didn't nest the quotes.

As a matter of generally strategy, given the evident distance between us, it's perhaps not the best idea to proclaim I'm not that smart.

Yep, your style of argument has an uncanny resemblance to that employed by buckshot.

I rest my case.
 
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It's what's called an analogy, which is used to illustrate likeness to something similar. Your active participation is not necessary for the illustration.



It's your own clearly stated claim that politics/policies/etc are not matters of factual reality. It's also simply a matter of fact that analysis by factual reality is a higher standard than mouthing whatever comes to mind as you do, which we've learned from the relative success of science & such in comparison to arbitrary opinions in the last few hundred years.



As a matter of generally strategy, given the evident distance between us, it's perhaps not the best idea to proclaim I'm not that smart.



I rest my case.
Stay calm...the men in white coats will be there soon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnzHtm1jhL4
 
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