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HomerJS

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To me, it's sad they parade mothers of thugs (Brown) who died breaking the law, as an example that policing needs to change. Like they're some kind of martyr. Some terrible injustice was done to him. And nobody has a problem with this. Using BLM in a political race exposes a few things.

What law did Lucia McBath's son break?
 

Ackmed

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What law did Lucia McBath's son break?

If you notice, I said Brown. But you already know that. You know, the guy who assaulted a sore attendant and stole items. Then assaulted a cop and got himself killed. Only to be hailed as a martyr by BLM and now Clinton.

I've said before that there are plenty of wrongly killed people by cops, unfortunately. Use those people. And use all races of people if you really want to make the point of police violence. There is no need to bring people up there that are mothers of criminals, who died by actions none other than their own.
 

Balt

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I guess some of the Bernie supporters staged a walkout yesterday, which worked out great because it meant they weren't interrupting every speaker at the convention with boos and chants of "Bernie!"
 

Ackmed

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The difference between putting those mothers up there and the mothers the republicans used was actually quite different--I did watch some of both of these.

I wasn't happy with either selection from either party as speakers, but if you honestly watched and listened to what both groups said, you would (should) have noticed some very obvious differences in the message

--"crazy bengazi mother" (as I call her): "Hillary Clinton killed my boy! Hillary Clinton lied to me! Shame on Hillary! Shame! She is evil! She killed my boy! Bengazi!"
--crazy mother-lady: "An ILLEGAL ran over and killed my boy! Obama and Hillary let in this illegal, and they killed my boy! Evil democrats! Evil Hillary! Murderer!"

The BLM mothers (let's call them that) at the dem convention last night: "This country has a problem (well, true), No mother should ever have to go through what [we] did (also true), My [child] was beautiful and wonderful [OK, to be fair, it does get murky there, but some of them sure do have a very fair case to make] and we need to work together to deal with this problem (well, certainly true)"

If you actually watched that last night, you would have seen no calls of blame, no calls for civil war or murder. You would have seen a message about a problem that needs to be addressed. Also, no real absolution of responsibility from the mothers. I think it was clear that in this message the bigger problem is law enforcement, but the overall message is that this kind of very real problem needs more unity and effort from both camps--from mothers and parents to recognize the problem and work for a solution. I was honestly surprised by that (I assumed it was going to be as bad as the repubs, so I never intended to watch it; they were on as I was walking by the TV at one point, so I stopped and listened)

If you see division in that, then you are blind and deaf. The republicans trotted out their sympathy bags as a rather gross theater of the absurd. Never a single solution (as aptly reflected in their last 6 years in Congress), but a simple: "Evil murderer that lied!"

The difference between the Repubs and the Dems trotting out grieving mothers for petty politicking is quite stark

repubs: hate, fear, division, blame. no prescription, no attempt.
dems: anger, justice, unity.

Again, if that isn't obvious to the adult watching those blatant contrasts, then the adult in question seriously needs to reflect on the alarming degradation of their cognitive skills over the last ~? number of years.

I too wasn't happy with either parties full selection of speakers. But honestly I didn't watch much of it. I listened to XM talk radio on the way to work and watched highlights. I just didn't have time to watch it at night, kids and stuff going on. I am supposed to be doing 5 weeks of homework tonight since I am leaving for a month for work Sunday and likely will have little time to do it. I go to an online only school. Yes I realize it's not a "real" school, all I can do atm. Yet here I am responding.

I didn't like the mother yelling and acting crazy about losing her son in Benghazi. It made me cringe and lost interest. The mother upset about the illegal with a long criminal history killing her son is more warranted to me, because Hillary had an illegal up there claiming that she didn't want her mother sent home. Well, she is illegal and got deportation papers (I was told) but was still up on stage. Still, I didn't care for it.

Both parties did a fair amount of fear mongering, scare tactics and such. I don't like that, but they're both playing the game. Both have used cheap shots and there has been hypocrisy on both sides. I don't want to vote for Trump, and I don't want to vote for Hillary. I have voted every time since 18, except when in Iraq in 2008 and could not vote. I don't know what I am going to do, perhaps write someone in. I don't think either will make a good president. I believe people should vote, or else they have no right to complain.

Dems are preaching unity? Not all of them. These protester told whites to get to the back.

I need all white people to move to the back – make space because this is a Black Resistance March,” one of the leaders yelled from the bed of a pickup truck. “I need all white people to move to the back and make room for the black and brown brothers and sisters.

"You will appropriately take your place in the back of this march because it will be truly led by the black and brown community and that’s it,” she roared.

"Make room for black media,” she yelled. “White media get to the back. Black media come to the front.

So if you're white, or even very light skinned black, they don't want your support. They're asking for segregation. This is not what they need, its acting foolish. Imagine if that happened at the RNC the opposite way. Not much unity going on there. Are they aware that most of the law makers and such who could actually help them are white? But they don't want their help? So silly.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2016/07/27/black-dnc-protest-tells-crowd-white-people-to-back.html
 

Jhhnn

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it would seem logical that a protest for a black resistance march be led by black people. i would similarly expect a march for gay rights or whatever to be led by gay people.

I didn't know "move to the back so the black people can get to the front" = "we don't want your support"

Not to mention she's a protester, not a Democrat.
 

jackstar7

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If you notice, I said Brown. But you already know that. You know, the guy who assaulted a sore attendant and stole items. Then assaulted a cop and got himself killed. Only to be hailed as a martyr by BLM and now Clinton.

I've said before that there are plenty of wrongly killed people by cops, unfortunately. Use those people. And use all races of people if you really want to make the point of police violence. There is no need to bring people up there that are mothers of criminals, who died by actions none other than their own.

You said "mothers of thugs", then cited a singular case. It's fair to wonder if you were including the other mothers and victims in your generalization, which was apparently not a generalization at all.
 

Ackmed

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You said "mothers of thugs", then cited a singular case. It's fair to wonder if you were including the other mothers and victims in your generalization, which was apparently not a generalization at all.

Yeah, there are more than one.

So you agree having Brown's mom up there is a good thing? You're supporting this move? You guys just going to nit pick and not talk about the issue?
 

Ackmed

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it would seem logical that a protest for a black resistance march be led by black people. i would similarly expect a march for gay rights or whatever to be led by gay people.

I didn't know "move to the back so the black people can get to the front" = "we don't want your support"

Telling white people to get in the back is logical? I have a sneaking suspicion you wouldn't, and they certainly wouldn't, feel the same way if flipped around. This isn't the first time this has happened either. So every type of protest has only had those "affected" leading the protest? Attempting to solve this issue or police brutality or blacks being killed wrongly by police will need all sides. Everyone needs to help. Segregating the people who are trying to help is wrong, and it sends the wrong message. There were obviously there to help, and got disrespected and told to get in the back. Do you think they wanted to help after that? I wouldn't have.

Non gay people have marched right up front in gay rights parades, my sister in law has done this a few times. She wasn't told to get in the back because she wasnt gay. Can you find an instance where non gay people were told to get in the back? If not, then don't try to compare it.

But since you brought gay parades into the BLM talk, how about when BLM hijacked a gay pride parade. Made demands and sat there until it was singed. This is ok too?

To end the blockade and get the crowds moving, the Pride executive director surrendered immediately and signed a document agreeing to the demands.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/0...er-activists-hijack-toronto-pride-parade.html
 
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Ok Tim Kaines facial expressions are freaking me out. That grin with those eyebrows. Like he's stuck with some devious look permanently.
 

emperus

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Did Kaine do crack? Wtf. His speech is everywhere. Did he write this speech 5 minutes ago.
 

echo4747

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watching the PBS News hour live stream on youtube . 90+% of the comments are pro Trump
 

nageov3t

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watching the PBS News hour live stream on youtube . 90+% of the comments are pro Trump

for all the talk about Correct the Record, the Trump troll army is so omnipresent across the entire internet, I really question if they're not paying guys in a backroom in India to spam every forum on the net.
 

fskimospy

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watching the PBS News hour live stream on youtube . 90+% of the comments are pro Trump

President Ron Paul knows that Internet commentators are good representations of the country at large.

On a separate note I just saw that hilarious burn on Trump by Bloomberg. I'm not even kidding, that is a great campaign slogan. 'Let's elect a sane, competent person.' It's so obvious that Bloomberg has zero respect for Trump's supposed business skills.
 

HomerJS

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If you notice, I said Brown. But you already know that. You know, the guy who assaulted a sore attendant and stole items. Then assaulted a cop and got himself killed. Only to be hailed as a martyr by BLM and now Clinton.

I've said before that there are plenty of wrongly killed people by cops, unfortunately. Use those people. And use all races of people if you really want to make the point of police violence. There is no need to bring people up there that are mothers of criminals, who died by actions none other than their own.

That so called parade of mothers included the mother of Jordan Davis.

Stop cherry picking George Washington
 
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