Democratic National Convention thread

[Jhhnn]

This really is insane. Media needs to get their balls in gear, as well as the Clinton campaign, and work the on the Putin hiding behind the curtain of the Trump campaign.

Unfathomable that any kind of so-called conservative would allow themselves to dismiss this so easily.

Why does that surprise you? Russia isn't Communist anymore. When the Russians sponsor a revolution, invasion or political campaign it's to serve members of the power elite, the plutocracy, their own oligarchs.

It has nothing to do with the little guys rising up at all. When Russia turned Capitalist & dropped the pretense, so did our own Plutarchs. Back during the Cold War, the govts basically competed on what they could do for the little guy, what they could furnish as public goods, safety & security being a huge part of it. Now it's just about deals & competition among them. The little guys have no unifying ideology & therefore no power. The plutocracy is insurgent, not the people.

 

[sontakke]

Media did not push at the most powerful VP offer story either.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Media did not push at the most powerful VP offer story either.

That's a bit surprising to me too, not because there's anything unprecedented about a non-politician president pushing many things to the VP (see Eisenhower/Nixon), but because it completely contradicts the concept of Trump being anti-establishment if he's willing to choose an establishment VP.

 

[zinfamous]

Why does that surprise you? Russia isn't Communist anymore. When the Russians sponsor a revolution, invasion or political campaign it's to serve members of the power elite, the plutocracy, their own oligarchs.

It has nothing to do with the little guys rising up at all. When Russia turned Capitalist & dropped the pretense, so did our own Plutarchs. Back during the Cold War, the govts basically competed on what they could do for the little guy, what they could furnish as public goods, safety & security being a huge part of it. Now it's just about deals & competition among them. The little guys have no unifying ideology & therefore no power. The plutocracy is insurgent, not the people.

Media did not push at the most powerful VP offer story either.

Where the fuck is Edward R Murrow when this country needs him.

 

[compuwiz1]

Coup? You don't seem to know the definition of a coup. It was a popular uprising of the people against a collaborationist stooge imposed by Putin AND Trump's campaign manager Manafort!

You're missing the takeaway here, that Trump, who's operatives didn't give a tinker's damn about most any other RNC plank, flew into action over this one stance, anathema to almost all Republicans (and to me and many others, btw), in what screams to anyone bothering to look, "Here Daddy Putin, keep your secret and not so secret funding of my building projects coming!"

Disgusting.

LOCK HIM UP!

So Trump, the businessman found capital outside the USA. I'm sure he's not the first one, the only one, nor will he be the last one. He wasn't serving in any public office at the time, even if what is alleged is true. So, what is the crime that causes you to say lock him up? Cite it.
I'm not supporting Trump on this, but I fail to see anything remotely criminal here. Also, don't see you being objective and looking at both candidates with your investigative eye. Don't you question Bill Clinton's large speaking fees for political influence while Hillary was SOS? Pay for play is corruption. Peddling influence is criminal. I can go ahead and type a litany of scandals regarding the Clintons, but I don't feel the need to do so here. It's all available to read, if one cares too take the time.

Bottom line is, I see both candidates as tainted and I'm not voting for either of them, but I don't understand how you can be critical of one and not the other, except partisanship. In the end, the American voters will decide the election, not Russia, or any other country.

 

[Jhhnn]

That's a bit surprising to me too, not because there's anything unprecedented about a non-politician president pushing many things to the VP (see Eisenhower/Nixon), but because it completely contradicts the concept of Trump being anti-establishment if he's willing to choose an establishment VP.

Pence is a Teatard, not an establishment Repub.

You know, tear down the govt so the kleptocracy can fill the void.

 

[zinfamous]

So Trump, the businessman found capital outside the USA. I'm sure he's not the first one, the only one, nor will he be the last one. He wasn't serving in any public office at the time, even if what is alleged is true. So, what is the crime that causes you to say lock him up? Cite it.
I'm not supporting Trump on this, but I fail to see anything remotely criminal here. Also, don't see you being objective and looking at both candidates with your investigative eye. Don't you question Bill Clinton's large speaking fees for political influence while Hillary was SOS? Pay for play is corruption. Peddling influence is criminal. I can go ahead and type a litany of scandals regarding the Clintons, but I don't feel the need to do so here. It's all available to read, if one cares too take the time.

Bottom line is, I see both candidates as tainted and I'm not voting for either of them, but I don't understand how you can be critical of one and not the other, except partisanship. In the end, the American voters will decide the election, not Russia, or any other country.

So you're cool with a potential reality of the American people voting for a Russian puppet, as long as the American people vote for it? No biggie--we deserve it?

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Donald Trump responds to the Khan family: ‘Maybe she wasn’t allowed to have anything to say’

"She probably, maybe she wasn't allowed to have anything to say. You tell me," Trump continued. "But a plenty of people have written that. She was extremely quiet, and it looked like she had nothing to say. A lot of people have said that."

YOU said that drumpf. YOU. YOU are the 'people' you keep referring to. Fucking media really needs to step up their game. and drumpf stoops yet again to a lower level. He's a slithering pool of birdshit.

 

[zinfamous]

YOU said that drumpf. YOU. YOU are the 'people' you keep referring to. Fucking media really needs to step up their game. and drumpf stoops yet again to a lower level. He's a slithering pool of birdshit.

It's hard to read an article like that when none of his asinine blatherings aren't followed-up with a "this is not true," "the real numbers are," "we were unable to uncover anyone within the RNC that said x" etc. Especially considering that comment "I was very responsible, along with some other people, for getting that Vietnam Memorial in NYC." Probably wouldn't take much time to dig out the depth of that lie.

My guess? Trump likely contracted a team of surveyors and diggers to prepare the site and clear it out as a favor to the group in charge of the memorial, then stiffed the contractors.

It's incredibly shoddy.

well, here's something.
http://wonkette.com/591339/donald-t...n-builds-vietnam-memorial-with-his-bare-hands

One official of the Vietnam commission, who has attended all the meetings, maintains Trump has been to only two or three out of 20 meetings. This was confirmed by another member of the commission. The first time he attended a meeting was to launch the commission, one source says, and the second was when he arrived with a reporter who was profiling him.

To this charge, Trump responds: “That’s interesting. I’ll resign then. They’re very small thinkers. They’re stockbrokers that were in Vietnam and they don’t have it.”

 

[Thump553]

Quote:
"She probably, maybe she wasn't allowed to have anything to say. You tell me," Trump continued. "But a plenty of people have written that. She was extremely quiet, and it looked like she had nothing to say. A lot of people have said that."

There was a followup interview on MSNBC last night. Mrs. Khan spoke there. Among other things she said that she can't even go into a room where there is a picture of her son. There was a huge picture of her son as background at the DNC and when she saw that she basically froze up.

In that followup interview Mr. Khan had very high praise for Mitch McConnell and Paul Ryan but said it was a moral imperative for them to publicly oppose Trump.

After seeing that interview I'm convince the Khans are the real deal-and perhaps the only honest moment in a political convention in decades, maybe ever.

 

[umbrella39]

Ahh the old "A lot of people" and "I've been hearing"... Trump 101

 

[Balt]

Ahh the old "A lot of people" and "I've been hearing"... Trump 101

Fox News has been using lines like that for probably two decades now. It's the way they avoid any accountability for the stupid shit they say.

 

[Jhhnn]

After seeing that interview I'm convince the Khans are the real deal-and perhaps the only honest moment in a political convention in decades, maybe ever.

Nice backhanded "they're just as bad" routine.

 

[bozack]

I don't understand how you can be critical of one and not the other, except partisanship.

ehem, look where you're posting and who you're responding to...dictionary definition of partisan hackery.

 

[Perknose]

A touching moment of genuine emotion from the DNC that I missed was Sander's brother Larry casting his vote for Bernie, while invoking the memory of their parents and of FDR's New Deal.

Their parents had hard lives and died young. Bernie's Dad didn't graduate from HS, and his Mom never went to college. She died at age 46, his father at 57.

 

[bozack]

A touching moment of genuine emotion from the DNC that I missed was Sander's brother Larry casting his vote for Bernie, while invoking the memory of their parents and of FDR's New Deal.

Their parents had hard lives and died young. Bernie's Dad didn't graduate from HS, and his Mom never went to college. She died at age 46, his father at 57.

a shame sanderclaus got rolled over by the clinton machine but unsurprising given the weight of the DNC was in the corner of corruption

 

[Jhhnn]

a shame sanderclaus got rolled over by the clinton machine but unsurprising given the weight of the DNC was in the corner of corruption

Rolled over? Watch who gets rolled over next. Odds are it'll be Donald Trump throwing himself in front of the bus, raving obliviously the whole time.

 

[DrPizza]

So Trump, the businessman found capital outside the USA. I'm sure he's not the first one, the only one, nor will he be the last one. He wasn't serving in any public office at the time, even if what is alleged is true. So, what is the crime that causes you to say lock him up? Cite it.
I'm not supporting Trump on this, but I fail to see anything remotely criminal here. Also, don't see you being objective and looking at both candidates with your investigative eye. Don't you question Bill Clinton's large speaking fees for political influence while Hillary was SOS? Pay for play is corruption. Peddling influence is criminal. I can go ahead and type a litany of scandals regarding the Clintons, but I don't feel the need to do so here. It's all available to read, if one cares too take the time.

Bottom line is, I see both candidates as tainted and I'm not voting for either of them, but I don't understand how you can be critical of one and not the other, except partisanship. In the end, the American voters will decide the election, not Russia, or any other country.

Foreign capital - not a problem. All major US banks refusing to give him capital - indicates a problem. Of the various foreign governments, some are a bit more respectable than others - Russian though? A lot more shady stuff going on there.

a shame sanderclaus got rolled over by the clinton machine but unsurprising given the weight of the DNC was in the corner of corruption

Evidence that they rolled over Bernie? There were emails with suggestions of how to hurt Bernie, e.g., out his lack of religion to reduce his votes - but the response to that in the DNC was "no." YES! The DNC favored Clinton. Perhaps they saw through Bernie - he was an Independent who was using the DNC to further his political platform. He wasn't a Democrat 2 years ago, and he's since left the party again. Personally, I think the DNC very well may have taken action had Hillary not been WAY ahead in votes. She crushed him by over 3 million votes (despite Bernie winning a bunch of the later states). Again, toward the end, he won a few states; I see zero evidence that the DNC was out to get him.

So, evidence that they actually did something to hurt Bernie, instead of evidence that they weren't in favor of Bernie winning?

 

[Pens1566]

Again, Hillary beat Sanders by a wider margin this year than Obama beat her in 2008. Let that sink in.

 

[bozack]

Evidence that they rolled over Bernie? There were emails with suggestions of how to hurt Bernie, e.g., out his lack of religion to reduce his votes - but the response to that in the DNC was "no." YES! The DNC favored Clinton. Perhaps they saw through Bernie - he was an Independent who was using the DNC to further his political platform. He wasn't a Democrat 2 years ago, and he's since left the party again. Personally, I think the DNC very well may have taken action had Hillary not been WAY ahead in votes. She crushed him by over 3 million votes (despite Bernie winning a bunch of the later states). Again, toward the end, he won a few states; I see zero evidence that the DNC was out to get him.

So, evidence that they actually did something to hurt Bernie, instead of evidence that they weren't in favor of Bernie winning?

They clearly favored Clinton and used their influence to suggest for months that Bernie just didn't have a chance and perception is reality....convince enough potential voters that your wasting your time/vote and they will reconsider.

heck even Jill Stein has now come out and said the Democtatic Party sabotaged Sanders: http://video.foxnews.com/v/5054602658001/jill-stein-dnc-sabotaged-bernie-sanders/?#sp=show-clips

Its the little things, in December they blocked his access to voter data, they were manipulative of the media and the message around how well his candidacy and or chances were, and clearly if all else failed they were conspiring to take actions further...

At best they didn't do him any favors, at worst they were actively working to sabotage his chances.

 

[bozack]

Rolled over? Watch who gets rolled over next. Odds are it'll be Donald Trump throwing himself in front of the bus, raving obliviously the whole time.

given the gratuitous amounts of negative press for the Donald post the DNC its really sad that Clinton only came out with a four point bump in the polls...shows how much people feel she is a shitty candidate.

 

[ivwshane]

They clearly favored Clinton and used their influence to suggest for months that Bernie just didn't have a chance and perception is reality....convince enough potential voters that your wasting your time/vote and they will reconsider.

heck even Jill Stein has now come out and said the Democtatic Party sabotaged Sanders: http://video.foxnews.com/v/5054602658001/jill-stein-dnc-sabotaged-bernie-sanders/?#sp=show-clips

Its the little things, in December they blocked his access to voter data, they were manipulative of the media and the message around how well his candidacy and or chances were, and clearly if all else failed they were conspiring to take actions further...

At best they didn't do him any favors, at worst they were actively working to sabotage his chances.

And your proof of such influence being used?

 

[ivwshane]

given the gratuitous amounts of negative press for the Donald post the DNC its really sad that Clinton only came out with a four point bump in the polls...shows how much people just really thinks she is a shitty candidate.

What does it say about trump that he got an even smaller bump?

Can you show me where past conventions typically yielded large bumps?

 

[DrPizza]

They clearly favored Clinton and used their influence to suggest for months that Bernie just didn't have a chance and perception is reality....convince enough potential voters that your wasting your time/vote and they will reconsider.

heck even Jill Stein has now come out and said the Democtatic Party sabotaged Sanders: http://video.foxnews.com/v/5054602658001/jill-stein-dnc-sabotaged-bernie-sanders/?#sp=show-clips

Its the little things, in December they blocked his access to voter data, they were manipulative of the media and the message around how well his candidacy and or chances were, and clearly if all else failed they were conspiring to take actions further...

At best they didn't do him any favors, at worst they were actively working to sabotage his chances.

OMG! A political opponent has come out and agreed?! What's next? Trump will say it too?
Seems like when they were saying that, Bernie was already down by at least a million votes - stating the truth is evidence of wrongdoing?

 

[bozack]

What does it say about trump that he got an even smaller bump?

Can you show me where past conventions typically yielded large bumps?

Is it truly fair to compare the two?

In the former of your argument you're talking of someone that has had countless stories about how he will be blown out of this race at virtually every milestone and yet has continued to hold a strong position and advance it.

In the latter you have someone who has spent literally their life in politics, should by all accounts be a shoe in for this race, and still is arguably in a dead heat with a guy that has a tendency of shooting himself in the ass on like a daily basis.

So yeah, I do think its pretty sad for Hillary if that's the best she can do and it will possibly take Trump flipping the double barrels to everyone on national TV or punching a baby before she seemingly gets a tangible lead over the guy.

OMG! A political opponent has come out and agreed?! What's next? Trump will say it too?
Seems like when they were saying that, Bernie was already down by at least a million votes - stating the truth is evidence of wrongdoing?

So you're saying before Bernie was down that he and Hillary were treated as equals by the DNC...ok if that is what you want to believe then that is your business but given the emails I have a hard time with that, but at this point it doesn't matter as they chewed him up and spit him out, he has now been relegated to yesterdays trash bin.