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brycejones

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So you're saying before Bernie was down that he and Hillary were treated as equals by the DNC...ok if that is what you want to believe then that is your business but given the emails I have a hard time with that, but at this point it doesn't matter as they chewed him up and spit him out, he has now been relegated to yesterdays trash bin.

So in other words you hand wave evidence to contrary away. Keep on keeping on.
 

bozack

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So in other words you hand wave evidence to contrary away. Keep on keeping on.

what evidence? the fact that Hillary had a higher delegate count or was up in total vote count? no if you can read then you'd see that I did no such thing, rather I noted that the media who I believe was influenced by the DNC was on the whole far more favorable and pushed Clinton over sanders, clearly the DNC was working to the possibility of having to actively work against the guy....I just find it hard to believe they were completely neutral given that given they were hatching plans to sabotage him

And convenient how the fact that he lost access to voter data from the DNC in December is just ignored....so its ok for hillary supporters to accuse folks of hand waving evidence away or no?
 

Jhhnn

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what evidence? the fact that Hillary had a higher delegate count or was up in total vote count? no if you can read then you'd see that I did no such thing, rather I noted that the media who I believe was influenced by the DNC was on the whole far more favorable and pushed Clinton over sanders, clearly the DNC was working to the possibility of having to actively work against the guy....I just find it hard to believe they were completely neutral given that given they were hatching plans to sabotage him

And convenient how the fact that he lost access to voter data from the DNC in December is just ignored....so its ok for hillary supporters to accuse folks of hand waving evidence away or no?

I don't think they were completely neutral. OTOH, whatever partisanship they exhibited doesn't account for 3.7M votes either. It wasn't even close.

Media coverage?

https://www.good.is/articles/hillary-clinton-negative-press

Google "Clinton negative media" for a lot more of the same.
 

ivwshane

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Is it truly fair to compare the two?

In the former of your argument you're talking of someone that has had countless stories about how he will be blown out of this race at virtually every milestone and yet has continued to hold a strong position and advance it.

In the latter you have someone who has spent literally their life in politics, should by all accounts be a shoe in for this race, and still is arguably in a dead heat with a guy that has a tendency of shooting himself in the ass on like a daily basis.

So yeah, I do think its pretty sad for Hillary if that's the best she can do and it will possibly take Trump flipping the double barrels to everyone on national TV or punching a baby before she seemingly gets a tangible lead over the guy.



So you're saying before Bernie was down that he and Hillary were treated as equals by the DNC...ok if that is what you want to believe then that is your business but given the emails I have a hard time with that, but at this point it doesn't matter as they chewed him up and spit him out, he has now been relegated to yesterdays trash bin.

Someone who has been in politics for thirty years and has had an even longer time worth of smears and propaganda against her. You of course ignore the smear and propaganda used against Clinton because if you acknowledged it your bubble would be violated.

But I digress, your lack of proof is noted.
 

bozack

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Someone who has been in politics for thirty years and has had an even longer time worth of smears and propaganda against her. You of course ignore the smear and propaganda used against Clinton because if you acknowledged it your bubble would be violated.

But I digress, your lack of proof is noted.

two things...

1. are you then saying from the start the DNC and media were equal in how they handled coverage/support of Hillary and Bernie...guess it is all about perception but mine was the sense that it was "her turn" and that everyone was working to that end.

2. Based off your reply I figure I can guess, but do you feel the negative press she has gotten is not deserved?

she has had arguably decades to fix her image and has been unable to. Bernie had the luxury of being relatively unknown but still got rolled over by the machine...again it doesn't matter as she is the candidate and he is working to retirement.

Unrelated but here is a great example of Breaking Bernie

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...porters-to-back-clinton/ar-BBv4YAo?li=BBnb7Kz

"Which candidate, for example, wants to overturn this disastrous Citizens United Supreme Court decision, which allows billionaires to buy elections and is undermining American democracy? That is Hillary Clinton's position."

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...return-to-the-fore/ar-BBuZo4h?ocid=spartandhp

On Tuesday, when Hillary Clinton became the first female nominee of a major party, a handful of drug companies and health insurers made sure to echo the theme, paying to sponsor an “Inspiring Women” panel featuring Democratic congresswomen.

And in the vaulted marble bar of the Ritz-Carlton downtown, wealthy givers congregated in force for cocktails and glad-handing, as protesters thronged just outside to voice their unhappiness with Wall Street, big money in politics and Mrs. Clinton herself

gotta love it
 
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Jhhnn

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two things...

1. are you then saying from the start the DNC and media were equal in how they handled coverage/support of Hillary and Bernie...guess it is all about perception but mine was the sense that it was "her turn" and that everyone was working to that end.

First off, don't conflate DNC efforts & what actually happened in the media. As the linked numbers show, her coverage was overwhelmingly negative. Belief to the contrary is simply wrong.

2. Based off your reply I figure I can guess, but do you feel the negative press she has gotten is not deserved?

she has had arguably decades to fix her image and has been unable to. Bernie had the luxury of being relatively unknown but still got rolled over by the machine...again it doesn't matter as she is the candidate and he is working to retirement.

As Bill pointed out, The image projected by her adversaries is a cartoon, a caricature, and a very well crafted if totally scurrilous body of work. She's made some mistakes & deserves some flak, but Benghazi is unadulterated bullshit & the whole email flap little more.


No problem tearing down Bernie to get at Hillary, obviously.


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