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Jhhnn

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How about her family and million and million of ILLEGALS follow immigration law and enter the US LEGALLY as million and million of LEGALS have been doing?

Too easy, huh?

American children have rights, all of them, regardless of the immigration status of their parents. I think that extends to not having their parents deported simply as a matter of protecting them & of common decency. They are America's children, all of them, & their welfare outweighs all other considerations.
 

LegendKiller

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American children have rights, all of them, regardless of the immigration status of their parents. I think that extends to not having their parents deported simply as a matter of protecting them & of common decency. They are America's children, all of them, & their welfare outweighs all other considerations.

Then they shouldn't come here. That's the risk you run when you want to break your host country's laws.
 

agent00f

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Do they? The us gives up more, always has, always will.

Does tpp solve for SOEs? Environmental and work conditions? Currency manipulation? If it doesn't, and if the countries are not free markets, those all put us companies at a massive disadvantage and fuck our country. No thanks.

I'm fairly content that it was sufficiently explained to you what trade treaties actually involve, so there's little more anyone can do to disprove the futility of that exercise.

It's just odd that conservatives are the new communists terrorists trying to hobble american companies chomping at the bit to sell to the developing world.
 

Zaap

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I get what you're saying, but you're still not answering the question: what do you do with the legal American kids?
I dunno... just an idea. When people are found to be in a country illegally, they and their non-citizen children are required to leave.

So because the children are legal, the illegal parents exploiting a loophole get to stay?

How about they must leave, take their children WITH THEM as civilized people take care of their own children. When the children are of legal age to immigrate, they can return on their own as they are citizens. (Or stay if they have *legal resident* family to raise them and all parties agree.)

And in the meantime, the whole country should rework the 14th amendment through the proper ways put in place to function more as it was originally meant, not as a loophole for creating anchor babies. The idea is outdated and should be addressed logically.
 

Svnla

Lifer
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American children have rights, all of them, regardless of the immigration status of their parents. I think that extends to not having their parents deported simply as a matter of protecting them & of common decency. They are America's children, all of them, & their welfare outweighs all other considerations.

Not once you even bother to answer my main point of..

How about her family and million and million of ILLEGALS follow immigration law and enter the US LEGALLY as million and million of LEGALS have been doing?

All I hear from you and people like you are those ILLEGALS have right, this, that, and more. Nothing, nada, zip. not a darn thing about respect our country by follow the very rules and laws that everyone should abide by.

They broke the law, now deal with the consequences. Enough of excuses. Millions and millions of LEGALS are waiting for years to do it the LEGAL way. Why they have to follow the rules and laws and the ILLEGALS such as the family in the story don't have to? Why is that? Why the hell the ILLEGALS have the right to cut in the long line and jump ahead of everyone else? Why the hell we even bother to have a border or even have immigration rules and laws if certain group of people don't have to follow those rules/laws?

So children of non violent meth cookers and sellers shall not be separate with their parents? Their parents won't have to go to jail right? After all, protect the children and common decency, right? After all, those parents just want to earn money and take care them kids.

Shall I continue with the full of excuses bandwagon...full speed ahead?
 
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LegendKiller

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the children were BORN here.

And? Their parents ran the risk that they would be deported. They can haul their little anchor baby up and leave until the child can come back here and be a productive citizen of the country.
 

Muse

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2016 should have been Trump vs Sanders and we ALL know it

That would have been monumental and it was exactly what I was hoping for (and a Bernie victory, of course). I was very saddened as it became less and less likely and then impossible. However, not in a million years would I endorse Trump. I will not go sour grapes.
 

agent00f

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Well, millions of LEGALS are doing it the right way so don't tell me it can't be done but the ILLEGALS do not want to follow the law and now they have the nerve to bitch and moan about the consequences of their OWN doing?

Get rid of the ILLEGALS by any mean necessary. No more amnesty. Oh, I forgot to use the code words of "comprehensive immigration reform". LOL

As I said before, let apply immigration rules and laws equally to ALL, not just a selective few.

so your stance is to deport the illegal parents of legal american kids, leaving the kids to go to foster care, relatives, or back to [whatever country their parents are from].

Nothing wrong with that, just want to be sure what your stance is.

To share in this theme of keeping it real, it's a matter of fact that politics is very much a game. So I'm curious if people calling Sanders a whore/sellout or such are just playing that game, or they truly believe what they're saying.

I can sort of believe the latter for wide eyed progressives, but not really for conservatives who predictably hate obama or whoever for meeting them in the middle.
 

Svnla

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And in the meantime, the whole country should rework the 14th amendment through the proper ways put in place to function more as it was originally meant, not as a loophole for creating anchor babies. The idea is outdated and should be addressed logically.

Ding, ding, ding. I was about to type very much the same thing as you did.

The 14th A. was not for ILLEGALS to come here and pop out kids after kids as US citizens. The purpose of it was not for that.
 

LegendKiller

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I'm fairly content that it was sufficiently explained to you what trade treaties actually involve, so there's little more anyone can do to disprove the futility of that exercise.

It's just odd that conservatives are the new communists terrorists trying to hobble american companies chomping at the bit to sell to the developing world.

Our companies are doing pretty well selling to them now, aren't they?

Germans do pretty well also while protecting their industries, massively.

I am pretty sure explaining to you the way currency pegs and manipulation massively harm companies would be a futile exercise.


But never mind that, competing against SOEs in a "free trade" environment, where they can dump their products at far cheaper costs due to unlimited and practically free capital, results in such a great outcome for our companies. amiright?
 

Ns1

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And in the meantime, the whole country should rework the 14th amendment through the proper ways put in place to function more as it was originally meant, not as a loophole for creating anchor babies. The idea is outdated and should be addressed logically.

that sounds like a great idea. while we're at it maybe we can revisit the 2nd amendment too. The idea is outdated and should be addressed logically.
 

LegendKiller

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that sounds like a great idea. while we're at it maybe we can revisit the 2nd amendment too. The idea is outdated and should be addressed logically.

Ahhh yes, the practice of taking away rights from legal and lawful citizens and granting rights to...everybody...is equivalent.

How about this. Why have any immigration rights, at all? Just wide open, anybody can come and go as they please. Citizens pay in, the rest do nothing. They can have all benefits, create citizens, and citizens just pay for it.

Do you like that system?
 

agent00f

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Our companies are doing pretty well selling to them now, aren't they?

Germans do pretty well also while protecting their industries, massively.

I am pretty sure explaining to you the way currency pegs and manipulation massively harm companies would be a futile exercise.

But never mind that, competing against SOEs in a "free trade" environment, where they can dump their products at far cheaper costs due to unlimited and practically free capital, results in such a great outcome for our companies. amiright?

Again, it's really surprising (or not) that conservatives are now trying to tell private industry which support TPP/etc that they should suffer artificially imposed free-market barriers to honor some greater social good.
 

Zaap

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So children of non violent meth cookers and sellers shall not be separate with their parents? Their parents won't have to go to jail right? After all, protect the children and common decency, right? After all, those parents just want to earn money and take care them kids.

Shall I continue with the full of excuses bandwagon...full speed ahead?

This point won't be addressed. "But the parents broke the law and WILL be separated from their children as a consequence!" only applies if its a law we AGREE with.

And no one is really even saying that illegal immigrants must be seperated from their kids.... that would be a choice of not taking them with you if deported. Not like home grown criminals get a choice to take their children to jail with them. What kind of parent chooses to leave their kids behind in another country? No force on earth could make me leave my kids in another country. I sure can't imagine making someone else into the badguy had I chosen to do that. "B-ut I was exploiting X nation's immigration laws!" would be a lame excuse to me also.
 

Ns1

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Ahhh yes, the practice of taking away rights from legal and lawful citizens and granting rights to...everybody...is equivalent.

How about this. Why have any immigration rights, at all? Just wide open, anybody can come and go as they please. Citizens pay in, the rest do nothing. They can have all benefits, create citizens, and citizens just pay for it.

Do you like that system?

I don't actually disagree with any of the points on immigration, I just wanted to know what the plan was for the legal kids of parents who got deported.

With regards to the 14th/2nd amendment, another poster said the 14th was antiquated and didn't apply to society today, and we should revisit it. If we are going to apply that logic to the 14th, we should apply that logic to the 2nd as well.

I am not advocating that we take anyone's rights away.

No force on earth could make me leave my kids in another country.

That's because you live in the US. Lots of immigrants send their kids off because the US is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better than whatever the fuck country they came from.
 
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Zaap

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that sounds like a great idea. while we're at it maybe we can revisit the 2nd amendment too. The idea is outdated and should be addressed logically.
Already happened.

But fine. I'd gladly put up revisiting the 2nd if we can common sense the 14th as a requirement that only offspring of atleast one LEGAL resident get automatic citizenship. Just sneaking in here and pumping out an anchor baby is a bullshit system. Its not even a logical way of gaining new citizens. Its an exploit of what was intended to give citizenship to former slaves, not just anyone who could sneak across a border.
 

agent00f

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This point won't be addressed. "But the parents broke the law and WILL be separated from their children as a consequence!" only applies if its a law we AGREE with.

And no one is really even saying that illegal immigrants must be seperated from their kids.... that would be a choice of not taking them with you if deported. Not like home grown criminals get a choice to take their children to jail with them. What kind of parent chooses to leave their kids behind in another country? No force on earth could make me leave my kids in another country. I sure can't imagine making someone else into the badguy had I chosen to do that. "B-ut I was exploiting X nation's immigration laws!" would be a lame excuse to me also.

It makes quite a bit of sense that people without any of the immigrant future-seeking mentality can't figure out this whole immigration thing.
 

Jhhnn

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Then they shouldn't come here. That's the risk you run when you want to break your host country's laws.

So, just pitch the 14th amendment right out the window. Disavow our own citizen children, some of the most vulnerable among us.
 

Ns1

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compuwiz1

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All I'm hearing out of this convention is social injustice, income inequality, how thugs are somehow victims. Illegals need to be protected from deportation. Universal healthcare. LGBTQ rights. The race card. The victim card. The woman card. All fine and good, those things need to be addressed and we have laws on the books that protect all those various classes. I'm hearing a lot of catering to the entitlement crowd, typical of the Democrats, as of late. What they're not talking about is bothering me and why I think Hillary is going to lose.

I'm not hearing about the things the angry electorate cares about.
Where are the flags?
Where is the patriotism?
Where is the rallying for the USA?
What about defeating ISIS?
Where is the talk about border control?
What about enforcing immigration laws?
Where is the talk about ending sanctuary cities?
Where is the talk about protecting the 2nd amendment?
Where is the talk about trade imbalances?
Where is the talk about how to create jobs?
Where is the support for our police?
What are their plans to improve and update infrastructure?
Where is the talk about law and order and enforcing our laws?
Where is the talk about our energy sources?

Nope, they're not talking about the things that can make us prosper, create jobs, make our country more secure and safe. It's crystal clear why I can't vote Democrat. All they're aiming to do is take us further down the toilet.
 

Virge_

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All I'm hearing out of this convention is social injustice, income inequality, how thugs are somehow victims. Illegals need to be protected from deportation. Universal healthcare. LGBTQ rights. The race card. The victim card. The woman card. All fine and good, those things need to be addressed and we have laws on the books that protect all those various classes. I'm hearing a lot of catering to the entitlement crowd, typical of the Democrats, as of late. What they're not talking about is bothering me and why I think Hillary is going to lose.

I'm not hearing about the things the angry electorate cares about.
Where are the flags?
Where is the patriotism?
Where is the rallying for the USA?
What about defeating ISIS?
Where is the talk about border control?
What about enforcing immigration laws?
Where is the talk about ending sanctuary cities?
Where is the talk about protecting the 2nd amendment?
Where is the talk about trade imbalances?
Where is the talk about how to create jobs?
Where is the support for our police?
What are their plans to improve and update infrastructure?
Where is the talk about law and order and enforcing our laws?
Where is the talk about our energy sources?

Nope, they're not talking about the things that can make us prosper, create jobs, make our country more secure and safe. It's crystal clear why I can't vote Democrat. All they're aiming to do is take us further down the toilet.

Well said. Allow me to add a bullet point you missed:

  • What about the low wages of the A/V technician who is currently controlling the HEAVY usage of a DSP (digital signal processor) which was added between yesterday and today to intentionally drown out the crowds uproar when they aren't clapping.
P.S. Are we ever going to see any white people? The actress didn't count. She looked like she had whiteface on.
 

agent00f

Lifer
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All I'm hearing out of this convention is social injustice, income inequality, how thugs are somehow victims. Illegals need to be protected from deportation. Universal healthcare. LGBTQ rights. The race card. The victim card. The woman card. All fine and good, those things need to be addressed and we have laws on the books that protect all those various classes. I'm hearing a lot of catering to the entitlement crowd, typical of the Democrats, as of late. What they're not talking about is bothering me and why I think Hillary is going to lose.

I'm not hearing about the things the angry electorate cares about.
Where are the flags?
Where is the patriotism?
Where is the rallying for the USA?

What about defeating ISIS?
Where is the talk about border control?
What about enforcing immigration laws?
Where is the talk about ending sanctuary cities?
Where is the talk about protecting the 2nd amendment?
Where is the talk about trade imbalances?
Where is the talk about how to create jobs?
Where is the support for our police?
What are their plans to improve and update infrastructure?
Where is the talk about law and order and enforcing our laws?
Where is the talk about our energy sources?

Nope, they're not talking about the things that can make us prosper, create jobs, make our country more secure and safe. It's crystal clear why I can't vote Democrat. All they're aiming to do is take us further down the toilet.

I invoke poe's law.

To put this topic in perspective, I have zero doubt that the DNC put the bleeding heart kid speech in there to troll conservatives. The reactions above likening illegal immigrants & offspring to criminals/thugs are perfect to get out the hispanic vote.

Everything the R party has strategized with concerted effort to carefully court conservative catholic latinos is completely unraveling because their followers are too goddamn stupid to play the politics.

In the game of thrones, they would be long dead if not for this society's rather liberal social catch net.
 
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