Democratic National Convention thread

[Virge_]

I could turn "Women's Healthcare" into a drinking game tonight. Wife and I just counted 13 of them in 6 minutes during that poorly edited sob video.

 

[Virge_]

Apparently Hillary defies gravity. That definitely explains why she can defy prosecution.

If you can defy one law, you can defy them all. Logic checks out.

 

[Virge_]

Yup. Lets parade around more cripples showing the SJW bigots what their tax dollars pay for. Difference between them and normal people is normal people believe in fucking Darwinism.

Poor Tyrian Lannister might actually believe Hillary herself writes those letters instead of some underpaid woman intern doing slave labor to hope for a future.

 

[Virge_]

"Stage Children's Health Insurance", "Women's Insurance", "Women's Breast Cancer", "Women's Healthcare". Repeat two dozen times for accuracy for the past two hours of this dumpster fire.

This racist sexist nonsense absolutely HATES white males!

 

[agent00f]

And it works because it reveals the truth about right wing attitudes-

It's the same thing when the DNC puts on some arbitrary BLM figure. You get the predictably stupid racial antagonism crawling out, and the democrats'll take all that sweet black vote please.

And in all fairness Trump is pretty good, too. Call some mexicans rapists (not like he's losing many votes over it), and when assorted mexicans predictably get pissed to excess it's time to rally the scared white vote.

Frankly it takes too much compassion to observe this at work and not become elitist.

 

[Virge_]

Guns are apparently the "Ultimate Health Crisis". News to me!

 

[Schmide]

What no Ahhhhh. WTF Dean

 

[Paratus]

Diversion into nonsense. Away from the issue at hand & the shitty attitudes that make it such an issue, including your own.

My god they are always whining about gun grabbers.

It's not like somebody's passed a mandatory Gun Buyer ID law requiring special IDs that are only available on one day a year (Election Day) to buy a gun to combat in person gun buyer fraud.

 

[yllus]

All I'm hearing out of this convention is social injustice, income inequality, how thugs are somehow victims. Illegals need to be protected from deportation. Universal healthcare. LGBTQ rights. The race card. The victim card. The woman card. All fine and good, those things need to be addressed and we have laws on the books that protect all those various classes. I'm hearing a lot of catering to the entitlement crowd, typical of the Democrats, as of late. What they're not talking about is bothering me and why I think Hillary is going to lose.

I'm not hearing about the things the angry electorate cares about.
Where are the flags?
Where is the patriotism?
Where is the rallying for the USA?
What about defeating ISIS?
Where is the talk about border control?
What about enforcing immigration laws?
Where is the talk about ending sanctuary cities?
Where is the talk about protecting the 2nd amendment?
Where is the talk about trade imbalances?
Where is the talk about how to create jobs?
Where is the support for our police?
What are their plans to improve and update infrastructure?
Where is the talk about law and order and enforcing our laws?
Where is the talk about our energy sources?

Nope, they're not talking about the things that can make us prosper, create jobs, make our country more secure and safe. It's crystal clear why I can't vote Democrat. All they're aiming to do is take us further down the toilet.

No offence, but literally half of your topics are jingoistic nonsense. Flags? Patriotism? "Rallying"? Come on. Even for a gathering all about wasting time and energy that's a waste of time and energy.

 

[Virge_]

Did that grown man just air-guitar motor-boating a midget?

Followed immediately by Elizabeth Banks returning to the stage to say "Nope.. that's not what I'm supposed to be saying, I think.. yes!" then start her skit. Well, at least the snarky actor remembered she was on the wrong script. Good for her. LOTS of boo's while she's talking, though - turn up the volume and listen to the chants for Bernie everytime she gets on stage.

 

[Virge_]

HE JUST SAID SHE HAD STEEL IN HER SPINE, IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW: YOU CAN'T KILL HILLARY BECAUSE SHE'S WOLVERINE.

Shit.

 

[brycejones]

Man some folks are losing their shit.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

It wasn't an argument, burger boy. I simply stated a fact. If you really can't tell the difference, it's time for you to suck it up and lose the lard from your thinking. No one likes a fathead.

It would be nice if you provided some kind of evidence for that fact. Are you saying that ICE officers don't ask people arrested about family? Or that, if the van came to take mom and dad away, and they insisted to have their daughter with them, they would refuse?

Why? Is reality too harsh? Abstraction & depersonalization too easy an alternative?

Each and every baby born in this country is a citizen *by definition*. The 14th amendment lays it out as black letter law. It's been that way for almost 150 years.

As a nation, we have obligations to those children, the first of which is to treat them with equanimity. That really extends to not deporting any of their parents because of residency status. I think American children, all of them, should have that right. They're ours & we should do the best we can for all of them.

Too easy, huh?

Yeah, too easy. Where does it say that children have a protected right to have their parents with them?

 

[brycejones]

No offence, but literally half of your topics are jingoistic nonsense. Flags? Patriotism? "Rallying"? Come on. Even for a gathering all about wasting time and energy that's a waste of time and energy.

Dude it's compuwiz the grumpy old fart of p&n. It's usually best to stay off his lawn.

 

[UberNeuman]

ah, you poor little "conservatives." Not content with the fear, anger and rage parade of the GOP convention last week, here you bring it into Democratic Convention thread.

All that fear, anger and rage and ranting... It's all you have anymore because you can't stand on your ideas and principles because you have none.

You are the reason the GOP is a flaming wreck.

Well done, lads!

lol....

 

[Virge_]

Dude it's compuwiz the grumpy old fart of p&n. It's usually best to stay off his lawn.

So representative of the naive to insult the experienced.

The only thing more amusing is watching them, inevitably with enough time, turn into that which they ridicule.

 

[Zaap]

Tell me more about how Syrians can rise up against their masters and make their country better.

Gee I dunno, how did ANYONE ever fight a revolution against a tyrannical adversary and make something better from it? How did blacks in this country ever make things better, not just run away to Canada? Is running away from problems always the answer?

So every shit hole there is has to always remain one, because no one will remain to change things? Since when?

This is of course all besides the point that the problems we face with immigration aren't overwhelmingly from refugees of currently hot conflicts. Nor does it mean that even those seeking asylum from conflicts shouldn't be subject to immigration laws and procedures, not just "Sneak in! It's okay cause things are really bad back home! Bonus points for pumping out a kid just to use as an anchor if you get caught."

 

[yllus]

Dude it's compuwiz the grumpy old fart of p&n. It's usually best to stay off his lawn.

I have a soft spot for any early AnandTechers, including the wiz. But I do intend to stay off his lawn.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

If someone's been in the US long enough to raise kids to some age, it's not uncommon that they had or developed some sort of support network. For example it might well be other illegal immigrants or whatever they have some implicit pact with.

Regardless, this requirement for "vast majority of cases" is odd since I'm pretty sure nobody ever made that claim in the first place.

Generally I'd imagine parents don't like the idea of leaving their children alone in another nation with non-family. In the scenario described by Clinton of Trump's policies, there would be no other illegals to live with because Trump kicked them all out and broke those family ties.

You were taking issue with my use of fear-mongering, which I assumed involved the usual exaggeration component of the word. I'm saying that the scenario that people like to lay out with children being split from their parents is unrealistic, because parents have the option of taking their dual-citizenship children with them until they become legal residents themselves.

 

[yllus]

Gee I dunno, how did ANYONE ever fight a revolution against a tyrannical adversary and make something better from it? How did blacks in this country ever make things better, not just run away to Canada? Is running away from problems always the answer?

So every shit hole there is has to always remain one, because no one will remain to change things? Since when?

This is of course all besides the point that the problems we face with immigration aren't from refugees of currently hot conflicts. Nor does it mean that even those seeking asylum from conflicts shouldn't be subject to immigration laws and procedures, not just "Sneak in! It's okay cause things are really bad back home! Bonus points for pumping out a kid just to use as an anchor if you get caught."

It's actually a point of contention that a population can actually rebel in the modern era. As we saw in Egypt and Libya it's not impossible, but had significant parts of the military of both countries not gone over to the rebels we'd almost assuredly have seen the movements in those countries crushed like they were in Iran or currently are being in Syria.

 

[Virge_]

I have a soft spot for any early AnandTechers, including the wiz. But I do intend to stay off his lawn.

I was around for Nowheremom.

I opted not to register for various forums, including this one, until I observed their sales and subsequent complete subjection of moderatorship by corporate interests begin to push my capacity for silence too far.

The sole legitimate venue for your views on our "moderatorship" is Mod Discussion, and not in open forum.

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Forum Director

 

[DrPizza]

How about her family and million and million of ILLEGALS follow immigration law and enter the US LEGALLY as million and million of LEGALS have been doing?

Too easy, huh?

Around 40% (according to Rubio) of illegal immigrants DID enter the US legally. They stayed after their visas expired.

And in the meantime, the whole country should rework the 14th amendment through the proper ways put in place to function more as it was originally meant, not as a loophole for creating anchor babies. The idea is outdated and should be addressed logically.

I don't think you know how it was originally meant, since it's functioning the way it was intended. They weren't stupid enough to not have considered the concept of "anchor baby" back then. For as ambiguous and open to interpretation some of the Amendments are, there really is no ambiguity to the way this was written: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."

 

[Ns1]

Is running away from problems always the answer?

no, but for an immigrant/refugee it sometimes is. you appear lucky enough to have never been faced with this.

 

[DrPizza]

Just got interrupted to loud chants of "Trump! Trump!" before they brought nasal-voiced annoying white girl caricature back to the stage.

So... you're saying that Trump supporters are the types of assholes who would disrupt the Democratic National Convention? How 'bout that. Such well behaved folks.

 

[Jhhnn]

Ohh, so you have no issue with non-amendment action when taking away some rights, but not others?

I didn't say that. You did.