Democrats are in trouble, even with a Hillary win

Kazukian

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Interesting piece from Vox.

Mirrors my own concerns, crazy ass right wing laws that need to go all the way to the SCOTUS to be fixed.

 

trenchfoot

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Seems to me the Repubs in Congress are doing a whole lot more to ensure their survival as a party mostly due to their feeling a whole lot more threatened than the Dems.

The Repub legislators are the only ones scrambling to enact Voter ID Laws. They're gerrymandering their states a whole lot more than the Dems. They're propagandizing the hell out of their constituents whereas the Dems aren't. They're the exclusive purveyors of fear, hate and existential doom and they're doing a right smart job of it.

They're doing a much better job of being the two-faced fork-tongued dirt eating double-crossing snakes in the grass where they scream bloody murder over scary single issue stuff like gays, same sex marriage, the threat to Christianity in the USA, Second Amendment rights, illegal immigrants etc. etc. to rile up their base of middle class and poor constituents all while they do absolutely NOTHING to raise their quality of life and EVERYTHING they can possibly do to help their very wealthy benefactors get ever wealthier and wealthier.

My hat's off to them thar two-timing Repub Congress scumbags for working double overtime to mitigate the effects of the inexorable tide of demographic change in America by keeping the flow of that tide as low and slow as possible while they try to figure out how to actually stop the flow and somehow reverse it.

The way I see it, their only chance for survival is to keep siding with the very wealthy, make ever grander empty gestures to their working class constituents and ramp up their propaganda campaign ever higher to keep what they already have in the way of votes.
 

agent00f

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Seems to me the Repubs in Congress are doing a whole lot more to ensure their survival as a party mostly due to their feeling a whole lot more threatened than the Dems.

The Repub legislators are the only ones scrambling to enact Voter ID Laws. They're gerrymandering their states a whole lot more than the Dems. They're propagandizing the hell out of their constituents whereas the Dems aren't. They're the exclusive purveyors of fear, hate and existential doom and they're doing a right smart job of it.

They're doing a much better job of being the two-faced fork-tongued dirt eating double-crossing snakes in the grass where they scream bloody murder over scary single issue stuff like gays, same sex marriage, the threat to Christianity in the USA, Second Amendment rights, illegal immigrants etc. etc. to rile up their base of middle class and poor constituents all while they do absolutely NOTHING to raise their quality of life and EVERYTHING they can possibly do to help their very wealthy benefactors get ever wealthier and wealthier.

My hat's off to them thar two-timing Repub Congress scumbags for working double overtime to mitigate the effects of the inexorable tide of demographic change in America by keeping the flow of that tide as low and slow as possible while they try to figure out how to actually stop the flow and somehow reverse it.

The way I see it, their only chance for survival is to keep siding with the very wealthy, make ever grander empty gestures to their working class constituents and ramp up their propaganda campaign ever higher to keep what they already have in the way of votes.

To be fair, perpetuating an minority underclass somewhat increases quality of life like it did back in the day.
 

JSt0rm

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the problem with the way things are going is the dems wont have a check and balance to keep them straight. It will come down to leaders being the check and balance for themselves. Its working in California but I really think thats because of the .gov we have now. When the republican party is relegated to some back woods areas full of fearful white people it will be problematic.
 

Blanky

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They're doing a much better job of being the two-faced fork-tongued dirt eating double-crossing snakes in the grass where they scream bloody murder over scary single issue stuff like gays, same sex marriage, the threat to Christianity in the USA, Second Amendment rights, illegal immigrants etc. etc. to rile up their base of middle class and poor constituents all while they do absolutely NOTHING to raise their quality of life and EVERYTHING they can possibly do to help their very wealthy benefactors get ever wealthier and wealthier.
Wow, your post was impressive, but this really takes the cake.

What if I told you that somebody studied a bunch of police shootings in the country and found that, per encounter, blacks were less likely to be shot than white. What if I told you the person who ran the study was black and this was from harvard. What if I told you that with great frequency now any time a black person is shot by a cop millions of people assume it was an illegitimate shooting--particularly if the cop was white. What if I told you complaining about a legitimate shooting, and subsequently rioting and looting over it, is given a wink and a nod from one of the parties. And if that party wasn't the one you're demonizing?
 
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JSt0rm

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Lol. The per encounter statistic is meaningless if the total encounters are 1000x more.
 

shady28

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Lol. The per encounter statistic is meaningless if the total encounters are 1000x more.

You're making up a narrative that isn't borne out by facts.

This is about the Harvard study, which merely wound up corroborating another earlier study.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jul/11/no-racial-bias-police-shootings-study-harvard-prof/

"The 63-page study, “An Empirical Analysis of Racial Differences in Police Use of Force,” appears to support research conducted at Washington State University showing that officers in simulation tests were actually less likely to shoot at blacks than whites."
 

sportage

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Hold on here....
We're talking about Donald Trump. Remember?
Republicans don't know, democrats don't know.
The thing is, no one really knows.
Trump "has been" a flaming liberal, a far right wing religious fanatic, pro gay, anti gay, pro woman, anti woman, pro party, anti party, pro abortion, anti abortion, pro establishment, anti establishment.
And THAT has been during the last ten minutes...

No one really knows if president Donald will nominate Ted Cruz or Pee Wee Herman for the US Supreme Court.
Hell... President Trump could even nominate Hillary, for all that matter.
We just don't know. No one does.
No one knows if president Trump will build that wall, or instead allow Mexico produce even more of his ties and hats.
No one really knows if president Trump will kick out the illegals, or allow even more of them in as cheap America labor.
Trump could offer free plane tickets from the slums of Mexico straight to the heart of New York city.
And no one knows if Trump will ban Muslims, or end up marrying one after kicking Melanie's fat ass to the curb.
After all, he does have his "standards" for the position trophy wife.
Melanie is getting old, getting fat (according to Donald's standards), and she has been taking fat too much attention away from Donald in the press.
All, a major no no for Donald.

So, who really knows what "candidate" Trump would do vs "president" Trump?
Once elected, does it even matter?
Once Trump's ego bursts it's bubble, the money shot, the grand prize, then what Donald decodes after that and how Donald does after that is totally up to president Donald Trump.
Republicans will not natter, surely you and I will not matter, and what the world thinks will not matter.
How might candidate Trump compare to president Trump?
THAT is the BIG unknown.

PS.
In a time of urgency, a time of panic. people generally come together.
If a fire takes you neighbors house, you come to the rescue. You don't care of they are republican or democrat, black or white, Christian or Muslim.
Well.... same here.
If Donald Trump is president, I suspect both democrats AND republicans join together.
IN HORROR to save their very lives.
 
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Kazukian

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Hold on here....
We're talking about Donald Trump. Remember?
Republicans don't know, democrats don't know.
The thing is, no one really knows.
Trump "has been" a flaming liberal, a far right wing religious fanatic, pro gay, anti gay, pro woman, anti woman, pro party, anti party, pro abortion, anti abortion, pro establishment, anti establishment.
And THAT has been during the last ten minutes...

No one really knows if president Donald will nominate Ted Cruz or Pee Wee Herman for the US Supreme Court.
Hell... President Trump could even nominate Hillary, for all that matter.
We just don't know. No one does.
No one knows if president Trump will build that wall, or instead allow Mexico produce even more of his ties and hats.
No one really knows if president Trump will kick out the illegals, or allow even more of them in as cheap America labor.
Trump could offer free plane tickets from the slums of Mexico straight to the heart of New York city.
And no one knows if Trump will ban Muslims, or end up marrying one after kicking Melanie's fat ass to the curb.
After all, he does have his "standards" for the position trophy wife.
Melanie is getting old, getting fat (according to Donald's standards), and she has been taking fat too much attention away from Donald in the press.
All, a major no no for Donald.

So, who really knows what "candidate" Trump would do vs "president" Trump?
Once elected, does it even matter?
Once Trump's ego bursts it's bubble, the money shot, the grand prize, then what Donald decodes after that and how Donald does after that is totally up to president Donald Trump.
Republicans will not natter, surely you and I will not matter, and what the world thinks will not matter.
How might candidate Trump compare to president Trump?
THAT is the BIG unknown.

PS.
In a time of urgency, a time of panic. people generally come together.
If a fire takes you neighbors house, you come to the rescue. You don't care of they are republican or democrat, black or white, Christian or Muslim.
Well.... same here.
If Donald Trump is president, I suspect both democrats AND republicans join together.
IN HORROR to save their very lives.

You realize none of that is on topic, right?
 

Jhhnn

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Dems are well aware that we have our work cut out for us. OTOH, Repubs are in complete disarray. When tasked with governing, they serve only the purposes of the financial elite at the expense of working people.

All their efforts are aimed at preserving & extending the advantages they've carved out over the last 35 years using whatever emotional issues they can find to garner votes. Restlessness among their voting blocks indicates that the faithful may not be faithful much longer. Witness Trump.
 

senseamp

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GOP is still peddling trickle down economics when it's a known failure.
It has alienated emerging large voting blocks to pander to decaying ones, and is facing a demographic train wreck.
It can only retain its advantages through voter suppression and gerrymander, but that hinges on whether they control SCOTUS.
Democrats are now the only party remaining that can govern this country.
 

UglyCasanova

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Repubs are in complete disarray. When tasked with governing, they serve only the purposes of the financial elite at the expense of working people.


Which is why no executives were held accountable for the financial crisis by the Obama administration or why Hillary won't release the transcripts of her paid Golman Sachs speeches, right?
 

ivwshane

Lifer
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Which is why no executives were held accountable for the financial crisis by the Obama administration or why Hillary won't release the transcripts of her paid Golman Sachs speeches, right?

I'm not sure what transcripts to a private event have anything to do with anything. I certainly don't see you asking for transcripts to the speeches she gave to non financial relate businesses.

I'm also not sure what the presidency has to do with the DOJ and FBI in relation to filling charges against financial institutions, are you under the impression that the president dictates such action? Do you have any supporting facts on that?
 

UglyCasanova

Lifer
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Just a private event huh? No relation whatsoever to his assertion that it is only the repubs in the pockets of the financial elite?
 

ivwshane

Lifer
May 15, 2000
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Just a private event huh? No relation whatsoever to his assertion that it is only the repubs in the pockets of the financial elite?

His assertion was that only the repubs are in the pockets of the financial elite? I suggest you re read his post and see if you can find that "assertion".
 

rudder

Lifer
Nov 9, 2000
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GOP is still peddling trickle down economics when it's a known failure.
It has alienated emerging large voting blocks to pander to decaying ones, and is facing a demographic train wreck.
It can only retain its advantages through voter suppression and gerrymander, but that hinges on whether they control SCOTUS.
Democrats are now the only party remaining that can govern this country.

If the democrats can succeed in Detroit... there is absolutely no reason the dems at the federal level can copy those successes. We really need HIllary to double the national debt one more time and continue obama's legacy.... only then will American be the great American powerhouse it once was.
 

MongGrel

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If the democrats can succeed in Detroit... there is absolutely no reason the dems at the federal level can copy those successes. We really need HIllary to double the national debt one more time and continue obama's legacy.... only then will American be the great American powerhouse it once was.

I just popped in to see what baby man was posting when I saw his name on the end of the list.

The usual blithering, nothing that added anything to the conversation.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...s_57e53a55e4b0e28b2b536a08?dwnk0v9v01wyst6gvi
 

agent00f

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Jun 9, 2016
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Wow, your post was impressive, but this really takes the cake.

What if I told you that somebody studied a bunch of police shootings in the country and found that, per encounter, blacks were less likely to be shot than white. What if I told you the person who ran the study was black and this was from harvard. What if I told you that with great frequency now any time a black person is shot by a cop millions of people assume it was an illegitimate shooting--particularly if the cop was white. What if I told you complaining about a legitimate shooting, and subsequently rioting and looting over it, is given a wink and a nod from one of the parties. And if that party wasn't the one you're demonizing?

These threads are basically rationalization for why black are criminals and deserve to be the underclass. It's what american conservatism has to tell itself in lieu of what they said publicly in the 60's and before.
 

dank69

Lifer
Oct 6, 2009
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Wow, your post was impressive, but this really takes the cake.

What if I told you that somebody studied a bunch of police shootings in the country and found that, per encounter, blacks were less likely to be shot than white. What if I told you the person who ran the study was black and this was from harvard. What if I told you that with great frequency now any time a black person is shot by a cop millions of people assume it was an illegitimate shooting--particularly if the cop was white. What if I told you complaining about a legitimate shooting, and subsequently rioting and looting over it, is given a wink and a nod from one of the parties. And if that party wasn't the one you're demonizing?
What if I told you that nobody mentioned cops before your post?
 
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