Democrats Ask for Relief from ACA

piasabird

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Now the Democrats are crying about how bad the penalties and subsidy overpayments are for their constituents. I say make them suffer or repeal the ACA or Obama Care.

http://news.yahoo.com/apnewsbreak-democrats-seek-relief-health-080314080.html

Read some of the comments on this article and you will see what the country really thinks about Obama Care.

You democrats made up all these stupid laws up about ACA and now you are crying about it. Suffer the consequences or revoke the law.
 
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berzerker60

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It's not "the Democrats," it's "some Democrats," as in like 2 guys. And they're basically just pandering, and their constituents should absolutely pay the penalty for not having signed up for insurance. This is a non-story.
 

DCal430

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Now the Democrats are crying about how bad the penalties and subsidy overpayments are for their constituents. I say make them suffer or repeal the ACA or Obama Care.

http://news.yahoo.com/apnewsbreak-democrats-seek-relief-health-080314080.html

Read some of the comments on this article and you will see what the country really thinks about Obama Care.

You democrats made up all these stupid laws up about ACA and now you are crying about it. Suffer the consequences or revoke the law.

Repeal ACA and the Medicaid expansion and go back to when people who be diagnosed with cancer, lose their jobs, and lose any health benefits they had. People died because of shit like this before ACA and the Medicaid expansion.

Sadly in some states without the expansion people are still losing all health coverage after being removed from their job for being diagnosed with cancer.
 

DCal430

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A lot of people are being hit with the penalty due to the family loop hole. Republicans refuse to help fix this, and are screwing the middle class over. Basically if your spouse doesn't work, but your job doesn't offer health benefits to them too, they don't qualify for any subsidy and are still required to obtain health coverage.
 

DCal430

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People who are poor don't qualify for subsidy and people who spouses work, but their spouses insurance doesn't cover them, also don't qualify for subsidy.
 

sportage

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Like I said before and will keep saying over and over again...

JUST BUY THE DAMN INSURANCE, deadbeat.
 

DCal430

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Republicans have made it very clear, those who are poor, disabled, and in need should die. Their bodies should be walked all over by the rich.
 
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A lot of people are being hit with the penalty due to the family loop hole. Republicans refuse to help fix this, and are screwing the middle class over. Basically if your spouse doesn't work, but your job doesn't offer health benefits to them too, they don't qualify for any subsidy and are still required to obtain health coverage.
Democrats passed this bill despite extremely strong objections from Republicans...yet Republicans are now expected to fix it? I imagine that Republicans will be open to changes if Democrats are willing to compromise on other issues. LOL...fat chance.
 

Matt1970

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Democrats passed this bill despite extremely strong objections from Republicans...yet Republicans are now expected to fix it? I imagine that Republicans will be open to changes if Democrats are willing to compromise on other issues. LOL...fat chance.

We had to pass it to see what was in it. I don't remember much of any talk about states having to kick in and expand Medicaid till after it was passed.
 

berzerker60

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Democrats passed this bill despite extremely strong objections from Republicans...yet Republicans are now expected to fix it? I imagine that Republicans will be open to changes if Democrats are willing to compromise on other issues. LOL...fat chance.

Yeah, everyone knows that partisan 'victories' are more important than the good of the citizens of the United States of America, good point
 
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Yeah, everyone knows that partisan 'victories' are more important than the good of the citizens of the United States of America, good point
Many Republicans think repeal of ACA is for the good of the country...imagine that! Democrats got their partisan victory by getting their shitty bill passed by hook and crook. Now that they've made their bed....the crybabies need to lie in it. As an alternative, Democrats might have to compromise if they want to fix their shitty bill...let's see them set a good example on how the minority party is supposed to behave. So far, Republican leadership in the Senate is at least allowing amendments which is something they've been denied for a long, long time.
 
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Matt1970

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My favorite was all the regulations placed on healthcare and then the democrat created insurance Co-ops complaining that regulations made a difficult operating environment.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/merrill...acare-co-ops-are-underwater-and-sinking-fast/

Lulzy. Only "other stupid people" are supposed to be helped by the democrats plans, so why such an all-encompassing plan? They don't even like their own ideas? Lol.

And when the ACA becomes the big steaming pile of horse crap that it is, besides the couple good things it has in it, they will either claim Repubs wouldn't work with us to fix it or it was originally their idea to begin with.
 

nickqt

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And when the ACA becomes the big steaming pile of horse crap that it is, besides the couple good things it has in it, they will either claim Repubs wouldn't work with us to fix it or it was originally their idea to begin with.

Don't hold your breath.
 

Jhhnn

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Democrats passed this bill despite extremely strong objections from Republicans...yet Republicans are now expected to fix it? I imagine that Republicans will be open to changes if Democrats are willing to compromise on other issues. LOL...fat chance.

As if the previous system worked better. Obviously, it did not. Let's not pretend, OK?

And let's not pretend that Repubs have offered any sort of comprehensive plan as a reasonable alternative, either. They clearly intend to exploit flaws in the ACA just to spread their usual hate & discontent. Fix it? What in Repubs' radical agenda would lead anybody to believe that they would do so?

There are lots of things Repubs have left behind for Dems to fix. It's remarkable how quickly Righties want to forget that the outgoing Prez & VP were notoriously absent from the 2008 Repub convention in the wake of the Ownership Society looting spree. Few seem to remember the complete reversal of a hands off policy towards finance that brought about the all too necessary bailout. It's also remarkable how they seem to be able to forget how we ended up in Iraq & Afghainstan, too, and how the national debt was doubled over the Bush years.

Whatever issues with the ACA that emerge after the fearmongering slips away to reveal reality will be very small potatoes in comparison. There's been a whole lot of raving & fearmongering all along that didn't turn out to be true at all. Remember Death Panels? I doubt that this will turn out much different.

What really happens is that the Repub faithful are kept nicely emotional & off balance by waves of most excellent propaganda fanning the embers of discontent in the wrong direction. Nobody likes to admit that they've been suckered, making the whole process easier. Suckered by what? By 35 years of Repub policy that's radically shifted wealth & income to the top, debt to the bottom with middle class jobs & opportunity down the shitter in the process. That reality is more than they can bear to face head on.
 
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As if the previous system worked better. Obviously, it did not. Let's not pretend, OK?

And let's not pretend that Repubs have offered any sort of comprehensive plan as a reasonable alternative, either. They clearly intend to exploit flaws in the ACA just to spread their usual hate & discontent. Fix it? What in Repubs' radical agenda would lead anybody to believe that they would do so?

There are lots of things Repubs have left behind for Dems to fix. It's remarkable how quickly Righties want to forget that the outgoing Prez & VP were notoriously absent from the 2008 Repub convention in the wake of the Ownership Society looting spree. Few seem to remember the complete reversal of a hands off policy towards finance that brought about the all too necessary bailout. It's also remarkable how they seem to be able to forget how we ended up in Iraq & Afghainstan, too, and how the national debt was doubled over the Bush years.

Whatever issues with the ACA that emerge after the fearmongering slips away to reveal reality will be very small potatoes in comparison. There's been a whole lot of raving & fearmongering all along that didn't turn out to be true at all. Remember Death Panels? I doubt that this will turn out much different.

What really happens is that the Repub faithful are kept nicely emotional & off balance by waves of most excellent propaganda fanning the embers of discontent in the wrong direction. Nobody likes to admit that they've been suckered, making the whole process easier. Suckered by what? By 35 years of Repub policy that's radically shifted wealth & income to the top, debt to the bottom with middle class jobs & opportunity down the shitter in the process. That reality is more than they can bear to face head on.
Republicans offered many reasonable alternatives and were very willing to compromise which you apparently don't recall as a result of your highly selective memory. So now it's their fault that the bill sucks and your framing these problems as Republicans exploiting ACA's flaws? Wow...that's rich. Democrats caused these problems in the first place by passing a really shitty bill without a care as to what was in it. Republicans didn't like the mandate penalties from the get go....but now they should somehow now be blamed in your simple, simple mind? WTF is wrong with you? Fucking idiot.
 
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Jhhnn

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Republicans offered many reasonable alternatives and were very willing to compromise which you apparently don't recall as a result of your highly selective memory. So now it's their fault that the bill sucks and your framing these problems as Republicans exploiting ACA's flaws? Wow...that's rich. Democrats caused these problems in the first place by passing a really shitty bill without a care as to what was in it. Republicans didn't like the mandate penalties from the get go....but now they should somehow now be blamed in your simple, simple mind? WTF is wrong with you? Fucking idiot.

Lashing out in denial, of course, snarling in rage from that burrow.

Did you also forget that Repub leaders said they intended to make the ACA into Obama's Waterloo, regardless of the consequences to the Country?

Are you claiming that they actually offered constructive input in that context? Really?

Are you really that delusional?
 
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Lashing out in denial, of course, snarling in rage from that burrow.

Did you also forget that Repub leaders said they intended to make the ACA into Obama's Waterloo, regardless of the consequences to the Country?

Are you claiming that they actually offered constructive input in that context? Really?

Are you really that delusional?
You're a moron and too fucking stupid to realize it. This is a huge problem DEMOCRATS created...it's their fucking bill and they need to own it instead of blaming others for their abject stupidity.
 

nickqt

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You're a moron and too fucking stupid to realize it. This is a huge problem DEMOCRATS created...it's their fucking bill and they need to own it instead of blaming others for their abject stupidity.

What huge problem?

The website not working? Or the DeathPanels™ out and about hunting down fetuses and grandmothers?
 

Matt1970

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And when the ACA becomes the big steaming pile of horse crap that it is, besides the couple good things it has in it, they will either claim Repubs wouldn't work with us to fix it or it was originally their idea to begin with.

Don't hold your breath.

I guess it would depend on when you decide is enough steam.

Keep your doctor? X
Keep your insurance? X
Save the average American $2500? X
 

nickqt

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So, let me get this straight.

Every American was forced from using their previous doctor? In your reality, check.

Every American was forced from using their company's insurance policy that they liked? In your reality, check.

Where does someone sign up for your reality, because I'm living in a totally different one from you.
 

OverVolt

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So, let me get this straight.

Every American was forced from using their previous doctor? In your reality, check.

Every American was forced from using their company's insurance policy that they liked? In your reality, check.

Where does someone sign up for your reality, because I'm living in a totally different one from you.

It doesn't affect those with employer insurance, yet.


So you haven't experience the gift that keeps on giving like I have in the individual market.

There are provider networks to the sick, that are so bad, its a 5.5 hour drive to see a specialist, and you pay coinsurance.

But hay! Insurance!
 
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