Democrats Prevail in Blocking Senate Vote on Bush Nominee

rjain

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The only positive thing I can see about this guy is that he is smart. That's also the only positive thing people have to say about the leaders of Enron...

("Good jugde" is hardly an objective criterion, so I'll choose to ignore that in the absence of supporting evidence.)
 

BaliBabyDoc

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Senator Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, a freshman Republican, appeared near tears on Oct. 2 as he accused Democrats of irresponsibly tarring Judge Pickering with the "worst possible epithet for a Southern white man," a racist.

Hmm, I've lived in the South my entire the life . . . I can think of several epithets far more severe than racist. First word rhymes with "digger" and second word is a derivation of :heart:.

 

drewshin

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if you dont like the way our government works, maybe you shouldn't be living here. oops heh heh im sounding like a republican now.
 

konichiwa

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Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
Senator Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, a freshman Republican, appeared near tears on Oct. 2 as he accused Democrats of irresponsibly tarring Judge Pickering with the "worst possible epithet for a Southern white man," a racist.

Hmm, I've lived in the South my entire the life . . . I can think of several epithets far more severe than racist. First word rhymes with "digger"

"southern white man"
 

TheBoyBlunder

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Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Democrats Prevail in Blocking Senate Vote on Bush Nominee

Who here thinks that the Republicans should FORCE them to filibuster instead of allowing them to play this little patsy game of stonewall/bluff.

CkG

Edit - I thought Frist was going to get tough this week. Hopefully he's got things in the works because this is just absolutely ridiculous.

Who conveniently forgot the Republicans did the exact same thing when Clinton was in office?
 

LunarRay

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We need folks who are and have displayed a professional history of moderate decision making in the Court. Not right or left leaning or falling judges. We can vote out the Congress and the Executive but for a lifetime we have to deal with Federal Judges. They for the most part get appointed to state judgeships by partisan politicians and the same in the Federal Court. Maybe we need electing them to life positions and have the recall potential to rid the nation of staunch defenders of yesterday or judicial movement of society to their ideology.
 

ElFenix

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Originally posted by: LunarRay
We need folks who are and have displayed a professional history of moderate decision making in the Court. Not right or left leaning or falling judges. We can vote out the Congress and the Executive but for a lifetime we have to deal with Federal Judges. They for the most part get appointed to state judgeships by partisan politicians and the same in the Federal Court. Maybe we need electing them to life positions and have the recall potential to rid the nation of staunch defenders of yesterday or judicial movement of society to their ideology.

you'd have a boring judiciary if that were so
 

DoubleL

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I think slick willy got something like 80 percent of his nominees and the most of them was just to cover his a++, The democrats said they would block any one Bush tries to put in front of them and they have done it, Makes no diff. if it is good for the country or not, I didn't like the flag burner but I sure didn't want to see our soldiers die and people lose their jobs just to make my party look good, The democrats are very sick people, I don't know how I use to be one
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: TheBoyBlunder
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Democrats Prevail in Blocking Senate Vote on Bush Nominee

Who here thinks that the Republicans should FORCE them to filibuster instead of allowing them to play this little patsy game of stonewall/bluff.

CkG

Edit - I thought Frist was going to get tough this week. Hopefully he's got things in the works because this is just absolutely ridiculous.

Who conveniently forgot the Republicans did the exact same thing when Clinton was in office?

Nobody Did Clinton have a Democrat majority for his confirmations?

So two wrongs make a right? <- famous liberal saying here on the boards

Anyway, the point of all this is that judges are supposed to be confirmed with a simple majority which Republicans have - but the Democrats are bluffing a filibuster which takes 60 to break. My problem is mainly that the Republicans have allowed this to go on for too long without making the Democrats actually perform a filibuster.
Come on - grow some nuts Frist!!!

CkG
 

Witling

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I was talking with my Republican son-in-law today. I was stunned to find out he thought none of GWB's judges have been confirmed. Any guesses at how many had been confirmed by October 28, 2003: 167. Senate Judiciary Committee. This obstructionism dog won't hunt.

Here's the concluding paragraph from a scholarly paper on federal judicial appointments.

"Political expediency explains many of the actions of participants in the judicial-appointment process. At various times both liberals and conservatives have supported strict scrutiny of judicial nominees and decried judicial activism. The conservatives? rallying cry against judicial activism at the start of the twenty-first century is exactly the same rallying cry used by liberals in the 1920s and ?30s decrying the judicial activism of conservative judges who read economic rights into the constitution. [120] Democrats supported the borking of nominees when Reagan was president, but urged a kinder, gentler treatment of nominees when Clinton was in office. Republicans embraced the confirmation slowdown of judicial nominees when Clinton was president, but condemned it when Bush became president. At root, the judicial appointment process is a political one: shaped by changing political dynamics and balances of power. As long as the balance of power remains divided, the process promises to be a contentious one." Report
 

DealMonkey

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We don't need any more activist judges in the federal appeals court. The democrats have every right to try and block his appointment.
 

DaiShan

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Originally posted by: LunarRay
We need folks who are and have displayed a professional history of moderate decision making in the Court. Not right or left leaning or falling judges. We can vote out the Congress and the Executive but for a lifetime we have to deal with Federal Judges. They for the most part get appointed to state judgeships by partisan politicians and the same in the Federal Court. Maybe we need electing them to life positions and have the recall potential to rid the nation of staunch defenders of yesterday or judicial movement of society to their ideology.

The judiciary cannot be bound to uphold the will of the public, they must be bound to follow the intent of the law. Holding judges accountable to the electorate would corrupt the system immeasurably imo.
 

Bigdude

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Clinton and his appointee's were a disaster for the Nation, Bush is well on his way to correcting that!
 

Witling

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Well, Bigdude. Thank you for that ever so elegant thread entry "I do." It helps explain the amount of thought you've given to the issue and your reasons for taking that stand. (By the way, that's sarcasm.) Apparently you reconsidered and thought that some minimal explanation might be illuminating. And your explanation is truly minimal. Just to chime in with what I think. I think that our national judiciary should be picked from mainstream people, regardless of which party holds the presidency.
 

DealMonkey

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The People For the American way oppose Pickering's confirmation. They lay out some pretty good reasons (IMO):

Linked

The nomination of Charles W. Pickering, Sr. of Mississippi to the United States Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit has generated significant controversy and concern. Last fall, Judge Pickering's confirmation was opposed by both the Mississippi NAACP and the Congressional Black Caucus because of his "career and record on civil rights." The National Abortion and Reproductive Rights Action League also opposed the nomination based on Pickering's "hostility to reproductive rights." On October 15, 2001, a number of other civil rights groups (including People For the American Way) expressed concern about the nomination, noting that several of Pickering's published opinions as a federal trial judge "suggest a hostility to civil and Constitutional rights." The letter also noted that the Fifth Circuit has the largest and most diverse minority population of any Circuit in the country, making the position to which Pickering has been nominated "a critical one for minorities and women."

Accordingly, People For the American Way has extensively reviewed the record of Judge Charles Pickering. We have been guided in that review by the criteria suggested by more than 200 law professors in a letter to the Senate Judiciary Committee in July, 2001. As these professors explained, no federal judicial nominee is presumptively entitled to confirmation. Because federal judicial appointments are for life and significantly affect the rights of all Americans, and because of the Senate's co-equal role with the President in the confirmation process, nominees must demonstrate that they meet the appropriate criteria. These criteria include an "exemplary record in the law," an "open mind to decision-making," a "commitment to protecting the rights of ordinary Americans," and a "record of commitment to the progress made on civil rights, women's rights and individual liberties."[1]

Based on these criteria, People For the American Way has concluded that we must oppose Judge Pickering's confirmation to the Fifth Circuit. Pickering's record, both before and after he became a judge, demonstrates insensitivity and hostility toward key principles protecting the civil and constitutional rights of minorities, women, and all Americans. He has been reversed on a number of occasions by conservative appellate court judges for disregarding controlling precedent on constitutional rights and for improperly denying people access to the courts. Elevating Pickering to a powerful appellate court position would give him enormous influence on the interpretation of statutory and constitutional provisions that safeguard the rights of all Americans. The Senate Judiciary Committee should reject his confirmation.

There's more discussion on the same site concerning Pickering's promotion of religion from the bench as well as some further detail about some of the other reasons he's being opposed.

Judge Pickering's Promotion of Religion From the Bench

Maybe this kind of crap plays well to Southerners, but the last thing the The United States Court Of Appeals For The Fifth Circuit needs is an activist judge, using the bench as his personal bully pulpit to push his radical right-wing agenda.
 

LilBlinbBlahIce

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So a bible toting fundy doesn't get the job. Good. And I love the following:
"Senator Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, a freshman Republican, appeared near tears"
Little bitch.
 
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