Democrats would rather fight than solve problems

[trenchfoot]

LOL, here we are as a nation stuck in a mud bog that the Repubs drove us into, all the while not complaining one iota when Bush was at the wheel stomping on the gas pedal driving us deeper and deeper into the bog.

And now, with Obama struggling to get us out of the muck the Repubs put us in, they're screaming about the Dems pushing back against the ramparts and trenches the Repubs have surrounded themselves with for the purpose of stifling any progress the Dems try to make in helping the economy recover.

AND, they're blaming Obama for not getting anything done, as if their intransigence and unwillingness to compromise had nothing to do with the miserable economic situation the middle class and the poor find themselves in.

Tragic comedy at its finest.

 

[JEDIYoda]

http://www.latimes.com/news/la-na-poll-economy-20110906,0,7564041.story

Not surprising that what's best for the country isn't as important to Democrats as forcing their own political beliefs on others.

Obama has already proven himself to be worse than Bush, and now Democrats want him to be even worse than he was before.

WoW...you really have no clue...

 

[woolfe9999]

Whatever a California poll says, several national polls have shown that GOP voters are less interested in compromise that dem voters, and the differences are rather dramatic. This is a rather self-defeating point for the right. Best not even bring it up. Example:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/144359/democrats-republicans-differ-views-compromise.aspx

Oh, and the OP's thread title is misleading and should be changed. It should read "California democrats..."

 

[William Gaatjes]

From a neutral observer (who's left leaning as far as American politics go, but centrist based on the rest of the developed world), both the democrats and republicans are equally guilty of not budging on their position. In terms of their platforms it looks appears like this to me:

Democrats: I want to spend unlimited money, and raise taxes
Republicans: I want to spend a shit ton of money, and lower taxes

Both seem to be keen on getting approximately the same deficit level, which is why the compromise always seems to end up there. Neither of the last two presidents made any actions that would lead me to believe they truly wanted a balanced budget.

Politically i share the same view as you. My opinion on the US politics ? It is also the same. Obama could not have done anything because of the old saying : "If you sell your soul, do not be surprised to be betrayed..." . Bush jr on the other hand, could have stayed in that kindergarten since september 2001 and it would not have made any difference...

 

[Ronstang]

Of course Democrats are going to take this position. They really have no choice since they live off the backs of those who actually produce.

 

[Darwin333]

Fine balance budget with equal cuts to poor people food and defense spending.

You cant cut poor people food enough to make it work.

99% of all politicians that say that want a balanced budget or anything close to a balanced budget are liars. The cold hard truth is to get there we would need large tax increases, significant cuts to entitlements as well as significant cuts in military spending. All 3 are required to get to a balanced budget and I haven't heard many politicians seriously advocate all 3. Hell the party that is supposedly pushing a balanced budget are completely opposed to 1, mostly opposed to another and would never significantly do the last.

The other side is just as bad but at least they aren't pushing a balanced budget agenda while opposing the things necessary for it. So.... we be fucked. The law of exponents is going to bite us in the ass, hard.

 

[Darwin333]

LOL, here we are as a nation stuck in a mud bog that the Repubs drove us into, all the while not complaining one iota when Bush was at the wheel stomping on the gas pedal driving us deeper and deeper into the bog.

And now, with Obama struggling to get us out of the muck the Repubs put us in, they're screaming about the Dems pushing back against the ramparts and trenches the Repubs have surrounded themselves with for the purpose of stifling any progress the Dems try to make in helping the economy recover.

AND, they're blaming Obama for not getting anything done, as if their intransigence and unwillingness to compromise had nothing to do with the miserable economic situation the middle class and the poor find themselves in.

Tragic comedy at its finest.

You do realize that Obama is extremely close to Bush when it comes to his policy decisions, especially in the area that you are currently discussing. Other than a few issues that have nothing to do with what you are talking about Obama is basically Bush 2.0. Hell he even has most of the same people in charge.

Face the facts, Obama has been purchased by the same people that Bush was.

 

[Throckmorton]

LOL, is this for real? Obama has been doing nothing but lying down and letting Republicans stomp on him for 3 years. That's not "solving problems", that's surrendering, and we're tired of it. I really don't think I'll vote for Obama in 2012.

 

[Ausm]

Not even close. Truth be known, he, Obama, is worse than Carter......and I didn't think that was even possible, but he managed it. That's about the only thing Obama has managed.

 

[Ausm]

http://www.latimes.com/news/la-na-poll-economy-20110906,0,7564041.story

Not surprising that what's best for the country isn't as important to Democrats as forcing their own political beliefs on others.

Obama has already proven himself to be worse than Bush, and now Democrats want him to be even worse than he was before.

LMAO what a fucking joke.

 

[woolfe9999]

LOL, is this for real? Obama has been doing nothing but lying down and letting Republicans stomp on him for 3 years. That's not "solving problems", that's surrendering, and we're tired of it. I really don't think I'll vote for Obama in 2012.

Then you may as well be voting for whatever loon comes out of the GOP primary.

 

[Ausm]

Then you may as well be voting for whatever loon comes out of the GOP primary.

:thumbsup::thumbsup:

You got that right brother which make this countries race to the bottom accelerate even faster.

 

[Jhhnn]

Then you may as well be voting for whatever loon comes out of the GOP primary.

Que the Paul-bots.

 

[shira]

My guess is that you lean to the left and are discomforted by the obvious fact that Democrats, at this time and at this place, are far more guilty of not compromising than Republicans are. There has to be some motive for your obvious blindness and it's usually one's ego.

My guess is that you are too stupid to recognize obvious when you see it, too stupid, of course by design. Most folk would be embarrassed to admit to such a profound lack of discernment.

Moonbeam, you're too patient and too gentle. It's pointless to waste time on a basket case. Just call this mental defective what he is - a fvcking moron - and move on.

 

[JSt0rm]

Moonbeam is slowly widdling him down

 

[Moonbeam]

When I look at the world with what I can muster of an open mind, I see folk who are as intelligent or more intelligent than I that believe all kinds of preposterous things, or things at least that seem preposterous to me. I have to conclude, therefore, that it isn't really IQ that differentiates people. It has to be some other quality and I think it's introspection, the capacity to understand one's self and see how, thereby, by analogy,ever body else operates. And I think it is this capacity for introspection that some folk have and some are obviously lacking that must depend on motivation. Some folk look at themselves because they must and some avoid self knowledge, presumably, I think, because they fear what they will find. Why one person comes out one way and another another, is harder to figure out. Maybe it's accidental, maybe environmental, maybe genetic, who can say for sure? So there may be no big virtue in being able to see vs being blind like some folk in this thread. But I am sure that those who see see who can see and those who are blind see nothing. I try, therefore, to help the blind to understand the one and only thing that could really help them, the first step they will need to take to developing any real vision and that is the fact that they are, without their every having know it, that they are, that is, blind. So Fear No Evil isn't really a simpering idiot like he appears to be, but is actually unable to see himself as he is and has no internal shame, no sense of how whacked he looks to others, and no need to push from within to evolve. He's happy to be the dumb fuck he shows himself to be. It is a completely robotic and natural reaction to being blind I think. Beating up on the blind isn't going to make them see. They have to find something within that loves knowledge and impartiality. I can suggest and hold up a mirror, but that's about all I can do. All people more conscious than FNE are forced to suffer knowing such sad people occupy the same world as we do. And glory be, what a blessing the ignorant have no idea what an embarrassment they are to the rest of the human race.

 

[Fear No Evil]

When I look at the world with what I can muster of an open mind, I see folk who are as intelligent or more intelligent than I that believe all kinds of preposterous things, or things at least that seem preposterous to me. I have to conclude, therefore, that it isn't really IQ that differentiates people. It has to be some other quality and I think it's introspection, the capacity to understand one's self and see how, thereby, by analogy,ever body else operates. And I think it is this capacity for introspection that some folk have and some are obviously lacking that must depend on motivation. Some folk look at themselves because they must and some avoid self knowledge, presumably, I think, because they fear what they will find. Why one person comes out one way and another another, is harder to figure out. Maybe it's accidental, maybe environmental, maybe genetic, who can say for sure? So there may be no big virtue in being able to see vs being blind like some folk in this thread. But I am sure that those who see see who can see and those who are blind see nothing. I try, therefore, to help the blind to understand the one and only thing that could really help them, the first step they will need to take to developing any real vision and that is the fact that they are, without their every having know it, that they are, that is, blind. So Fear No Evil isn't really a simpering idiot like he appears to be, but is actually unable to see himself as he is and has no internal shame, no sense of how whacked he looks to others, and no need to push from within to evolve. He's happy to be the dumb fuck he shows himself to be. It is a completely robotic and natural reaction to being blind I think. Beating up on the blind isn't going to make them see. They have to find something within that loves knowledge and impartiality. I can suggest and hold up a mirror, but that's about all I can do. All people more conscious than FNE are forced to suffer knowing such sad people occupy the same world as we do. And glory be, what a blessing the ignorant have no idea what an embarrassment they are to the rest of the human race.

You might take over Red's man crush for me. Can we hug it out? :wub:

 

[shira]

When I look at the world with what I can muster of an open mind, I see folk who are as intelligent or more intelligent than I that believe all kinds of preposterous things, or things at least that seem preposterous to me. I have to conclude, therefore, that it isn't really IQ that differentiates people. It has to be some other quality and I think it's introspection, the capacity to understand one's self and see how, thereby, by analogy,ever body else operates. And I think it is this capacity for introspection that some folk have and some are obviously lacking that must depend on motivation. Some folk look at themselves because they must and some avoid self knowledge, presumably, I think, because they fear what they will find. Why one person comes out one way and another another, is harder to figure out. Maybe it's accidental, maybe environmental, maybe genetic, who can say for sure? So there may be no big virtue in being able to see vs being blind like some folk in this thread. But I am sure that those who see see who can see and those who are blind see nothing. I try, therefore, to help the blind to understand the one and only thing that could really help them, the first step they will need to take to developing any real vision and that is the fact that they are, without their every having know it, that they are, that is, blind. So Fear No Evil isn't really a simpering idiot like he appears to be, but is actually unable to see himself as he is and has no internal shame, no sense of how whacked he looks to others, and no need to push from within to evolve. He's happy to be the dumb fuck he shows himself to be. It is a completely robotic and natural reaction to being blind I think. Beating up on the blind isn't going to make them see. They have to find something within that loves knowledge and impartiality. I can suggest and hold up a mirror, but that's about all I can do. All people more conscious than FNE are forced to suffer knowing such sad people occupy the same world as we do. And glory be, what a blessing the ignorant have no idea what an embarrassment they are to the rest of the human race.

The bolded portions of your text constitute an excellent definition of the term "fvcking moron."

 

[ProfJohn]

Why do people act like compromise is all important??

I want to drive over the cliff at 50 MPH.
You don't want to drive over the cliff at all.

Let's compromise and go over at 25 MPG....

 

[shira]

Why do people act like compromise is all important??

I want to drive over the cliff at 50 MPH.
You don't want to drive over the cliff at all.

Let's compromise and go over at 25 MPG....

I want to congratulate you on coming up with an analogy that perfectly captures what's going on in Congress. Because everyone knows that raising tax tax revenues is the financial equivalent to driving off a cliff. And everyone knows this because we have abundant data that establishes this relationship.

Oh, wait . . . .

 

[ProfJohn]

Government spending IS a form of taxation because you have to pay for all spending/borrowing sooner or later.

Spending/borrowing is at an ALL time high.

Are you suggesting that the problem is that we aren't spending enough?


Please define what enough would be?

BTW if spending is the solution then why did the economy take off in the 90s when spending was cut?

 

[Matt1970]

You all can say anything you want, but when the Dems wouldn't even accept $66 Billion in cuts off a $1.4 Trillion Deficit, who is it that won't compromise?

 

[Lithium381]

the left is much more abrasive and deceitful in their comments but all the politicians need to pound sand

 

[matt0611]

I really don't get why people want the federal government to over extend itself.

That is the reason why we are having all of these problems.
The federal government is trying to homogenize all of the states.
That isn't what American was designed for.

Not sure why anyone on either side of the isle would want the federal government homogenizing the states but sadly we have a lot in D.C.

The left is all about centralizing power, why? its hard to turn the US into their socialist democrat utopia if they don't...

 

[Engineer]

BTW if spending is the solution then why did the economy take off in the 90s when spending was cut?

404 - Spending cuts not found.