Dems and taxes

[Phynaz]

Why is it every time a Democratic political candidate opens his or her mouth the first thing out of it is talk of raising taxes?

 

[ChrisFromNJ]

Why is it that every time a Republican political candidate opens his or her mouth, the first thing out of it is talk of lowering taxes without any respect for fiscal responsibility?

Obama wants to raise taxes on the rich. He plans to implement a middle class tax cut that will keep more money in the hands of the middle class than making the Bush tax cuts permanent would.

 

[UberNeuman]

and that's the end of this thread....

 

[SleepWalkerX]

Originally posted by: Phynaz
Why is it every time a Democratic political candidate opens his or her mouth the first thing out of it is talk of raising taxes?

Wow what a precise and thought provoking question. It looked like it was going to be another stupid stereotypical blanket statement to provide us with another worthless flamebait thread to contribute to the below standard quality of discussions started in P&N.

Thanks Phynaz!

 

[DonaldC]

Originally posted by: ChrisFromNJ
Why is it that every time a Republican political candidate opens his or her mouth, the first thing out of it is talk of lowering taxes without any respect for fiscal responsibility?

Obama wants to raise taxes on the rich. He plans to implement a middle class tax cut that will keep more money in the hands of the middle class than making the Bush tax cuts permanent would.

How much did you get paid for that post? Or are you salaried?

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: ChrisFromNJ
Why is it that every time a Republican political candidate opens his or her mouth, the first thing out of it is talk of lowering taxes without any respect for fiscal responsibility?

Obama wants to raise taxes on the rich. He plans to implement a middle class tax cut that will keep more money in the hands of the middle class than making the Bush tax cuts permanent would.

Because by far most of our tax money goes to responsibilities the government shouldnt have?

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: Phynaz
Why is it every time a Democratic political candidate opens his or her mouth the first thing out of it is talk of raising taxes?

Why are you voting for the Republicans who have shot up our spending so that we have to raise taxes to pay off the debt, instead of the budget balancing party?

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: Phynaz
Why is it every time a Democratic political candidate opens his or her mouth the first thing out of it is talk of raising taxes?

Why are you voting for the Republicans who have shot up our spending so that we have to raise taxes to pay off the debt, instead of the budget balancing party?

Ahh, ignorance of history. Wonderful. Well done Craig. Theres that blind partisanship shining through. "MY party doesnt spend..."

Uh huh.

 

[ChrisFromNJ]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: Phynaz
Why is it every time a Democratic political candidate opens his or her mouth the first thing out of it is talk of raising taxes?

Why are you voting for the Republicans who have shot up our spending so that we have to raise taxes to pay off the debt, instead of the budget balancing party?

Ahh, ignorance of history. Wonderful. Well done Craig. Theres that blind partisanship shining through. "MY party doesnt spend..."

Uh huh.

Who was the last president to balance the budget?

Who were the last 3 presidents not to balance the budget? What party did they belong to?

 

[ChrisFromNJ]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: ChrisFromNJ
Why is it that every time a Republican political candidate opens his or her mouth, the first thing out of it is talk of lowering taxes without any respect for fiscal responsibility?

Obama wants to raise taxes on the rich. He plans to implement a middle class tax cut that will keep more money in the hands of the middle class than making the Bush tax cuts permanent would.

Because by far most of our tax money goes to responsibilities the government shouldnt have?

What does that have to do with irresponsible tax cuts?

Make the spending and program cuts if you'd like, but don't implement irresponsible tax cus that you have no plans to pay for while you are in office.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: ChrisFromNJ

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: Phynaz
Why is it every time a Democratic political candidate opens his or her mouth the first thing out of it is talk of raising taxes?

Why are you voting for the Republicans who have shot up our spending so that we have to raise taxes to pay off the debt, instead of the budget balancing party?

Ahh, ignorance of history. Wonderful. Well done Craig. Theres that blind partisanship shining through. "MY party doesnt spend..."

Uh huh.

Who was the last president to balance the budget?

Who were the last 3 presidents not to balance the budget? What party did they belong to?

As much as you guys like to spew bullshit, look at the total federal debt. Only 1 month out of all that time did Clinton NOT have an increase in the overall debt.

"Balance the budget" my ass. 1 month....THATS IT.

Admittedly, he did slow the increase of the debt but shit, in the big picture that means fuck all.

Perhaps you should look up the historical timeline of the federal debt.

edit

Admittedly, Bush has hit the "Turbo" button on the debt. I wont argue that one bit. But 2 wrongs dont make a right.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: ChrisFromNJ

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: ChrisFromNJ
Why is it that every time a Republican political candidate opens his or her mouth, the first thing out of it is talk of lowering taxes without any respect for fiscal responsibility?

Obama wants to raise taxes on the rich. He plans to implement a middle class tax cut that will keep more money in the hands of the middle class than making the Bush tax cuts permanent would.

Because by far most of our tax money goes to responsibilities the government shouldnt have?

What does that have to do with irresponsible tax cuts?

Make the spending and program cuts if you'd like, but don't implement irresponsible tax cus that you have no plans to pay for while you are in office.

Simply put, if you cut all these bullshit expenditures that are not the responsibility of the feds you would literally solve our budget problems overnight.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: Phynaz
Why is it every time a Democratic political candidate opens his or her mouth the first thing out of it is talk of raising taxes?

Why are you voting for the Republicans who have shot up our spending so that we have to raise taxes to pay off the debt, instead of the budget balancing party?

Ahh, ignorance of history. Wonderful. Well done Craig. Theres that blind partisanship shining through. "MY party doesnt spend..."

Uh huh.

Your attack of 'ignorance of history' could serve a purpose if you backed it up with facts and substance, but you can't, leaving you look like the loudmouth you are.

Let's consider history, in a very brief summary:

US History 1789 - 1980: small to moderate deficits, outside of war
1981-1992: Republicans skyrocket the debt
1993-2000: Democrat reduces the deficit every year and eliminates it
2001-2008: Republican skyrockets the deficit back up to very high levels

Historically, the government frowned on debt. In the liberal era from FDR to LBJ, Keynesian economics took hold and deficits were used as tools.

In 1981, the corrupt Republicans discovered the magic that having the public convinved you were a small spender, letting you politically get away with the benefits of huge borrowing to get money for all the nice little things you wanted, and we had Republicans talksing small and spending big while convincing the public Democrats were the big spenders. Neat trick until Clinton came along.

Blind partisanship is a phrase you have probably heard used about you quite a bit, but it's not for parroting towards anyone who has corrected your errors, like a child.

For what it's worth, Dems are far from perfect. They're just far better than Republicans.

I don't tend to talk to people who are both ignorant and loudmouths. Do better if you want a response to another post.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Craig234
1993-2000: Democrat reduces the deficit every year and eliminates it

Damn straight.

And we should give credit where credit is due. So, a big "thank you" to Microsoft, Intel, Dell, and the internet. We couldn't have done it with you! :beer: :thumbsup:

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: Specop 007


Admittedly, Bush has hit the "Turbo" button on the debt. I wont argue that one bit. But 2 wrongs dont make a right.

Bingo, they sure don't.

Bush, combined with 6 years of GOP Congressional control and 1.5 years of Dem Congressional contol has raised the debt from 5.6 trillion to 9.5 trillion and that doesn't include the huge pork stimulus package (yet) nor the second stimulus package they are considering.

Also, Bush and company has increased the size of the Federal government to new historical numbers and has passed new social programs like the Medicare Porkscription Drug bill which does more for big pharma than grandma and grandpa.

Sure, both might be wrong....but Bush combined with GOP control = runaway government and spending as well as unadvised tax cuts (unadvised because of the rapid increase in debt as well as increase in spending).

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: Phynaz
Why is it every time a Democratic political candidate opens his or her mouth the first thing out of it is talk of raising taxes?

Why are you voting for the Republicans who have shot up our spending so that we have to raise taxes to pay off the debt, instead of the budget balancing party?

Obama doesn't speak of balancing the budget though.

He speaks of increasing taxes and increasing spending.

Aka Tax and Spend.

Check out his own fiscal web page link Not one mention of a balanced budget.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: Phynaz
Why is it every time a Democratic political candidate opens his or her mouth the first thing out of it is talk of raising taxes?

Why are you voting for the Republicans who have shot up our spending so that we have to raise taxes to pay off the debt, instead of the budget balancing party?

Obama doesn't speak of balancing the budget though.

He speaks of increasing taxes and increasing spending.

Aka Tax and Spend.

Check out his own fiscal web page link Not one mention of a balanced budget.

And your pal, McCain?

 

[ProfJohn]

check out this Obama statement from one of the debate

Q: Would it be a priority of your administration to balance the federal budget every year?
A: Over the last seven years, what we've seen is an economy that's out of balance because of the policies of George Bush and the Republicans in Congress. Not only do we have fiscal problems, but we've got growing inequality. People are working harder for less and they're seeing costs go up. So what I want to do is get the long-term fundamentals right. That means that we are investing in education & infrastructure, structuring fair trade deals, and also ending the war in Iraq. That is money that can be applied at home for critical issues.
Q: So a priority to balance the federal budget, or not?
A: We are not going to be able to dig ourselves out of that hole in 1 or 2 years. But if we can get on a path of sustained growth, end the war in Iraq, end some of the special interest loopholes and earmarks that have been clogging up the system, then I think we can return to a path of a balanced budget.

Someone should nail him down on when he thinks we can have a balanced budget again.

It is pathetic how you libs all bitch about Bush's over spending but ignore the fact that Obama plans to do the same.

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: Phynaz
Why is it every time a Democratic political candidate opens his or her mouth the first thing out of it is talk of raising taxes?

Why are you voting for the Republicans who have shot up our spending so that we have to raise taxes to pay off the debt, instead of the budget balancing party?

Obama doesn't speak of balancing the budget though.

He speaks of increasing taxes and increasing spending.

Aka Tax and Spend.

Check out his own fiscal web page link Not one mention of a balanced budget.

And your pal, McCain?

Glad you asked
Huffington Post no less

Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) plans to promise on Monday that he will balance the federal budget by the end of his first term by curbing wasteful spending and overhauling entitlement programs, including Social Security, his advisers told Politico.

So we have a clear choice.

Obama who has no plan to balance the budget or McCain who says he will balance it by the end of his term.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Glad you asked
Huffington Post no less

Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) plans to promise on Monday that he will balance the federal budget by the end of his first term by curbing wasteful spending and overhauling entitlement programs, including Social Security, his advisers told Politico.

So we have a clear choice.

Obama who has no plan to balance the budget or McCain who says he will balance it by the end of his term.

"Curbing wasteful spending" wouldn't put a dent in the budget. Unless, of course, he considers our venture in Iraq "wasteful spending." It is, but I'm sure he thinks differently.

But it doesn't matter at this point. McCain will lose.

The problem with the Republicans is they think they can be fiscal conservatives and maintain a neo-conservative foreign policy. Two beliefs which greatly contradict each other.

I'd like to know what he means by "overhauling entitlement programs, including Social Security."

 

[Vic]

McCain is going to cut taxes, increase spending, and balance the budget in his first term! Wow! Hell of a job for someone who doesn't know anything about economics!

:roll:

 

[ProfJohn]

All we have to do to balance the budget is control spending. That was the lesson of the 90s that we seem to have forgotten.

From 1993 to 2000 the budget increased by a total of $500 billion a year.
From 2000 to 2008 it will have increased by over a $1 trillion a year. if we had limited that growth just a bit, say $700 billion, we would have had balanced budgets for almost the entire time.

Also, a lot of you like to argue that Obama's expected increases in spending are ok because they will be domestic spending. Well Bush has increased domestic spending by $700 billion a year!!!! With that kind of increase you would think you Democrats would be loving Bush.

 

[Jhhnn]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: Phynaz
Why is it every time a Democratic political candidate opens his or her mouth the first thing out of it is talk of raising taxes?

Why are you voting for the Republicans who have shot up our spending so that we have to raise taxes to pay off the debt, instead of the budget balancing party?

Ahh, ignorance of history. Wonderful. Well done Craig. Theres that blind partisanship shining through. "MY party doesnt spend..."

Uh huh.

Please. the former repub congress and the bush whitehouse implemented an unprecedented program of spending and greed even as they cut taxes for america's wealthiest citizens. It's been the most incredible exercise in class warfare and associated looting in the history of the world. Total debt will have almost doubled when the bush admin is put out to pasture.

Despite all the rightwing raving about smaller govt, it's clear that the leadership of the right really wants bigger govt- they just don't want to pay for it...

 

[ProfJohn]

And what exactly do the Democrats want?

Bigger government and higher taxes?

 

[Legend]

Originally posted by: Phynaz
Why is it every time a Democratic political candidate opens his or her mouth the first thing out of it is talk of raising taxes?

Because raising taxes honestly, and using it to spend on domestic programs is a hell of a lot more honest and principled than lower taxes, killing thousands of people and creating hatred towards the US, and using the Federal Reserve to indirectly tax the country far more by creating money (which reduces the value of the dollar).

Bush and Reagan have spent far more than Clinton and Carter, and they couldn't have done it without Alan Greenspan or Bernanke.

I much prefer the fiscally conservative approach of Paul Volcker, whom was appointed by Carter.