Dems decide not to follow through on #1 campaign promise

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Maybe we should call them the "say anything" Dems? They aren't even in charge yet and they're already backtracking on their biggest campaign promise. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss... :disgust:

Democrats Reject Key 9/11 Panel Suggestion
Neither Party Has an Appetite for Overhauling Congressional Oversight of Intelligence

By Jonathan Weisman
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, November 30, 2006; A07



It was a solemn pledge, repeated by Democratic leaders and candidates over and over: If elected to the majority in Congress, Democrats would implement all of the recommendations of the bipartisan commission that examined the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.

But with control of Congress now secured, Democratic leaders have decided for now against implementing the one measure that would affect them most directly: a wholesale reorganization of Congress to improve oversight and funding of the nation's intelligence agencies. Instead, Democratic leaders may create a panel to look at the issue and produce recommendations, according to congressional aides and lawmakers.

Because plans for implementing the commission's recommendations are still fluid, Democratic officials would not speak for the record. But aides on the House and Senate appropriations, armed services and intelligence committees confirmed this week that a reorganization of Congress would not be part of the package of homeland-security changes up for passage in the "first 100 hours" of the Democratic Congress.

"I don't think that suggestion is going anywhere," said Rep. C.W. Bill Young (R-Fla.), the chairman of the Appropriations defense subcommittee and a close ally of the incoming subcommittee chairman, Rep. John P. Murtha (D-Pa.). "That is not going to be their party position."

It may seem like a minor matter, but members of the commission say Congress's failure to change itself is anything but inconsequential. In 2004, the commission urged Congress to grant the House and Senate intelligence committees the power not only to oversee the nation's intelligence agencies but also to fund them and shape intelligence policy. The intelligence committees' gains would come at the expense of the armed services committees and the appropriations panels' defense subcommittees. Powerful lawmakers on those panels would have to give up prized legislative turf.

But the commission was unequivocal about the need.

"Of all our recommendations, strengthening congressional oversight may be among the most difficult and important," the panel wrote. "So long as oversight is governed by current congressional rules and resolutions, we believe the American people will not get the security they want and need."

Now Democrats are balking, just as Republicans did before them.

The decision will almost certainly anger commission members, as well as families of victims of the Sept. 11 attacks, many of whom have pressed hard for implementation of the recommendations.

"The Democrats pledged to implement all the remaining 9/11 reforms, not some of them," said former representative Timothy J. Roemer (D-Ind.), who served on the commission.

Carie Lemack, whose mother was in one of the jets that hit the World Trade Center, echoed that sentiment: "It wasn't a Chinese takeout menu, the 41 recommendations. You have to do all of them."

Democratic leadership dust-ups this month severely limited the ability of House Speaker-elect Nancy Pelosi (Calif.) to implement the commission's recommendations, according to Democratic aides.

Pelosi strongly backed Murtha for House majority leader, only to see him soundly defeated by Rep. Steny H. Hoyer (Md.). That chain of events made it difficult for her to ask Murtha, a longtime ally, to relinquish control of the intelligence budget from his consolation prize, the chairmanship of the Appropriations defense subcommittee, according to Democratic sources.

Likewise, a controversy over the choice of a new chairman of the House intelligence committee proved to be a factor in the decision. The Sept. 11 commission urged Congress to do away with traditional term limits on the intelligence committees to preserve continuity and expertise, a recommendation the House implemented in 2003. But in her search for a reason to drop the committee's most senior Democrat, Jane Harman (Calif.), from the panel, Pelosi fell back on the tradition of term limits. She has decided to pass over the intelligence committee's second-ranking Democrat, Alcee L. Hastings (Fla.), as well.

To the Sept. 11 commission, the call for congressional overhaul was vital, said former New Jersey governor Thomas H. Kean (R), the commission's co-chairman. Because intelligence committee membership affords lawmakers access to classified information, only intelligence committee members can develop the expertise to watch over operations properly, he said. But because the panels do not control the budget, intelligence agencies tend to dismiss them.

"The person who controls your budget is the person you listen to," Kean said.

Those people, the appropriators, do not seem to care much, he said. The intelligence budget is a small fraction of the nearly $500 billion overseen by the armed services committees and the appropriations panels' defense subcommittees. Kean said that Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), an Armed Services Committee member, told the Sept. 11 commission that if his panel spends 10 minutes considering the intelligence budget, it has been a good year.

"We think this is extremely crucial," Kean said of a reorganization shifting budget authority to the intelligence committees. But, he added, there are "a lot of old bulls in both parties who just don't want to do it."

In 2004, the Senate tried to reach a compromise on the issue, proposing to create intelligence subcommittees under the House and Senate appropriations committees. The appropriators would maintain most of their power, but at least distinct panels would have to watch over intelligence spending.

The idea went nowhere in the House. To make it work, total spending on intelligence would have to be declassified, another commission recommendation that Congress has rejected. Besides, Young said, an intelligence subcommittee effectively exists in the form of the Appropriations defense subcommittee chairman and ranking member, who have taken serious interest in intelligence spending.

Democratic aides yesterday chose to talk up what they will do in the opening hours of the 110th Congress. Plans are not complete, but the incoming Democratic majority is likely to expand efforts to stop the proliferation of nuclear, chemical and biological weapons; ensure the interoperability of communications equipment so first responders can communicate more effectively; develop a comprehensive screening system for air cargo; and establish a civil-liberties board to protect the public against intelligence agencies expanding their reach.

So comittee chairmen are unwilling to give up appropriations power over intelligence agencies out of pure power politics. They are sacrificing our national security and bagging the #1 reccomendation of the 9/11 panel over personal ego. It just blows my mind. Why did anyone think things would be different under a Dem congress? Not that the Rs are any better on this issue but the Dems campaigned on this. This was a keystone of their national platform.

Typical... all promise and no follow through.


 

Craig234

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Typical... all promise and no follow through.

Typical.. a right-winger takes what may be one legitimate criticism and hugely misrepresents and exaggerates it. They may or may not have overstated their position on adopting this reform; but they're on track for pushing all the other several issues in their plan, and all the other parts of this one on the 9/11 recommendations.

That's part of one item out of a list of several - hardly 'all promise and no follow through'. If you had the ability to restrain yourself and make an accurate criticism, you could, but instead you make a hugely exaggerated claim that's mostly wrong.

Even the piece you cite, which may or may not be right, is quoting a republican about democratic plans.

Before this, the right was sure she was going to appoint Hastings who did wrong 25 years ago to chair the intelligence committee, and attacked over that. They were wrong.

Of course we saw that when everyone who made the attack admitted they were wrong. I just haven't yet seen one of those statements, as usual.
 

Genx87

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Instead, Democratic leaders may create a panel to look at the issue and produce recommendations, according to congressional aides and lawmakers.

Huh didnt we already do this with the 9-11 commission and the Senate Intelligence Committee?

btw this is no surprise and said this a few weeks ago. It will be funny watching all the lefties on here defend the democrats breaking their promises.

 

Vic

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This is only the first of what will be many. There is only 1 major political party in the US, with 2 separate marketing arms. One would hope the zealous fanbois would figure this out, but I'm afraid that's far too much to hope for. The Dems will no more follow through on their promises than Bush did with the promises he made with the religious nutjobs.
 
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Originally posted by: Craig234
Typical... all promise and no follow through.

Typical.. a right-winger takes what may be one legitimate criticism and hugely misrepresents and exaggerates it. They may or may not have overstated their position on adopting this reform; but they're on track for pushing all the other several issues in their plan, and all the other parts of this one on the 9/11 recommendations.

That's part of one item out of a list of several - hardly 'all promise and no follow through'. If you had the ability to restrain yourself and make an accurate criticism, you could, but instead you make a hugely exaggerated claim that's mostly wrong.

Even the piece you cite, which may or may not be right, is quoting a republican about democratic plans.

Before this, the right was sure she was going to appoint Hastings who did wrong 25 years ago to chair the intelligence committee, and attacked over that. They were wrong.

Of course we saw that when everyone who made the attack admitted they were wrong. I just haven't yet seen one of those statements, as usual.

I'm sorry... wasn't the Dems' biggest campaign promise to implement ALL of the 9/11 panel's recommendations? Did I hear that right? Or was I on drugs during the whole campaign? And wasn't the #1 recommendation of the panel to restructure the committees in congress? I think I read that somewhere too. And don't most of the 9/11 recommendations need that to happen first in order for the others to work?

It states fairly clearly in the link that the intelligence organizations pay little attention to the recommendations of the intelligence committees because they don't hold the purse strings. They listen to the people who control the money. And that ain't the intelligence committees.

A has to happen before B can happen. This is a big deal.

Now what we have is this important issue being shelved over ego. Pure ego. God forbid these chairmen give up some of their power for the security of the nation.

But oh yeah... We're going to get that minimum wage increase. Yippie. Nice to see they are working on the really important stuff.
 

Genx87

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But oh yeah... We're going to get that minimum wage increase. Yippie. Nice to see they are working on the really important stuff.

It is to small business, they are holding their budgets waiting to see if they need to replace their cashiers, packers, delivery people ect with machines.

 

Todd33

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#1?

Oh wait, there is no #1, they didn't rank their first 100 hours. While it is disturbing that they want to skip this step, they are still planning on following through on dozens of others 911 commission recommendations. So is the OT title bad? Yep, misleading and over dramatic like a little girl.

Plans are not complete, but the incoming Democratic majority is likely to expand efforts to stop the proliferation of nuclear, chemical and biological weapons; ensure the interoperability of communications equipment so first responders can communicate more effectively; develop a comprehensive screening system for air cargo; and establish a civil-liberties board to protect the public against intelligence agencies expanding their reach.

Seems like the should said "most" instead of "all" recommendations, but it's politics.
 

Jaskalas

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Originally posted by: Vic
This is only the first of what will be many. There is only 1 major political party in the US, with 2 separate marketing arms. One would hope the zealous fanbois would figure this out, but I'm afraid that's far too much to hope for. The Dems will no more follow through on their promises than Bush did with the promises he made with the religious nutjobs.

I hope they follow through and repeal the patriot act.

However, if your idea is accurate then they would not follow through on that either and I would consider it case in point. Yet, I do already believe the two parties are merely opposite sides of the same Authoritarian coin.

We'll see what happens.
 

EagleKeeper

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Originally posted by: Todd33
#1?

Oh wait, there is no #1, they didn't rank their first 100 hours. While it is disturbing that they want to skip this step, they are still planning on following through on dozens of others 911 commission recommendations. So is the OT title bad? Yep, misleading and over dramatic like a little girl.

Plans are not complete, but the incoming Democratic majority is likely to expand efforts to stop the proliferation of nuclear, chemical and biological weapons; ensure the interoperability of communications equipment so first responders can communicate more effectively; develop a comprehensive screening system for air cargo; and establish a civil-liberties board to protect the public against intelligence agencies expanding their reach.

Seems like the should said "most" instead of "all" recommendations, but it's politics.

The Dems are currently milling around trying to figure out what to do and how to do it.
they have made some choices and are realizing that saying one thing and doing another happens and can bite them.

Rather than jump on what is being reported; given them their 100 hours and then see how much is baloney and how much MAY be an honest effort.

If they follow the rules; they can get burned with poor selections.
They are going to be in a damed if they do and dammed if they don't.

It will be the quality of the items that get broken that will be the determining factor. After all, these are politicians.

 

JD50

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Originally posted by: Vic
This is only the first of what will be many. There is only 1 major political party in the US, with 2 separate marketing arms. One would hope the zealous fanbois would figure this out, but I'm afraid that's far too much to hope for. The Dems will no more follow through on their promises than Bush did with the promises he made with the religious nutjobs.

I couldn't have said it better myself. Unfortunately, you are going to see most of the people that bash Bush and the Republicans over this sort of thing, defending the Democrats when they do the same thing. Its already apparent in this thread.

 

Lemon law

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Its somewhat politics to promise the moon and the stars to get in---but given the last 12 years of congressional control--the dems can hardly do worse.

But doing things like campaign finance reform is very tricky---and many of the abuses now present are just the unintended loopholes in previous versions of campaign finance reform. So taking the time to do it right can pay benefits.

But democratic control is still months away---and the dems are just getting their leadership posts filled---with plenty of time left for them to hit the ground running
and do some meaningful things in the first 100 hours.

Any condemenations now are a wee mite premature---but the pundits are already labeling the last congress with a 2 year track record now nearly complete as a do
nothing rubber stamp congress. I doubt the upcoming congress will be so labeled.
Even though many republicans hope that it will leave their policies unchanged.

So fasten your seatbelts folks---the next 2 years will be very interesting---and I am betting before its done---one heck of a lot of people will wind up in jail as scandal after scandal comes to light. And congress once again shows its a branch of government.
 

DaveSimmons

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Since the Republicans refused to do this too, shouldn't you see it as a positive action? Or were the Republicans in the wrong as well?


I don't consider either party to be "my" party so I wasn't expecting much from the Dems besides an end to the rubber-standing of the Bush administrations' s bad ideas and the "stay the course" meat grinder our troops were being fed into.
 

techs

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"I don't think that suggestion is going anywhere," said Rep. C.W. Bill Young (R-Fla.), the chairman of the Appropriations defense subcommittee and a close ally of the incoming subcommittee chairman, Rep. John P. Murtha (D-Pa.). "That is not going to be their party position."

Let me get this straight. The Democrats are still the minority party. And a Republican doesn't THINK the Dems are going to do something.
And we are discussing this like it already happened?
What planet are you on?
 

jman19

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Dems and Repubs are really similar in most ways, and just differ in a few. However, above all else, they do agree on one thing: say and do anything to get elected.
 

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Originally posted by: techs
"I don't think that suggestion is going anywhere," said Rep. C.W. Bill Young (R-Fla.), the chairman of the Appropriations defense subcommittee and a close ally of the incoming subcommittee chairman, Rep. John P. Murtha (D-Pa.). "That is not going to be their party position."

Let me get this straight. The Democrats are still the minority party. And a Republican doesn't THINK the Dems are going to do something.
And we are discussing this like it already happened?
What planet are you on?

QFT. Topic over.
 

judasmachine

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Instead, Democratic leaders may create a panel to look at the issue and produce recommendations, according to congressional aides and lawmakers.

Huh didnt we already do this with the 9-11 commission and the Senate Intelligence Committee?

btw this is no surprise and said this a few weeks ago. It will be funny watching all the lefties on here defend the democrats breaking their promises.

This sadly goes both ways. We keep electing idiots that will say and do anything just to get the base fired up. No one in Washington is innocent of this charge.
 

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Well I have yet to see a GOP campaign promise fulfilled. All I see are a bunch of neo-cons fighting for the lives of the ultra-rich and brain dead, leaving the rest of us to fend for ourselves. *shrugs*
 

UberNeuman

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Ah, and so it begins.... even before the dems take power....

Well, let's pull out all the bugaboos - IT'S BILL CLINTON'S FAULT!
 

bamacre

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Originally posted by: Vic
This is only the first of what will be many. There is only 1 major political party in the US, with 2 separate marketing arms. One would hope the zealous fanbois would figure this out, but I'm afraid that's far too much to hope for. The Dems will no more follow through on their promises than Bush did with the promises he made with the religious nutjobs.

:thumbsup::thumbsup:
 

Schadenfroh

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Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: Vic
This is only the first of what will be many. There is only 1 major political party in the US, with 2 separate marketing arms. One would hope the zealous fanbois would figure this out

:thumbsup::thumbsup:

Sad, but I am starting to think it is true.
 

JackStorm

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Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Yet, I do already believe the two parties are merely opposite sides of the same Authoritarian coin.

Indeed. That much has been obvious for quite some time now.
 

wetech

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Pelosi strongly backed Murtha for House majority leader, only to see him soundly defeated by Rep. Steny H. Hoyer (Md.). That chain of events made it difficult for her to ask Murtha, a longtime ally, to relinquish control of the intelligence budget from his consolation prize, the chairmanship of the Appropriations defense subcommittee, according to Democratic sources.

I liked this part of the article. Pelosi doesn't want to make a change because it might hurt Murtha's feelings.
 

JD50

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Originally posted by: 2Xtreme21
Well I have yet to see a GOP campaign promise fulfilled. All I see are a bunch of neo-cons fighting for the lives of the ultra-rich and brain dead, leaving the rest of us to fend for ourselves. *shrugs*


And so it begins, the dems don't fulfill their campaign promises and the Dems keep pointing towards the GOP saying "well they did this, they didnt do that, wah wah wah, blah blah blah".

If you can't see that both parties are equally corrupt then I really feel sorry for you. Enjoy being a blind partisan.
 

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Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: 2Xtreme21
Well I have yet to see a GOP campaign promise fulfilled. All I see are a bunch of neo-cons fighting for the lives of the ultra-rich and brain dead, leaving the rest of us to fend for ourselves. *shrugs*


And so it begins, the dems don't fulfill their campaign promises and the Dems keep pointing towards the GOP saying "well they did this, they didnt do that, wah wah wah, blah blah blah".


And so it continues! Democrats haven;t taken over yet and the Republicans who are in power continue to blame Democrats for every false step the Republicans make.

Why don't we wait and see. You know at the 101st hour of Congress see exactly what has been done and what hasn't been done. Try it isn't that hard. You might even like it! But you probably don't have the patience.
 
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