Dems didn't lose white men primarily because of race, but because Dems don't offer them anything

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Jaskalas

Lifer
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Let me get this straight...
You want to argue that people who were wealthy enough to not work on Jan 6th. To travel clear across the country. That THEY weren't a shining example of poor Whites?
Yes, whales are whales. That could be a wonderful argument, but Guppies are still real and vastly outnumber your hand picked demographic of fat asses with nothing better to do.

Cannot see if that article wanted to speak of voters in general, cause of paywall, but if you think economics isn't an issue after 40 years of creating The Gap in wages, and if you think hatred of others does not start with "they're taking your shit".... what planet are you even on? This is America, and Americans of ALL colors are not doing well with the economics of this country. Not with decades of depressed wages and skyrocketing costs in housing and healthcare. For my generation, our parents had it better than us.

If our people were in a good place, they wouldn't be so easy for charlatans to agitate.
And just what the hell is wrong with wanting to sell a better America... to ALL Americans?

To not ignore or denigrate the largest voting bloc in a country where we hope to keep or gain a majority? Going to need the majority to be a majority. It is low hanging fruit ripe for the picking. And as the 2016 and 2020 elections demonstrate, the Rust Belt is a vital battleground of people living month to month and resenting their lot in life. They were left behind in the 90s, why the heck did we let Trump speak to them first? It should have been us. It still could. I do not want to abandon the idea that we can, and should, campaign for something better.
 

Jaskalas

Lifer
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Shouldn't poor and middle class whites be angry, what stake do they have that the rich whites have?
They should be angry at the people who control the wealth. Instead they get upset at people like Obama.

They keep voting for tax cuts for the people who already control the wealth.

So tell me again where the problem lies?
The problem lies with the Republican propaganda they were sold, and our inability to counter it.
The solution is not to ignore them all.
 
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HomerJS

Lifer
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All white people? Including the ones unbothered and just living/don't want anything to do with this stuff, etc.?

Or the politicians/police commissioners/judges implementing vestiges of racism still left?
You are the one who made the claim “all white people are being told they are racist”. I just asked you to back it up. Name a name

Also why do white people lie about things such as the existence of CRT in public schools and use those very lies as grievance justification??

You’ve used some of those very lies to illicit support for all those out upon whites people.

You said Dems are losing them. Answer this, what did Trump and Republicans do for the primary benefit of the middle class white person??
 
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Amol S.

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You are the one who made the claim “all white people are being told they are racist”. I just asked you to back it up. Name a name

Also why do white people lie about things such as the existence of CRT in public schools and use those very lies as grievance justification??

You’ve used some of those very lies to illicit support for all those out upon whites people.

You said Dems are losing them. Answer this, what did Trump and Republicans do for the primary benefit of the middle class white person??
Just an FYI, the last question should include excluding Houston and Wyoming, because apparently a valid answer does exist at those two places. That answer being keeping their dark smoke sky generating companies where they work safe from closure. After all 80% or more of business in Houston is in the oil industry.

So the question should be, "what did Trump and Republicans do for the primary benefit of the middle class white person outside of Houston and Wyoming?"
 

GettyRoad

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You are the one who made the claim “all white people are being told they are racist”. I just asked you to back it up. Name a name

Also why do white people lie about things such as the existence of CRT in public schools and use those very lies as grievance justification??

You’ve used some of those very lies to illicit support for all those out upon whites people.

You said Dems are losing them. Answer this, what did Trump and Republicans do for the primary benefit of the middle class white person??
  1. There are CRT in some schools, not the majority of them though.
  2. The Trump tax cuts helped a lot of white Midwesterners and White Southerners.....small business owners, etc. who are successful and are in the favorable tax bracket got good tax cuts from that....meanwhile, the white Northeasterner got a tax hike because the House GOP wanted to stick it to the wealthy Northeast, which affects Republicans
 
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HomerJS

Lifer
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  1. There are CRT in some schools, not the majority of them though.
  2. The Trump tax cuts helped a lot of white Midwesterners and White Southerners.....small business owners, etc. who are successful and are in the favorable tax bracket got good tax cuts from that....meanwhile, the white Northeasterner got a tax hike because the House GOP wanted to stick it to the wealthy Northeast, which affects Republicans
Really? This is your evidence? I asked for a prominent Democrat and you give us this nut? Who the hell is she? I bet you didn’t even know before today. Even the hosts are laughing at her.

I asked you what Trump did for middle class white and you gave me tax cuts that primarily benefit the wealthy. Biden capped Insulin at $35 Is an example.

Your nut claimed CRT is taught in schools but can’t name the district. I had a multiple page thread on CRT challenging ANYONE to name the district where it is taught and they all failed. You don’t get to make up CRT for stuff you don’t like. You people are good at that just like redefining woke.
 
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fskimospy

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  1. There are CRT in some schools, not the majority of them though.
  2. The Trump tax cuts helped a lot of white Midwesterners and White Southerners.....small business owners, etc. who are successful and are in the favorable tax bracket got good tax cuts from that....meanwhile, the white Northeasterner got a tax hike because the House GOP wanted to stick it to the wealthy Northeast, which affects Republicans
The Trump ‘tax cuts’ were a long term tax increase on the middle class.
 
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You are the one who made the claim “all white people are being told they are racist”. I just asked you to back it up. Name a name

Also why do white people lie about things such as the existence of CRT in public schools and use those very lies as grievance justification??

You’ve used some of those very lies to illicit support for all those out upon whites people.

You said Dems are losing them. Answer this, what did Trump and Republicans do for the primary benefit of the middle class white person??

At what point will you realize you gain nothing from responding to such blatant dishonesty? Its not good for your mental health. There are much better uses for your time that can do more to work for the change you want.
 

Amol S.

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Didn't stop Suffolk County, NY and Morris County, NJ from voting Trump in 2016 and 2020.
Word of advise, never refer to swing counties in New York State in this context for comparison. It is a known fact, and no joke, that the Jewish population in New York State actually does have a large presence when it comes to vote results. They align with what ever candidate is more pro-Israel. In 2020 that was Trump, but in 2012 it was Obama. I can guarantee you, with Biden's current support of Israel, Biden is going to win Suffolk County 2024.
 

GettyRoad

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Word of advise, never refer to swing counties in New York State in this context for comparison. It is a known fact, and no joke, that the Jewish population in New York State actually does have a large presence when it comes to vote results. They align with what ever candidate is more pro-Israel. In 2020 that was Trump, but in 2012 it was Obama. I can guarantee you, with Biden's current support of Israel, Biden is going to win Suffolk County 2024.

The Democrats' embrace of Black Lives Matter may damage that. Since 2016, Republicans have done well on Suffolk. Suffolk is not some right wing county as it was 40 years ago, it's a swing county...a lot of police officers and firefighters live among the Hampton elite, and they are afraid of NYC crime coming to Suffolk, hence they vote Republican....

US politicians should be neutral towards Israel and Palestine, but Biden could win the county by 1-2 points....
 

Amol S.

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The Democrats' embrace of Black Lives Matter may damage that. Since 2016, Republicans have done well on Suffolk. Suffolk is not some right wing county as it was 40 years ago, it's a swing county...a lot of police officers and firefighters live among the Hampton elite, and they are afraid of NYC crime coming to Suffolk, hence they vote Republican....

US politicians should be neutral towards Israel and Palestine, but Biden could win the county by 1-2 points....
The fact that you clicked on the links for 2008 and into the past, just tells me that you are younger than me. 1992 and 96 I can understand because of perot, but the others???
 

GettyRoad

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The fact that you clicked on the links for 2008 and into the past, just tells me that you are younger than me. 1992 and 96 I can understand because of perot, but the others???
Bush should have won Suffolk in 2004 because a lot of 9/11 victims lived there.
 

Pohemi

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Yeah this thread has nothing to do with race! Let's talk about housing, right? Its weird to complain about people talking about race in a thread that explicitly is about race in the title.
The one who started the thread is the one who is being accused of being obsessed with race, and constantly posting devisive race threads/questions, so yeah...valid statement.

You've already posted that video. In this thread. It was stupid then, and it's even dumber that you're reposting it as proof of something, when it's some random dipshit. Maybe that's why you like her? Birds of a feather and all that.
  1. There are CRT in some schools, not the majority of them though.
No there isn't, dipshit. Stop regurgitating rightwing propaganda.
  1. The Trump tax cuts helped a lot of white Midwesterners and White Southerners.....small business owners, etc. who are successful and are in the favorable tax bracket got good tax cuts from that....meanwhile, the white Northeasterner got a tax hike because the House GOP wanted to stick it to the wealthy Northeast, which affects Republicans
More propagandist bullshit. King Donnie's tax cuts only helped people NOT in upper tax brackets for a short period, then they made it worse for the middle and lower class.
Really? This is your evidence? I asked for a prominent Democrat and you give us this nut? Who the hell is she? I bet you didn’t even know before today. Even the hosts are laughing at her.
Yeah and it's a repeat use, lol.
 
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There is racism in this country, but it is very minimal at best. Democrat party only makes a mole hole out of the very sublime racism in this country. In fact, almost every man in this country is a racist. There is no man that can deny the proof that the most watched porn in the United States involves a white female porn star, why else are most porn stars white. Even African American men want to watch more white porn stars than that of other types of porn stars. What I am saying is not racism, but is facts that there is racism in this country.

The racism is not created by the politicians, but by you the voter. Both Republican and Democrats are NOT RACISTS generally. There are outliers like Tucker Carlson and Rashida Tlaib who are racists (but to different groups of people).

But one thing I can tell you is this, there is no such thing as gender discrimination existant in the United States.
 

ch33zw1z

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There is racism in this country, but it is very minimal at best. Democrat party only makes a mole hole out of the very sublime racism in this country. In fact, almost every man in this country is a racist. There is no man that can deny the proof that the most watched porn in the United States involves a white female porn star, why else are most porn stars white. Even African American men want to watch more white porn stars than that of other types of porn stars. What I am saying is not racism, but is facts that there is racism in this country.

The racism is not created by the politicians, but by you the voter. Both Republican and Democrats are NOT RACISTS generally. There are outliers like Tucker Carlson and Rashida Tlaib who are racists (but to different groups of people).

But one thing I can tell you is this, there is no such thing as gender discrimination existant in the United States.

This guy serious?
 

GettyRoad

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While Trump got blown out statewide in both places.
True. Dems are lucky New York City's vote share cancels out the Hudson Valley/Long Island suburbs like it did in the 80s or when Pataki was governor...or else NY would have been a swing state.

Long Island LOVES Trump and cops.
 
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fskimospy

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True. Dems are lucky New York City's vote share cancels out the Hudson Valley/Long Island suburbs like it did in the 80s or when Pataki was governor...or else NY would have been a swing state.

Long Island LOVES Trump and cops.
Yes, if you pretend a huge portion of one party’s voters don’t exist then elections get closer.

Similarly, Republicans in Texas are lucky that I don’t pretend a bunch of them don’t exist because then Texas would be a blue state.
 

HomerJS

Lifer
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There is racism in this country, but it is very minimal at best. Democrat party only makes a mole hole out of the very sublime racism in this country. In fact, almost every man in this country is a racist. There is no man that can deny the proof that the most watched porn in the United States involves a white female porn star, why else are most porn stars white. Even African American men want to watch more white porn stars than that of other types of porn stars. What I am saying is not racism, but is facts that there is racism in this country.

The racism is not created by the politicians, but by you the voter. Both Republican and Democrats are NOT RACISTS generally. There are outliers like Tucker Carlson and Rashida Tlaib who are racists (but to different groups of people).

But one thing I can tell you is this, there is no such thing as gender discrimination existant in the United States.
What do you call the racist gerrymadering case where Republicans were found by the courts to have violated the Voting Rights Act. Alabama was ordered to create a second majority black district by SCOTUS and they said fuck you"

The courts found Republicans committed a racist act not only in Alabama but in several red states.

In other news the Texas Republican Party took a vote to disassociate themselves from antisemites and white nationalists. The result, it was voted down.

Now tell me again The Republican Party isn't the racist party and why it's leader said brown people were "poisoning the blood of our country"
 
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ch33zw1z

Lifer
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Yes, if you pretend a huge portion of one party’s voters don’t exist then elections get closer.

Similarly, Republicans in Texas are lucky that I don’t pretend a bunch of them don’t exist because then Texas would be a blue state.

Pretty silly way to think about it. My anecdote - I live in MA and my small town was like 65 35 for Trump. Doesn’t matter at a state level, but certainly goes to show who lives in the area. It was not surprising tho
 
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Amol S.

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