Dems didn't lose white men primarily because of race, but because Dems don't offer them anything

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K1052

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It is funny that the democrats, who have won the popular vote for president every time but once over the last 35 years are consistently painted as out of touch. I’m pretty sure media incentives are the reason for that though. Like with most other things you get more clicks because conservatives like being flattered and liberals like shitting their pants and feeling bad.

I still haven't ever heard a good reason from Republicans why we should keep the electoral college. They always just get frustrated and expose their real motivation: it benefits them unfairly at everyone else's expense so they like it.
 

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I still haven't ever heard a good reason from Republicans why we should keep the electoral college. They always just get frustrated and expose their real motivation: it benefits them unfairly at everyone else's expense so they like it.
I have asked this same question many times and to this day not one conservative has been able to supply an answer.

Usually it’s things like ‘it gives small states a say!’, which is demonstrably false. So basically they make up lies about why it’s good.
 

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Cause they can't afford it. Cal can absolutely afford his own health care, but I bet it is in his contract so he doesn't have to pay out of pocket anyway.

Ya'll bootstrappers think you will be a Cal Ripken one day. Right?

Fake horse shit from a fake ass coward, held in a NON union shop with people paid to hold up union signs paid for by said Coward.
If you put your mind to it, you could be a baseball legend like Cal. White athletes like Cal and Curt Schilling, Tom Glavine, want NO part of liberal politics in baseball and society, especially Curt and Glavine.

Cal is more moderate, he's the type of white swing voter Dems should be appealing to.
 

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It is funny that the democrats, who have won the popular vote for president every time but once over the last 35 years are consistently painted as out of touch. I’m pretty sure media incentives are the reason for that though. Like with most other things you get more clicks because conservatives like being flattered and liberals like shitting their pants and feeling bad.
Because Dems have not performed well with the most important and powerful demographic:

STRAIGHT WHITE MEN.

They don't see a reason to support Democrats, hence why WI/MI/PA went to Trump in '16 and is a swing state again in '24.

Dems don't have a message for white males, so why get upset when the Boomer Esiasons and the Mitch McConnells stymie the Democratic agenda?

Dems have an agenda for every racial bloc but SWM, hell, even white women aren't so Republican. White women are called Becky and Karen all day long by leftwing people, why should they support Dems if they are not going to be respected to earn their vote?
 

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Because Dems have not performed well with the most important and powerful demographic:

STRAIGHT WHITE MEN.

They don't see a reason to support Democrats, hence why WI/MI/PA went to Trump in '16 and is a swing state again in '24.

Dems don't have a message for white males, so why get upset when the Boomer Esiasons and the Mitch McConnells stymie the Democratic agenda?

Dems have an agenda for every racial bloc but SWM, hell, even white women aren't so Republican. White women are called Becky and Karen all day long by leftwing people, why should they support Dems if they are not going to be respected to earn their vote?
What policy has Trump enacted to primarily benefit straight white middle class men?

BTW - I live in PA and it went to Biden in 2020
 
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fskimospy

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Because Dems have not performed well with the most important and powerful demographic:

STRAIGHT WHITE MEN.

They don't see a reason to support Democrats, hence why WI/MI/PA went to Trump in '16 and is a swing state again in '24.
Why are you so obsessed with race?

Also, you missed the point. Democrats are the party that IS in touch with what voters want, which is why they consistently get the most votes. The only reason Republicans are competitive at all is because by accident the system is rigged in their favor. The reason Republicans don't do well is they have nothing to offer the average voter.
Dems don't have a message for white males, so why get upset when the Boomer Esiasons and the Mitch McConnells stymie the Democratic agenda?

Dems have an agenda for every racial bloc but SWM, hell, even white women aren't so Republican. White women are called Becky and Karen all day long by leftwing people, why should they support Dems if they are not going to be respected to earn their vote?
Why are you so obsessed with race?

Also, nobody cares what Boomer Esiason thinks - most Americans don't even know he exists. As for your weird idea as to what white women are called - my wife has never been called either of those names in her entire life.

I think your main issue is 1) you're not american and 2) even if you were you're completely out of touch with what real america thinks. If you're wondering why the Republicans you support (and let's not kid ourselves, you do) lose so much it's because they are totally out of touch too.
 

fskimospy

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What policy has Trump enacted to primarily benefit straight white middle class men?

BTW - I live in PA and it went to Biden in 2020
He apparently appealed to washed up football stars who haven't been relevant in several decades, lol.

I swear this guy read a textbook on 'how to american' but due to budget cuts the most recent edition they could muster was from like 1998.
 

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Why are you so obsessed with race?

Also, you missed the point. Democrats are the party that IS in touch with what voters want, which is why they consistently get the most votes. The only reason Republicans are competitive at all is because by accident the system is rigged in their favor. The reason Republicans don't do well is they have nothing to offer the average voter.

Why are you so obsessed with race?

Also, nobody cares what Boomer Esiason thinks - most Americans don't even know he exists. As for your weird idea as to what white women are called - my wife has never been called either of those names in her entire life.

I think your main issue is 1) you're not american and 2) even if you were you're completely out of touch with what real america thinks. If you're wondering why the Republicans you support (and let's not kid ourselves, you do) lose so much it's because they are totally out of touch too.
True, they should be doing well with the largest demographic: White men. Which means they should be doing well in Utah, etc. if they want to be the NATIONAL PARTY.
 

fskimospy

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True, they should be doing well with the largest demographic: White men. Which means they should be doing well in Utah, etc. if they want to be the NATIONAL PARTY.
If they want to be the national party they should appeal to the most members of the nation, correct? They do this!

What you should be asking is why the nation has turned away from the Republican Party. (Hint: it’s because republicans have nothing to offer them)
 

K1052

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He apparently appealed to washed up football stars who haven't been relevant in several decades, lol.

Old enough to remember Trump recruiting Hershel Walker for one of the two GA senate seats he'd already lost the party who then also went on to lose.
 
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Old enough to remember Trump recruiting Hershel Walker for one of the two GA senate seats he'd already lost the party who then also went on to lose.

Yes he did lose, but that should be with an asterisk. I mean he got so so close. And that right there is fucking scary. That victory should have that asterisk so people stay knowledgeable about how fucking evil the GQP is and how close they got to winning with that shitstain of a human.
 

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Why are you so obsessed with race?

Also, you missed the point. Democrats are the party that IS in touch with what voters want, which is why they consistently get the most votes. The only reason Republicans are competitive at all is because by accident the system is rigged in their favor. The reason Republicans don't do well is they have nothing to offer the average voter.

Why are you so obsessed with race?

Also, nobody cares what Boomer Esiason thinks - most Americans don't even know he exists. As for your weird idea as to what white women are called - my wife has never been called either of those names in her entire life.

I think your main issue is 1) you're not american and 2) even if you were you're completely out of touch with what real america thinks. If you're wondering why the Republicans you support (and let's not kid ourselves, you do) lose so much it's because they are totally out of touch too.
If no one cared what Boomer thinks, he wouldn't have a highly influential radio show in the largest media market (NYC) in the planet.

A lot of white cops, firefighters get their talking points from him, and he was a star in the NFL. He took his team to a Super Bowl, and he is right-leaning because he does not like BLM and he wants cops to be respected in the inner cities, he is influential, his views are plenty in the NFL echelon class. Why do you think Colin Kaepernick got blackballed by the NFL?
 

K1052

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Yes he did lose, but that should be with an asterisk. I mean he got so so close. And that right there is fucking scary. That victory should have that asterisk so people stay knowledgeable about how fucking evil the GQP is and how close they got to winning with that shitstain of a human.

This is more due to the electoral dynamics of GA. It was always going to be close-ish. Though he did worse than Loeffler margin wise lol.
 
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If they want to be the national party they should appeal to the most members of the nation, correct? They do this!

What you should be asking is why the nation has turned away from the Republican Party. (Hint: it’s because republicans have nothing to offer them)
What do white men like Boomer and Glavine and white cops/firefighters see in them then?
 

fskimospy

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If no one cared what Boomer thinks, he wouldn't have a highly influential radio show in the largest media market (NYC) in the planet.
The average american voter has no idea who this guy is. And look at how influential he is in NYC - conservatives get blown out every time. Less than zero influence.
A lot of white cops, firefighters get their talking points from him, and he was a star in the NFL. He took his team to a Super Bowl, and he is right-leaning because he does not like BLM and he wants cops to be respected in the inner cities, he is influential, his views are plenty in the NFL echelon class. Why do you think Colin Kaepernick got blackballed by the NFL?
lol no they do not.
 

fskimospy

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What do white men like Boomer and Glavine and white cops/firefighters see in them then?
We are talking about America as a whole. Why do you think Republicans are unable to appeal to it? The answer is they have nothing to offer.

Remember, Trump raised the average American's taxes.
 

HomerJS

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The tax cuts probably
Yet another fail. Those went primarily to the rich and if you check the polls a majority of people did not favor them including white men.

My point is your premise if false and it's really Democratic policies people want.
 
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GettyRoad

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The average american voter has no idea who this guy is. And look at how influential he is in NYC - conservatives get blown out every time. Less than zero influence.

lol no they do not.
Long Island is NYC's largest suburb. The reason America knew about George Santos is because LI had a Red Wave last year....

Boomer is to thank for that, he lives there and he has influence. The man has a radio show for Christ's sake....he is not a nobody.

You underestimate the power and influence people like Joe Rogan, Boomer Esiason, Craig Carton, Leeza Gibbons, etc. has on Americans..

People are influenced by media, politicians, celebrities, athletes.

Conservative public figures have influence because American society is so tilted to the left...


 

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We are talking about America as a whole. Why do you think Republicans are unable to appeal to it? The answer is they have nothing to offer.

Remember, Trump raised the average American's taxes.
True, but Italian American whites in Staten Island and Philly don't care, they'll still vote for the bastard.
 

GettyRoad

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Yeah but Staten Island is irrelevant.
Eh.....a non Trump Republican with appeal nationally would make SI relevant if they made NY a swing state, Staten Island's margin elected Rudy Giuliani as mayor in 1993..........

A large Staten Island voter turnout could shift NYC....
 
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