Yes, but in less conservative Muslim countries, women reclaimed the hijab as a symbol of their own empowerment.PSA the hijab is worn for the same reason as the burqa
It's medieval misogyny, nothing more nothing less, no different than publicly placed confederate statues are symbols of racism regardless of the faux culture angle used to defend both.
What is sad is how right wing extremist types are the ones pointing this out and our supposed equal rights liberal establishment defends it as some sort of cultural right and anyone that questions it is a bigot or racist.
Well, that's a nonsensical straw man, but thanks anyway. Is it consistent with small government conservativism to believe there is no potential for abuse and oppression when government is involved?the is NO potential abuse about it the abuse and oppression that the burka represents is real, but it appears you are all for oppression and abusing women as long as its hiding behind a religion. good to know.
PSA the hijab is worn for the same reason as the burqa
Denmark has charged the first woman for wearing the burka. A woman who refused to take it off was fined 1000 Kroner.
Denmark did the right thing banning the burka, nobody should be able to hide their face in public. They need to keep charging anyone wearing a burka. These people are breaking the law and disrespecting the country. The fines definitely need to be increased and harsher penalties for this nonsense.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...rged-islamophobia-face-covering-a8477196.html
Your rationalization of patriarchal oppression justified by the alleged will of a mystical being in the sky is duly noted.
The verses of the Quran that Muslims use to rationalize the burqa are as relevant to a progressive society as the Old Testament verses that Christians use to oppose gay marriage.
I answered it, not my fault you don’t like itSo you couldn't answer my question and just decided to make so some shit up. Got it.
Then applying the same logic to the patriarchal conservative fringes of Islam should be a no brainerAs for Christians who oppose gay marriage, they were stopped from using the government to oppress gays. By liberals. For the exact same reason.
Forced against their will implies oppression against which the government would justifiably intervene in favor of social justiceMuslim women who are forced to wear the burqa against their will should be allowed the freedom to choose not.
I answered it, not my fault you don’t like it
Then applying the same logic to the patriarchal conservative fringes of Islam should be a no brainer
Forced against their will implies oppression against which the government would justifiably intervene in favor of social justice
I do admire your mental gymnastics on this issue.
Are they going to fine people wearing masks for Halloween too? Or motorcyclists wearing helmets?
Sentence structure perhaps?No mental gymnastics, you just apparently don"t understand a single word I posted.
And it seems both conservatives and liberals are most comfortable with govt forces exerted in support of their particular narrativesMy argument is that social problems are best solved through social change rather than government force, if possible. And especially when that govt force will create new injustices. as it obviously will do here.
I don’t and am not, I just enjoy the rationalizations around certain narratives.When did you suddenly become a bleeding heart SJW who expects government to fix your every perceived injustice?
I am not the government, but I would support a government targeting any such dated practices. I somehow doubt you would post in protest to the government intervening into say Christian priesthood.Can I assume that your concern for womens rights in religion is consistent and applies to all other religions (and religious sects) that don't afford equal rights to their women members? When do we need to pass the law requiring Catholics and Mormons to allow women into their priesthoods? What about Apostolic Lutherans who don't let women cut their hair? Should the nun's habit be outlawed? I could go on and on here. If banning the burqa is such a good idea, then why aren't you doing anything about those?
In modern, progressive muslim communities, the purpose of the hijab isn't really unlike the headscarves that women are required to wear in certain orthodox or Christian churches, or the male yarmulke for Jewish men. The main difference is that it is worn at all times in public (I think), if some of these women choose to. And not all women do, actually. As Starbuck said, it is part of a relatively recent movement among young muslim women that have reclaimed the hijab and essentially reinvented its use and keep it as an outward symbol of their faith.
I recognize that republican movements along these lines are nearly always exclusively targeted at restricting and punishing non-Christians for daring to express a different faith, and while I believe there is certainly some support for that among the typical right-wing concern trolls (usual "small government" types--lol), and while my first instinct as a real liberal is to object to this kind of government repression of free expression and religion, I don't see a reasonable argument for lumping the burkha in with the hijab. The burkha is only used as by the most extreme sects within Islam as a symbol of patriarchal dominance and oppression. One can make the liberal argument that this is merely their religion (I get that), but it both isn't endorsed by mainstream Islam, and it's not like there isn't precedent for restricting outward symbols of oppression and hate in certain countries, and with very little controversy (try running around with a swastika on your shirt in Germany).
I don't really doubt that this policy is a veiled (hah!) profiling against certain sects of Islam....but the progressive in me finds little sympathy for the type of communities that punish and brainwash their wives and daughters and mothers into this kind of tortured, uneducated, imprisoned existence.
I through of something. If a bank prohibit hat/burka when you are inside for security reason and a woman come in with Burka. How will this work?
This is the truth. It has nothing to do with the religion yet the leftist always ignore this. It is used by men to control women and some of them have been so brainwashed from childhood they think it empowers them and want to wear it.
Oh fuck off, dillhole. Don't you have a proud child-molesting Nazi to defend in your other thread?
Go do that.
Fuck you, You son of a whore. You were the one who defended the child molestors so go shove your head up their asses.
Look at that wordplay folks!Good, at least one Euro country that is trying hard to uncuck itself from open borders.
Look at that wordplay folks!
Not only can speedy benchpress a small European car, he's got the comedic chops of mike huckabee, is there anything he cannot do??
The only time righties care about equality is when it comes to regulating Muslims.This is the truth. It has nothing to do with the religion yet the leftist always ignore this. It is used by men to control women and some of them have been so brainwashed from childhood they think it empowers them and want to wear it.
Bullshit. The only motive right wing extremists have for pointing out the potential abuses of womens rights here is their goal of stripping Muslims of their religious freedom rights. Period.
Or just telling its citizens what they can or cannot wear. When do they make Mormon garments and Jewish tassles illegal too? And if not, why not?Good, at least one Euro country that is trying hard to uncuck itself from open borders.