Victorian Gray
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No, actually you shouldn't.
Why not? Would it upset your tender sensibilities?
No, actually you shouldn't.
The only time the left cares about religious freedom is when it comes to defending Islam
Your flailing against the wrong target.Thats not true, but for the sake of driving the point home you go full .. hyperbolic.
Ok, lets roll with that.
Why do you think Islam might need defending? Is someone attacking it?
Well Islam attack first right?
Islam flew those planes into those towers and Islam wants to overthrow democracy(cough, Trump, cough), and install sharia. Right?
So why would the left defend Islam? The left be Traitors and shit?
Actually its not Islam that needs defending, you can rail on Islam all you want, as well as Christianity or Scientology etc etc.
What need defending is the everyday regular Muslims that at heart is just like every other common sense guy and gal that YOU LOT have all thrown into the same basket, the basket of radical Islamist.
Common, a friggin "Muslim Ban"? Can you not hear the friggin dog whistle? And what do you do? You play your part. Daaaaaaaaamn.
Religious freedom, who cares? Remove religious, what does it say? Freedom. Nothing more to it than that. If a given religion is used to leverage an agenda not compatible with western democracy, then attack that agenda, dont throw the whole thing under the bus... If these groups gets too much momentum, action has to be taken.. But a Muslim Ban? You said it your self, identity politics... a hate on Muslims... identity politics. Sigh. I wonder what could possibly go wrong...Also, nice to pull a "I have muslim friends so I have a get out of jail free card" move..Your flailing against the wrong target.
What I do know is that I spent most of the best years of my life protecting ethnic Muslims from people who look like me, but then a small militant faction of them, who stem from groups that coincidentally were our allies during the Cold War, decided to fly a plane into a building to stir sh!t up...and in the process managed to kill or emotionally scar a bunch of people I cared about.
And then a President, who was a poor leader, declared war on the wrong Muslims, but most Democrats were ok with that war, until of course it was politically convenient to be against it.
Fast forward to today, and you have a divisive President using Islam as part of his identity politics immigration nonsense, with liberals hypocritically making the discussion about religious freedom or knee jerking, like you.
Back on topic, it is also why I understand the distinction between the moderate Muslims who are my friends, and who tend to embrace hijab, versus militant radicals, who tend to embrace the burqa.
And yet none of this matters because we are talking about Denmark.
You’re still flailing at the wrong target. Show me where I supported a Muslim ban. You really should take the time to read the evolution of the thread conversation in context rather than knee jerk at the end.Religious freedom, who cares? Remove religious, what does it say? Freedom. Nothing more to it than that. If a given religion is used to leverage an agenda not compatible with western democracy, then attack that agenda, dont throw the whole thing under the bus... If these groups gets too much momentum, action has to be taken.. But a Muslim Ban? You said it your self, identity politics... a hate on Muslims... identity politics. Sigh. I wonder what could possibly go wrong...Also, nice to pull a "I have muslim friends so I have a get out of jail free card" move..
Jews and Mormons aren't religions where their hero is a violent pedophile who married children under 10 and advocated the pillage and murder of people he didn't like. If shariah law was acceptable under any form of western government it would be what governs us. It never will, and banning people who advocate shariah is the first step.
I was pointing out that Islam is not unique in its history of pedophilia and draconian religious law. Those same things are also in the Bible. That no country currently practices Mosaic Law is irrelevant to that fact. I'm also going to point out that millions of Americans want Mosaic Law to be the law of the land in the US. We see that every time they demand that the 10 Commandments be posted on courthouses and other government buildings.
Your 2nd paragraph is pure dishonest straw man on your part. I don't believe that Denmark or any other country should practice Sharia or any other form of religious law. In fact, I believe very strongly that no country should ever practice any form of religious law, and anyone who knows my posting history here already knows that.
Why don't you try to convince me why liberals, who tirelessly advocate for secular governments and the separation of church and state, would ever go against those core beliefs and want Denmark, or any country, to practice Sharia law?
BS! Leftists always make excuses for sharia and defend it.
Jews and Mormons aren't religions where their hero is a violent pedophile who married children under 10 and advocated the pillage and murder of people he didn't like. If shariah law was acceptable under any form of western government it would be what governs us. It never will, and banning people who advocate shariah is the first step.
Yep, those secular atheist feminist liberal leftists totally want to live under an ultra-conservative religious law that subjugates women. You've figured it all out.BS! Leftists always make excuses for sharia and defend it.
Yep, those secular atheist feminist liberal leftists totally want to live under an ultra-conservative religious law that subjugates women. You've figured it all out.
I dont know if you are on too many drugs or too few ...They never criticize it and these same scumbags work with the jihadists.
I dont know if you are on too many drugs or too few ...
That article starts by stating facts rather than arguing them and then just goes on with the making up of stuff.
That article starts by stating facts rather than arguing them and then just goes on with the making up of stuff.
"Finally, a short message to liberals might go: Dear Liberal, If you truly stand for values such as peace, social justice, liberty and freedoms, your apologetic view of radical Islam is in total contradiction with all of those values. Your view even hinders the efforts of many Muslims to make a peaceful reformation in Islam precisely to advance the those values."
Sorry guy. It is fake news. Liberals/leftish/Dems/Whatevs dont excuse or tolerate extremist Islam. Most of the time we go to war with them.
Also, Denmark was that country that, in the name of free speech, pressed all those pictures of the prophet over and over again, took some real heat for it but continued to press it cause, well, free speech. Or die trying.
Every single thing in that article is false.The left loves radical Islamists, they attack anyone who criticizes them.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/a...asts_a_blind_eye_on_radical_islam_125522.html
He missed that day in Sunday School when they taught the 9th Commandment.I dont know if you are on too many drugs or too few ...
I lean more left, but think a ban on such face coverings is just fine. we have bans on masks and other things that would conceal one's identity for safety reasons. I'm good with the ban. I also understand that such a law slightly undermines the religious freedom of a few...which is a consideration, but doesn't trump public safety...
Jews and Mormons aren't religions where their hero is a violent pedophile who married children under 10 and advocated the pillage and murder of people he didn't like. If shariah law was acceptable under any form of western government it would be what governs us. It never will, and banning people who advocate shariah is the first step.
I dont know if you are on too many drugs or too few ...
I lean more left, but think a ban on such face coverings is just fine. we have bans on masks and other things that would conceal one's identity for safety reasons. I'm good with the ban. I also understand that such a law slightly undermines the religious freedom of a few...which is a consideration, but doesn't trump public safety...