I've not accused anyone of pirating a game. Not sure where you get that from
Obviously DRM that cannot be cracked increases sales , you would have to be an actual idiot to dispute that
People switched to console gaming was not simply an effect of piracy despite all the silly things people say. It's simply an excuse. Console games don't have the same sales PC games do, they can be sold at a higher price on a CONTROLLED platform to more people.
Console games can hit 30 FPS, and be sold. PC Gamers won't accept that. PC Gamers demand higher quality games and thus are more ANNOYING to target. It costs more money and time to sell a game to PC Gamers. Look at AC Unity. It performs badly on consoles and PC, yet PCGamers are the ones who sit here and consistently bash the game. If the game had NEVER come out on PC, it would have had ok press, but it did and we tore it apart for the pile of junk it was. The most hyper critical of all gaming groups are PC Gamers.
@david_jumbo
Thanks, we were at least having a decent conversation before you came along with nothing to add but your accusations. Don't try to dissolve this conversation into something meaningless with accusatory phrases.
This convo is about whether DRM will increase sales for PC, not whether BSim500 or Cerb specifically pirate games or specifically have issues with DRM working on their PCs. Lets not make this a person specific conversation because none of us can prove what the others are saying about our own computers...
I've not accused anyone of pirating a game. Not sure where you get that from
Obviously DRM that cannot be cracked increases sales , you would have to be an actual idiot to dispute that
How would multiple computers have affected anything? Multiple computers don't share drivers and the like. That said, I've never had more than one gaming PC; it's always been 1 or 0. The problem I couldn't fix with any SecuROM cleaner was that two versions that were years apart didn't play well with one another, and completely broke all ODD functionality.The problem with SecuROM (from what I remember) was installing a game on multiple computers , it did not like it. That stuff is in the past where it belongs
So you didn't read any of the thread?
That's what has been talked about all thread. I suggest you go back and read the last 2 pages to understand why this statement is in fact not necessarily true.
Just because a game cannot be cracked doesn't mean piraters will purchase it. Unless you're saying that DRM is only implemented in gaming and no other industry, if DRM is implemented across industries that cannot be cracked, we're still in the same situation as before.
How would multiple computers have affected anything? Multiple computers don't share drivers and the like. That said, I've never had more than one gaming PC; it's always been 1 or 0. The problem I couldn't fix with any SecuROM cleaner was that two versions that were years apart didn't play well with one another, and completely broke all ODD functionality.
I've not accused anyone of pirating a game. Not sure where you get that from
"just stop stealing their stuff" (post #189)
the problems I remember was if you wanted to install the game 3 times on different computers , it would make you contact the publisher
"Limited install of 2-3x times before you need to make a phone call per game" only works when you take one game in isolation, but quickly goes into melt-down and scales badly when it involves dozens / hundreds. Who the hell is going to make hundreds of phone calls if (like you) they have 600x games all using the same system after the fourth time you've upgraded your system? So, no the DRM actually didn't do its job on a macro-scale. That's why it was abandoned. In fact, many legal Bioshock owners ended up ironically downloading the cracked version simply to be "allowed" to continue to play some retail versions without having to beg permission from a call center every other time they changed a component in their rig or reinstalled Windows...As for your Bioshock example , good job secuROM is not used anymore eh ? Although not sure why you would blame the DRM for a publisher mistake ? The DRM has done it's job , the publisher is at fault for not offering proper support
"Limited install of 2-3x times before you need to make a phone call per game" only works when you take one game in isolation, but quickly goes into melt-down and scales badly when it involves dozens / hundreds. Who the hell is going to make hundreds of phone calls if (like you) they have 600x games all using the same system after the fourth time you've upgraded your system? So, no the DRM actually didn't do its job on a macro-scale. That's why it was abandoned. In fact, many legal Bioshock owners ended up ironically downloading the cracked version simply to be "allowed" to continue to play some retail versions without having to beg permission from a call center every other time they changed a component in their rig or reinstalled Windows...
No but if they want to play the game they will have to buy it. Before this new DRM those people would have played the game for nothing. Now they can't so they are left with two choices
Either buy the game or don't
Not being funny but Bioshock is nearly ten years old , DRM has moved on from that time. The SecuROM "having to make a phone call" thing was only on a couple of games before everyone released that it was a stupid idea and it was made redundant
I have DA:I and I've not noticed any DRM , that's it doing it's job. Making sure that it can't be copied and the only people who are playing the game are people who have paid for it
You surely can't argue with that and agree that it is a good thing ? Because of this form of DRM , people who would have pirated the game will have to buy it thus increasing sales and maybe convincing the publisher that they need to make a DA4
No but if they want to play the game they will have to buy it. Before this new DRM those people would have played the game for nothing. Now they can't so they are left with two choices
Either buy the game or don't
To add, DRM isn't always about protecting the product over it's entire life. Once upon a time, the success of a game in the eyes of its publisher was decided by total sales over it's shelf life. Today, large publishers won't even green light a project if they can't expect to recover their production costs within the first couple weeks. With titles like Call of Duty and Grand Theft Auto pushing well over 500 million in Day 1 revenue, even a one percent drop in sales due to piracy can mean many millions of lost revenue and, by extension, profit.
Why do I need to make a personal argument when someone much more educated on the subject that either you or I has conveniently written out an article for us. Oh and look, I even linked it for you. Now off you go to read !
I disagree and completely think differently. Pirates Do NOT think they're entitled and piracy doesn't affect NEARLY as much as you think.
Nobody that buys games cares about DRM
You can't exactly hurt pre-orders with piracy.
Everyone knows piracy can't be completely stopped and it is a pipe dream for any company to believe they can win this fight; however, they don't need to actually stop the piracy to have success.
I don't know about that, looks like Denuvo can't be cracked. The thing is, I don't see any of the parties involved (EA, Denuvo, Bioware) bragging about massive sales increase. I would expect them to show charts with FIFA 14 vs. FIFA 15 sales and DA:I vs prequels.
Logic dictates that sales should be higher with Denuvo, it's been 2-3 months since FIFA 15 was launched, surely some people have given up and bought the game they would have otherwise pirated but EA's silence is quite telling IMO.
I don't know what EA paid Denuvo but have the increased sales covered the cost of implementing Denuvo to begin with? I think it would be very interesting to look at the numbers, cracked vs. intact, especially for those annual sequel releases.
Yea that's what I'm reading. Of course, what is funny is the games that had it (released uncrackable) didn't sell any more than normal (even DA:I), but now they'll claim PIRACY LOSS! instead of the real truth - no one wants your game.