Denuvo Anti-Tamper (anti-piracy solution)

[Cerb]

been at DA:I for over 30 hours on 2 systems, never had a single problem.

didn't even know there was DRM (aside from Origin). This is DRM done right. ive been fighting DRM since having to zipsplit wad files to get doom to copy to 1.44" floppies and im glad that today's DRM is much less intrusive.

Don't listen to him. His mother was a snowblower, ferchrisakes!
(love the avatar!)

 

[Bateluer]

http://www.dsogaming.com/news/report-denuvo-drm-system-has-been-cracked/

 

[Dankk]

http://www.dsogaming.com/news/report-denuvo-drm-system-has-been-cracked/

And there it goes.

 

[bystander36]

Just a note:

Before closing, we should note that the Chinese team has cracked the DRM system only. This does not mean that there is any working crack at the moment, however it opens up the road for ones.

 

[Tweak155]

I've been in lots of piracy debates before and the old 'you can't prove pirates actually cost developers in lost profits' always pops up, and it is always by somebody completely delusional about what's going on.

I encourage absolutely everyone interested in the topic to read this article: http://www.tweakguides.com/Piracy_1.html

I just finished reading the whole thing. Decent article, however his claims that it is unbiased is way off.

Overall, I agree with him though.

 

[Carfax83]

http://www.dsogaming.com/news/report-denuvo-drm-system-has-been-cracked/

We'll see whether it's a legitimate claim in about a week. It's not the first time that 3DM have announced they have cracked something, only for the crack to be useless or come with so many ailments as to give the player a far worse experience than a legit copy.

Personally, I'm hoping it's not cracked. It's shameful how many PC gamers out there are unapologetic pirates, or pirate apologists. D:

And then they get angry at developers for implementing DRM to protect their products from piracy.. But we all know who struck the first blow...

 

[MeldarthX]

We'll see whether it's a legitimate claim in about a week. It's not the first time that 3DM have announced they have cracked something, only for the crack to be useless or come with so many ailments as to give the player a far worse experience than a legit copy.

Personally, I'm hoping it's not cracked. It's shameful how many PC gamers out there are unapologetic pirates, or pirate apologists. D:

And then they get angry at developers for implementing DRM to protect their products from piracy.. But we all know who struck the first blow...

Good grief man; you do know that games were far more pirated on the 360 and Wii last gen than PC games?

This rabid belief that all PC gamers are pirates is a joke. Specially when DRM at one point was so broken that they were using said pirate cracks to fix the issues they create....*Ubisoft I'm looking at you*....

Thirdly Pirating has never been a lost sale. Industry is/was built upon people lending games to their friends; their friends going damn that's awesome I want it; then usually going out and buying it specially if they wanted multiplayer.

That's how Diablo got me *one of my all time favorite games* Went to a friend's house; went holy "£% what is that. Diablo. After I left his after gaming for a few hours; I went out and bought it; and I was dirt poor.

Pirating has and does with a lot of people turn into a try before you buy. If the game is lousy; no they won't buy, but if the game is good. People will go out and buy it. *Again I'm not advocationg piracy.*

Then you have the pirates that were never going to buy; ever. That right there isn't a lost sell as it was never a sell in the first place.

Now if industry would stop treating their customers as crimmals; and put out shoddy; bug riddled; non working games; people wouldn't be turning to cracks just to make their game work. *Again looking at you Ubisoft*

 

[PrincessFrosty]

But we all know who struck the first blow...

In many cases the developers.

If you look at the reasons cited for a lot of piracy you'll find that people often want to test the game works on their system correctly without game breaking bugs, crashes or severe performance issues. The general lack of demos, increased amount of lying and deception at game reveals/e3 etc. The general lack of polish and unfinished games with a release now and patch later mentality, the horrible descent into everything being a port. The lack of ability to return a game if it doesn't work.

Many of these factors encourage increased piracy.

 

[Rakehellion]

In many cases the developers.

If you look at the reasons cited for a lot of piracy you'll find that people often want to test the game works on their system correctly without game breaking bugs, crashes or severe performance issues. The general lack of demos, increased amount of lying and deception at game reveals/e3 etc. The general lack of polish and unfinished games with a release now and patch later mentality, the horrible descent into everything being a port. The lack of ability to return a game if it doesn't work.

Many of these factors encourage increased piracy.

Bingo. But people say we should buy any and all games without discretion because it's the "right" thing to do. Who advocates for the gamer when the title was a legitimate bait-and-switch?

I'll buy maybe one game every two years on faith alone. Other than that, I need to play a demo or I'm not buying it ever, at any price.

 

[showb1z]

Bingo. But people say we should buy any and all games without discretion because it's the "right" thing to do. Who advocates for the gamer when the title was a legitimate bait-and-switch?

What's your point? Don't pre-order.

 

[Rakehellion]

What's your point? Don't pre-order.

Obviously I don't. What's your point?

 

[showb1z]

Obviously I don't. What's your point?

Bingo. But people say we should buy any and all games without discretion because it's the "right" thing to do. Who advocates for the gamer when the title was a legitimate bait-and-switch?

This is not an issue with professional reviews, user reviews, youtube, demo's, etc. available. If someone doesn't go to the small trouble of informing themselves, I doubt they even care if they get burned from time to time.

 

[Rakehellion]

This is not an issue with professional reviews, user reviews, youtube, demo's, etc. available. If someone doesn't go to the small trouble of informing themselves, I doubt they even care if they get burned from time to time.

Ah, so you took the one thing I said out of context and ignored everything else. Good show.

 

[showb1z]

The rest was irrelevant to your point that pirating is ok because there is no way to know if a game lives up to how it was advertized.
But that little quip got you out of answering my counter-argument at least. Good show.

 

[Rakehellion]

your point that pirating is ok

Not what I said at all, sugartits.

 

[PrincessFrosty]

This is not an issue with professional reviews, user reviews, youtube, demo's, etc. available. If someone doesn't go to the small trouble of informing themselves, I doubt they even care if they get burned from time to time.

Except for the problem that most reviews are bought and have hiked scores, lets not pretend that of the $500 MILLION that went into CoDs advertising and marketing budget that none of that went to reviewers in some way, whether that be through direct pay offs or through ad revenue on their sites.

Now the same is happening with youtubers, they live off their revenue and exist in large syndicates, so they can't be trusted either.

Demos are basically dead and gone.

And none of this matters if you get the game and it simply doesn't run, or you get some bug that is unique to your setup, I've had many of those over the years.

While it might be against the law to pirate, I don't personally think it's morally wrong if you're doing it to avoid this kind of shit, if you play a game and it lives up to expectations and runs properly and then you pay for it afterwards as far as I'm concerned that's no harm no foul.

If this happened with any other product or service, if you were pissed off with the product, you'd simply return it for a refund which in the UK with games you get told to get lost.

 

[showb1z]

Oh please, not all reviews are bought, not all youtubers are shills. You can watch people streaming every new game live on youtube. Saying you can't find any reliable info on the vastness of the internet is just ridiculous.

And none of this matters if you get the game and it simply doesn't run, or you get some bug that is unique to your setup, I've had many of those over the years.

Back in the '90's?
If you're frequently running into problems where a game won't even run, I'm pretty sure the problem is your system.

While it might be against the law to pirate, I don't personally think it's morally wrong if you're doing it to avoid this kind of shit, if you play a game and it lives up to expectations and runs properly and then you pay for it afterwards as far as I'm concerned that's no harm no foul.

That's great in theory, and if you actually adhere to that rule, fine.
But you know just as well that only a small percentage will bother paying for something they've already pirated. And your fringe case isn't enough to warrant all those millions who're just stealing.

PC games are going for €20-€35 at launch, you can get them on sale for €10-€15 within the year and €5-€10 after that . And this is still too much for some people? Screw them, bring on that unhackable DRM. They can pay or they can find another hobby.

 

[davie jambo]

love all these excuses from pirates , there is no excuse guys in any circumstance

DA:I still not been cracked

 

[Rakehellion]

Oh please, not all reviews are bought, not all youtubers are shills.

Some are, and certainly many of the biggest reviewers are. As a gamer, how can you tell the difference? Answer: You don't.

You can watch people streaming every new game live on youtube.

Looking at a game isn't the same as playing it. I might as well just watch the trailer.

Back in the '90's?
If you're frequently running into problems where a game won't even run, I'm pretty sure the problem is your system.

I gave several examples in this thread.

Now, if we're including errors not caused by DRM, like Call of Duty arbitrarily rejecting dual-core systems or Assassin's Creed being unplayable on 90% of computers, we can multiply those problems manifold.

But you know just as well

Source?

PC games are going for €20-€35 at launch, you can get them on sale for €10-€15 within the year and €5-€10 after that . And this is still too much for some people? Screw them, bring on that unhackable DRM. They can pay or they can find another hobby.

Like I said, I will not buy a game that I haven't played, not even for 99 cents. With the hundreds of games out there all pining for my hard-earned dollar, that money adds up.

 

[tential]

I don't really blame AC Unity. It says right there on the spec sheet that the minimum GPU
is an HD 7970 or a GTX 680.
Recommended GTX 780/R9 290x.

Most peopel having issues with that game are running far belong recommended hardware.... AC Unity made it clear, if you don't own a flagship GPU, or a K Processor/Flagship Processor, don't purchase our game.

The game running on hardware below that? Cool, but I'm not purchasing it even if it does. They designed a game for only a few people to play, screw em.

 

[Rakehellion]

I don't really blame AC Unity. It says right there on the spec sheet that the minimum GPU
is an HD 7970 or a GTX 680.
Recommended GTX 780/R9 290x.

Most peopel having issues with that game are running far belong recommended hardware.... AC Unity made it clear, if you don't own a flagship GPU, or a K Processor/Flagship Processor, don't purchase our game.

The game running on hardware below that? Cool, but I'm not purchasing it even if it does. They designed a game for only a few people to play, screw em.

What about the fact that the game gets about 20fps on a GTX 780? Should I go even faster?

What about the glitches that make the game unplayable? Are those caused by slow hardware too?

 

[davie jambo]

It's just a rubbish game that they rushed out the door. Why get angry about it ? Just don't buy it

 

[tential]

What about the fact that the game gets about 20fps on a GTX 780? Should I go even faster?

What about the glitches that make the game unplayable? Are those caused by slow hardware too?

Day 1 bug that was fixed (There are others of course that aren't lol)
And GTX 780 gets like 50 FPS man( My HD7950 gets 26 fps here.... a game that at 1080p/noAA and I can't even hit above 30 FPS? k....)

That said, you can find a whole thread on AC Unity over on the GPU section where we've all bashed that horrendous game for it's terrible optimization.
Wouldn't purchase that game even at $5 right now. That's a case study for why I don't just purchase games and trust the company to make sure it runs well.

No need to preach to the choir on AC Unity, I've already written paragraph after paragraph on why that game was horrendous (Engine/Performance wise).

No game should have minimum specs that high and look that bad.

 

[Slappy00]

Here's the thing about piracy and DRM. (My opinions of course)

Most of the folks who were going to pirate the game are not gonna magically buy the game when DRM is somehow full-proof (The Witcher folks now this, and acted accordingly).

For the most part Steam and others like it have made video gaming affordable to people with economic reasons for not purchasing (I get most of my games for <$20). At some point the price of the game is equal or less than the effort and time required to keep up with cracks as well as restoring or patching COOP or other net features.

This leaves you with the small amount of Hax0rs who won't pay for anything because that's for "suckers", "try before you buy" folks (who i feel is largely the former group pretending to have a motivation other than getting things for free), and "no DRM" idealists who download cracked games out of principal. It's just easier to write those three groups off as a cost of doing business and focus on making your game work well for those who pay. The way to fight this in my opinion is to have extra features and benefits to folks who pay for their license and leave the others with something with less features.

 

[PrincessFrosty]

Saying you can't find any reliable info on the vastness of the internet is just ridiculous.

Its determining if it's reliable or not and when good reviewers go bad, it doesn't need to be all info is unreliable, that's a straw man of my position, I never said all info was unreliable.

Back in the '90's?
If you're frequently running into problems where a game won't even run, I'm pretty sure the problem is your system.

Again this is just a straw man, it doesn't need to be bug that doesn't make the game run, just something that breaks a core mechanic, causes performance issues so bad it's unplayable. And yes I've had lots of game breaking bugs over the years, and no it's nothing to do with my specific system, I've worked in IT for 15 years now, I keep my gaming rig in great condition.

That's great in theory, and if you actually adhere to that rule, fine.
But you know just as well that only a small percentage will bother paying for something they've already pirated. And your fringe case isn't enough to warrant all those millions who're just stealing.

Piracy isn't theft.

Other peoples actions aren't reason to judge me or other moral gamers.

Your analysis simply isn't supported by the evidence, the evidence shows that pirates of media spend way more on legit media than non-pirates, it's simply not accurate to say they pirate games and then don't bother paying for it.

The fairly mediocre sales of games like DAI, and FIFA 15 not really doing any better than 14 despite having copy protection that works for a month or so is good evidence that people pirate instead of buying.

Yes some people pirate and never give anything to the development companies despite being able to afford to, they're complete assholes, there's no evidence that this represents a large portion of pirates. I've pirated stuff for years, I have a steam account with 480 games, stuff that is good and more importantly works well I support, as should everyone.