Denuvo Anti-Tamper (anti-piracy solution)

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davie jambo

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The funny thing about our beloved anti-piracy crusaders on moral high horses is they don't actually have any proven idea to make devs earn more profit which is the ENTIRE POINT of running a business instead they keep rambling in circles around morality red herrings, while Steam has done infinitely a whole lot more on that with enormously successful pricing and ecosystem strategies.

Maybe make every game online only which will stop the pirates for good

That way if you want a game you have to buy it , which would make more profit for publishers and developers
 

StrangerGuy

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Maybe make every game online only which will stop the pirates for good

That way if you want a game you have to buy it , which would make more profit for publishers and developers

Good luck with that when Blizzard themselves said ~50% bought SC2 solely for the single player.

Next!
 

davie jambo

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Good luck with that when Blizzard themselves said ~50% bought SC2 solely for the single player.

Next!

Well it would stop the pirates , which should be the number one aim

All PC gamers should have a good internet connection or they would be as well as buying a console
 

Jodell88

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Maybe make every game online only which will stop the pirates for good

That way if you want a game you have to buy it , which would make more profit for publishers and developers
LOL!!! This has proven time and again to be a horrible idea.
 

davie jambo

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So if you live out in the sticks you should just never play a game on PC? Got it.

Even places "out in the sticks" can have a good internet connection

I would support a move to have all PC games online only in an effort to stop PC piracy once and for all
 

ControlD

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Even places "out in the sticks" can have a good internet connection

I would support a move to have all PC games online only in an effort to stop PC piracy once and for all

lol, no they don't. I have plenty of co-workers here that have, at best, slow DSL connections. There isn't anything else available.
 

StrangerGuy

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LOL!!! This has proven time and again to be a horrible idea.

Yeah, let's deny features to potential customers so we can spite pirates in the face who would never give us money anyway! Let's go one step further: Not make the game in the first place so pirates can't even win! That's all that matters right?



Even places "out in the sticks" can have a good internet connection

I would support a move to have all PC games online only in an effort to stop PC piracy once and for all

You are a self-proven idiot. Period.
 

RussianSensation

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Even places "out in the sticks" can have a good internet connection

I would support a move to have all PC games online only in an effort to stop PC piracy once and for all

What an ignorant point of view that assumes the rest of the world has stable and fast internet connection too. What happens when the developer stops paying for servers to support that game? Can never play it again? Good one. Making statements such as piracy is bad and should be stopped does nothing to help us understand why piracy exists. Once Denuvo style DRM is broken we are back to the same spot of piracy. So you haven't solved the main problem. All you've done is bought yourself 15-45 more days until your DRM is cracked and piracy starts all over again.
 
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davie jambo

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Yeah, let's deny features to potential customers so we can spite pirates in the face who would never give us money anyway! Let's go one step further: Not make the game in the first place so pirates can't even win! That's all that matters right?





You are a self-proven idiot. Period.

insults ? Because I suggested a way to beat piracy ? I would suggest that you are the idiot
 

davie jambo

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What an ignorant point of view that assumes the rest of the world has stable and fast internet connection too. What happens when the developer stops paying for servers to support that game? Can never play it again? Good one. Making statements such as piracy is bad and should be stopped does nothing to help us understand why piracy exists. Once Denuvo style DRM is broken we are back to the same spot of piracy. So you haven't solved the main problem. All you've done is bought yourself 15-45 more days until your DRM is broken and piracy starts all over again.

Piracy exists because some people would rather steal something that pay for it. That is wrong

You can have a stable and fast internet connection more or less anywhere in the developed world. It's not 2004 anymore

Nobody else has suggested a solution for it just thrown insults my way so far
 

BSim500

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You are a self-proven idiot. Period.
Agree 100%. It's almost like he can't think anything through. "Let's force all games developers to run expensive Diablo 3 style servers for every single game they make to spite pirates who wouldn't buy it anyway" = a huge net financial loss overall...
 

davie jambo

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Agree 100%. It's almost like he can't think anything through. "Let's force all games developers to run expensive Diablo 3 style servers for every single game they make to spite pirates who wouldn't buy it anyway" = a huge net financial loss overall...

And where is your solution smart pants ?

I bet you are in the "remove all DRM " camp that works so well. I mean look how little witcher 2 was pirated
 

StrangerGuy

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Agree 100%. It's almost like he can't think anything through. "Let's force all games developers to run expensive Diablo 3 style servers for every single game they make to spite pirates who wouldn't buy it anyway" = a huge net financial loss overall...

How much money Blizzard didn't make solely due to lack of offline? I guess a lot, and it's a claim that is much more grounded to reality than whatever piracy "loss" if D3 had it in the first place.
 

BSim500

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And where is your solution smart pants ?

I bet you are in the "remove all DRM " camp that works so well. I mean look how little witcher 2 was pirated
My "solution" starts with not driving away paying customers in order to spite non-paying ones. As for the Witcher 2, it's one of the most popular selling games on GOG (as is DRM-free Divinity Original Sin & Witcher 3 pre-orders). So much for "everyone will steal it unless it comes laden with at least 5 layers of DRM"...
 

davie jambo

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My "solution" starts with not driving away paying customers in order to spite non-paying ones. As for the Witcher 2, it's one of the most popular selling games on GOG (as is DRM-free Divinity Original Sin & Witcher 3 pre-orders). So much for "everyone will steal it unless it comes laden with at least 5 layers of DRM"...

Oh so you are in the "remove all DRM" camp

Witcher 2 is also one of the most pirated games of all time , so you're way does not work either

Next !
 

Jodell88

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Oh so you are in the "remove all DRM" camp

Witcher 2 is also one of the most pirated games of all time , so you're way does not work either

Next !
Ummm. The Witcher 2 had DRM, and the DRM version was the pirated version.

Try again!
 

ControlD

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And where is your solution smart pants ?

I bet you are in the "remove all DRM " camp that works so well. I mean look how little witcher 2 was pirated

Perhaps the answer is that there simply is no solution to the given problem.

I have no real issue with Denuvo style DRM. It is unobtrusive, requires nothing from me.

Making every game online is going too far. You buy a game, the company goes under and all of the sudden you are left with perfectly good running code that can no longer be authorized and is thus rendered useless. Or, after a few years a larger company decides it is no longer profitable to keep the authorization servers running for a particular title so they pull the plug. You are simply punishing those people that actually paid for the game. Who is to say that always online makes a game immune to pirates? I'm sure servers can be spoofed.

As long is things cost money people will try to steal it. There is no fix for that. I'm OK for companies trying to protect their interests up until the point that it penalizes the honest, paying customer. Always online is far into that area.
 

BSim500

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How much money Blizzard didn't make solely due to lack of offline? I guess a lot, and it's a claim that is much more grounded to reality than whatever piracy "loss" if D3 had it in the first place.
The only thing Diablo 3's lack of offline play did for me was convince me to buy Torchlight (and replay Diablo 2 with widescreen patch) instead.

Witcher 2 is also one of the most pirated games of all time , so you're way does not work either
As pointed out, the Witcher 2 went DRM-free because it originally had DRM and it was those DRM versions that were most pirated. So your point (as usual) is completely back to front as to your definition of "success"...

There is no "magic solution" to piracy (even DAI now appears to be cracked), yet you seem almost determined to screw over paying customers in your crusade to "get back" at the pirates as some emotional 'victory'. Aside from the fact demanding every game end up like Diablo 3 in having expensive "game world" servers that cost far more to run than the dev will ever get back from the minority of pirates who would buy it full price rather than just steal something else, what you're proposing isn't even a purchase - it's just a glorified time-limited rental (at full price) that will run only as long as the developer wants to bear the cost. As soon as player numbers falls below a set value (and "cost per player" rises), they'll hit the off switch and the game will be unplayable for everyone...
 

bystander36

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At one point there was no law against drinking and driving. In fact, in some countries you can drink and drive a reasonable amount while in others you can't drive for 24 hours after even 1 drink. Laws change all the time:

https://torrentfreak.com/swiss-govt-downloading-movies-and-music-will-stay-legal-111202/

Sometimes piracy is good. For example, hearing an artist on YouTube or downloading a couple songs and then you actually go to a concert and pay $60-200 to see them and then later pay $ for FLAC files of their songs. Free exposure can be good for musicians long-term. It's like a game demo or taking a car for a test drive before you buy it. Imagine if you were asked to pay $ to demo a game or test drive a car? Most game companies stopped free game demos because they know most of their games are boring, rehashed sequels and glitchy. It's better for them to market the game with pre-order bonuses to hide how avg or even poor the game is.

I know lots of people who download free electronica music but then go to a lot of concerts of the same artists. The artists make far more off the concerts than off music CD sales. I am not trying to promote piracy but people who say in all cases piracy is 100% worse don't know the facts. There are plenty of gamers who try out a pirated game and then buy the full version or buy the full version and get the no CD pirated crack without DRM.

I do not believe that changes the fact that it is still black and white when it comes to being right or wrong. Just because in some cases it can be helpful, doesn't make it right.

I think all you did was promote the idea of giving out demos. And in the case of all your music examples, the pirating lead to them buying other things related to what they pirated. I'm not sure how that would relate to a game, there are no game concerts to go to.
 

tential

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Even places "out in the sticks" can have a good internet connection

I would support a move to have all PC games online only in an effort to stop PC piracy once and for all

I'm moving out to the Midwest and struggling to find a place with Internet even remotely as good as my fiber optic line i have in The north east.
 

StrangerGuy

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I do not believe that changes the fact that it is still black and white when it comes to being right or wrong. Just because in some cases it can be helpful, doesn't make it right.

I think all you did was promote the idea of giving out demos. And in the case of all your music examples, the pirating lead to them buying other things related to what they pirated. I'm not sure how that would relate to a game, there are no game concerts to go to.

Bolded = irrelevant.

Look, you can argue about morality to feel good all day long and pirates are still going to pirate. Or, you can be smart about the whole thing and convert pirates into paying customers by offering a better product than pirated versions at compelling prices like what Steam is doing. Actually making money or earning only brownie points, the choice is clear.
 
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