Denver Protests

[pauldun170]

This case has me all sorts of curious.
Is slapping someone and macing them enough cause for them to defend themselves with deadly force?

In most other cases where I side with taking the shot, they were either being pursued, in a sustained attack, being pinned, or facing a greater threat.

This seems like a case where a warning (brandishing) would be a better outcome than just pulling a gun out and killing someone out of the blue. But then I've never experienced pepper spray or mace. I don't know how harmful it is.

Then again, I think most States (if not all?) give zero regard for warnings... and outright make it illegal to brandish. AKA the Saint Louis couple facing charges. It is more criminal to brandish and warn people off than to simply pull out the weapon and kill them. Thanks Government.

Back to the case.... hitting someone with that spray should certainly be an illegal and criminal act, in addition to to the physical assault. So we do have multiple sustained assaults going on from the person who was shot. I remain conflicted at seeing use of the gun being the first act of self defense in this case. Seems wrong.

Depends on your occupation.
If you are an accountant, then slapping you and spraying you with mace is a misdemeanor.
If you are a plumber, then slapping you is a felony assault with a deadly weapon and as a protected class the perpetrator must serve a 10 years minimum.

Above were random occupations picked out of the hat
Insert relevant occupation as needed

In all seriousness
Watch the vieo and note the amount of time
An individual is surrounded by an armed group. A member of that group that is clearly holding a weapon (Pepper Spray is considered a weapon) approaches someone...strikes them and then uses a weapon on them.

The guy approached the confrontation with no weapon drawn and was struck

After striking he steps back and reaches for his weapon. The assailanrt already has his weapon in hand

Both pull weapons

 

[SteveGrabowski]

I'm sure someone will say something similar should it happen to you.

I don't go get up in peoples' faces and start assaulting them because they pissed me off, I'm not twelve years old.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

This case has me all sorts of curious.
Is slapping someone and macing them enough cause for them to defend themselves with deadly force?

In most other cases where I side with taking the shot, they were either being pursued, in a sustained attack, being pinned, or facing a greater threat.

This seems like a case where a warning (brandishing) would be a better outcome than just pulling a gun out and killing someone out of the blue. But then I've never experienced pepper spray or mace. I don't know how harmful it is.

Then again, I think most States (if not all?) give zero regard for warnings... and outright make it illegal to brandish. AKA the Saint Louis couple facing charges. It is more criminal to brandish and warn people off than to simply pull out the weapon and kill them. Thanks Government.

Back to the case.... hitting someone with that spray should certainly be an illegal and criminal act, in addition to to the physical assault. So we do have multiple sustained assaults going on from the person who was shot. I remain conflicted at seeing use of the gun being the first act of self defense in this case. Seems wrong.

It's not a little canister of mace like you squirt in someone's eyes, it's a can of bear spray meant to quickly take down a 500-600 pound grizzly bear that's charging you at 20-30 mph. I buy those cans when I go hiking in Montana and Wyoming since global warming is destroying grizzly food sources up there and making them a lot more aggressive.

 

[purbeast0]

I don't care what your political beliefs are or who is involved, but if you think it's okay to kill someone because they sprayed pepper spray in your direction, I disagree 100%.

 

[JEDIYoda]

the security guard could have spit at his assail;ant, before shooting.....in an attempt to deescalate!!

 

[SteveGrabowski]

I don't care what your political beliefs are or who is involved, but if you think it's okay to kill someone because they sprayed pepper spray in your direction, I disagree 100%.

I wouldn't have shot him either unless it comes out he was reaching for the guard's gun or perhaps his own, but you go stick your prick in a beehive and get stung and I won't say it's surprising.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

Trumptard wanted to play gangster against a guy who was there for good reason, namely to protect the press, and got lit up in what will likely be deemed a justifiable homicide since the security guard was assaulted twice by the Darwin Award winner.

 

[pauldun170]

I don't care what your political beliefs are or who is involved, but if you think it's okay to kill someone because they sprayed pepper spray in your direction, I disagree 100%.

This is America
It is generally accepted that stealing garden tools is punishable by death.

 

[sportage]

Gawd.... is this the MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN that they wanted? That Trump wanted?

It occurs to me...
WHAT A PISSER it would be to lose ones life DURING and BECAUSE of DONALD TRUMP, or from the rantings of DONALD TRUMP, or from someone who supports DONALD TRUMP. Surely, there are MUCH BETTER reasons to lose ones life other than because of a complete total asshole president and or his asshole followers???? How about sacrificing ones life in saving a child from a burning building? Or sacrificing ones life in battle against communist and evil. Or sacrificing ones life by donating a kidney to a dying family member? BUT.... sacrificing ones life for DONALD TRUMP?
F*** me Louise.

 

[zzyzxroad]

Gawd.... is this the MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN that they wanted? That Trump wanted?

It occurs to me...
WHAT A PISSER it would be to lose ones life DURING and BECAUSE of DONALD TRUMP, or from the rantings of DONALD TRUMP, or from someone who supports DONALD TRUMP. Surely, there are MUCH BETTER reasons to lose ones life other than because of a complete total asshole president and or his asshole followers???? How about sacrificing ones life in saving a child from a burning building? Or sacrificing ones life in battle against communist and evil. Or sacrificing ones life by donating a kidney to a dying family member? BUT.... sacrificing ones life for DONALD TRUMP?
F*** me Louise.

For trump sadly it is. This is how fascists win. They drive a violent wedge between people and then use military power to maintain law and order.

Has trump ever made a non-divisive move as president? It's his thing.


People are on edge because of the pandemic and instead or doing the normal thing and uniting us, he doubles down on dividing us.

 

[Starbuck1975]

That's how it goes. When you do risky things you sometimes come out on the short side of the odds. To me, the sad thing is that it was all for nothing. There was no win here for anyone, there was no possible gain from any outcome. Maybe proving that you have the biggest swinging dick in the state is worth the risk to some folks, sure as hell it isn't worth it to me.

One man’s Darwin award winner is another man’s martyr. It’s quite telling how quickly the narratives flip. I fear we will have more and not less of these outcomes.

 

[Greenman]

One man’s Darwin award winner is another man’s martyr. It’s quite telling how quickly the narratives flip. I fear we will have more and not less of these outcomes.

Seems likely.

 

[Puffnstuff]

Well Mr Trump they're standing back and standing by and apparently standing up in people's faces with offensive behavior too but you don't care. MAGA in motion.

 

[ivwshane]

What is obvious is that we need more guns. There just aren't enough responsible gun owners going to the rallies.



/eye roll

 

[zinfamous]

I don't care what your political beliefs are or who is involved, but if you think it's okay to kill someone because they sprayed pepper spray in your direction, I disagree 100%.

well, bear spray isn't just pepper spray. You can take off face with those things.

 

[Jhhnn]

For trump sadly it is. This is how fascists win. They drive a violent wedge between people and then use military power to maintain law and order.

Has trump ever made a non-divisive move as president? It's his thing.


People are on edge because of the pandemic and instead or doing the normal thing and uniting us, he doubles down on dividing us.

Of course. The objective is to create enough chaos to justify authoritarian takeover. His chances of winning the election being what they are, it's his only play left, and only if it's really close. I don't think it will be at all.

 

[Jaskalas]

It's not a little canister of mace like you squirt in someone's eyes, it's a can of bear spray meant to quickly take down a 500-600 pound grizzly bear that's charging you at 20-30 mph. I buy those cans when I go hiking in Montana and Wyoming since global warming is destroying grizzly food sources up there and making them a lot more aggressive.

"take down a grizzly", what does that even mean?
Does it stop you from breathing?
Is it assault with a deadly weapon?

 

[SteveGrabowski]

"take down a grizzly", what does that even mean?
Does it stop you from breathing?
Is it assault with a deadly weapon?

It means drop a grizzly charging at you and make it turn away and run.

 

[senseamp]

Good shot. Photography and subject.

 

[pauldun170]

One man’s Darwin award winner is another man’s martyr. It’s quite telling how quickly the narratives flip. I fear we will have more and not less of these outcomes.

Imagine if the shooter was a tiny attractive blond white women and the asshole dude was a black guy.

This would be an entirely different thread.

 

[UNCjigga]

Curious to know what this guard’s employer (Pinkerton) and client (news channel) will say about this shooting. You bet your ass they’ll be taken to court in a wrongful death lawsuit. Based on shooter’s pro-Antifa/anti-Trump social media posts I this Arkansas Patriot’s friends/family will argue he should have never been employed as a security guard due to “violent leftist ideology.”

The deceased’s mom is already getting on the Fox News interview circuit.

 

[TheVrolok]

I don't care what your political beliefs are or who is involved, but if you think it's okay to kill someone because they sprayed pepper spray in your direction, I disagree 100%.

Playing Devil's advocate, what happens after being maced by the armed violent group of white supremacists? Should one allow himself to be incapacitated in a potentially life threatening situation? Don't forget, generally legally all he needs is a reasonable fear (big assumption, I don't know Denver/COs specific laws).

Too many fucking nuts and too many fucking guns.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Playing Devil's advocate, what happens after being maced by the armed violent group of white supremacists? Should one allow himself to be incapacitated in a potentially life threatening situation? Don't forget, generally legally all he needs is a reasonable fear (big assumption, I don't know Denver/COs specific laws).

Too many fucking nuts and too many fucking guns.

Yes, this is the next thing in your head. Tensions are high, adrenaline pumping, you just been punched (slapped?), and what's going to happen after your incapacitated by pepper spray.

People in our country have been legally killed for less

 

[Grooveriding]

It's not a little canister of mace like you squirt in someone's eyes, it's a can of bear spray meant to quickly take down a 500-600 pound grizzly bear that's charging you at 20-30 mph. I buy those cans when I go hiking in Montana and Wyoming since global warming is destroying grizzly food sources up there and making them a lot more aggressive.

Want to mention that bear spray is not only significantly weaker than pepper spray is. They both use capsaicim, but bear spray is a weaker concentration. It also dispenses in a large cloud, where pepper spray is a concentrated stream.

Pepper spray largely incapacitates a person, while bear spray is more of an irritant against humans.

 

[TheVrolok]

Want to mention that bear spray is not only significantly weaker than pepper spray is. They both use capsaicim, but bear spray is a weaker concentration. It also dispenses in a large cloud, where pepper spray is a concentrated stream.

Pepper spray largely incapacitates a person, while bear spray is more of an irritant against humans.

Details are somewhat irrelevant right, though? All that matters is what the shooter's understanding of what being "bear maced" meant at that time.

As I said earlier, too many nuts and too many guns. However, our country has already firmly decided it gives no fucks about either of those problems so I'm not sure why this even makes news.