Yeah, its not exactly the case here but I wouldn't want to be incapacitated by pepper spray so that I couldn't defend myself or even run away effectively when an angry mob was advancing on me. Police use that stuff for a reason.
Playing Devil's advocate, what happens after being maced by the armed violent group of white supremacists? Should one allow himself to be incapacitated in a potentially life threatening situation? Don't forget, generally legally all he needs is a reasonable fear (big assumption, I don't know Denver/COs specific laws).
Too many fucking nuts and too many fucking guns.
This case has me all sorts of curious.
Is slapping someone and macing them enough cause for them to defend themselves with deadly force?
In most other cases where I side with taking the shot, they were either being pursued, in a sustained attack, being pinned, or facing a greater threat.
This seems like a case where a warning (brandishing) would be a better outcome than just pulling a gun out and killing someone out of the blue. But then I've never experienced pepper spray or mace. I don't know how harmful it is.
Then again, I think most States (if not all?) give zero regard for warnings... and outright make it illegal to brandish. AKA the Saint Louis couple facing charges. It is more criminal to brandish and warn people off than to simply pull out the weapon and kill them. Thanks Government.
Back to the case.... hitting someone with that spray should certainly be an illegal and criminal act, in addition to to the physical assault. So we do have multiple sustained assaults going on from the person who was shot. I remain conflicted at seeing use of the gun being the first act of self defense in this case. Seems wrong.
Yes, under that scenario, it would be an entirely different thread, but not for the reasons you think.Imagine if the shooter was a tiny attractive blond white women and the asshole dude was a black guy.
This would be an entirely different thread.
Absolutely.I have no doubt that if the average citizen bear sprayed a police officer and was shot for this troubles it would instantly be declared a good shoot.
The “white community” is not homogenous, and while far right fringe groups have some similarities, an anti-government libertarian in Vermont is not necessarily politically motivated by the same things as say a pro police military veteran in Michigan. Law enforcement is the appropriate mechanism to monitor and contain fringe groups who escalate from dangerous rhetoric to overt violent acts and lawlessness.I'm going to bypass all the pointless discussion of legal minutia and disengenuius ramblings of people who are historically fine with crap like this when it suits them.
I'm going to instead focus on the important questions if when the white community is going to step up and control these violent thugs?
From a violent thuggish mob attacking a guy who was there to support a soup kitchen to old fat white men assualting random people on the street to white men killing people with guns instead of embracing random slaps and bear spray facials with love and thoughts and prayers and stuff....
Blm exists because of proof that law enforcement regularly supports and fraternizes with white thuggery.The “white community” is not homogenous, and while far right fringe groups have some similarities, an anti-government libertarian in Vermont is not necessarily politically motivated by the same things as say a pro police military veteran in Michigan. Law enforcement is the appropriate mechanism to monitor and contain fringe groups who escalate from dangerous rhetoric to overt violent acts and lawlessness.
There has also been a response in support of police, as the protests, rather than focus on specific policy objectives and political action, degraded into convoluted anarchy, generic anti-Trump sentiments and unfocused political partisanship.Blm exists because of proof that law enforcement regularly supports and fraternizes with white thuggery.
Go to any of these white thug rallies and you will see leos chatting it up and egging them on.
Want police escort? Toss up a blue lives matter flag and call a buddy.
So if local departments and their unions are cozy with white thuggery, maybe the fed should ....
Oh yeah. DOJ is more concerned about election campaigns at the moment
There has also been a response in support of police, as the protests, rather than focus on specific policy objectives and political action, degraded into convoluted anarchy, generic anti-Trump sentiments and unfocused political partisanship.
The “white community” was actively listening until the woke white people started rioting."Rather than focus on specific policy objectives and political action"
White community trashed that as soon as the first black guy pointed out a pattern and the need to rethink things.
Want to mention that bear spray is not only significantly weaker than pepper spray is. They both use capsaicim, but bear spray is a weaker concentration. It also dispenses in a large cloud, where pepper spray is a concentrated stream.
Pepper spray largely incapacitates a person, while bear spray is more of an irritant against humans.
The “white community” was actively listening until the woke white people started rioting.
The “white community” is not homogenous, and while far right fringe groups have some similarities, an anti-government libertarian in Vermont is not necessarily politically motivated by the same things as say a pro police military veteran in Michigan. Law enforcement is the appropriate mechanism to monitor and contain fringe groups who escalate from dangerous rhetoric to overt violent acts and lawlessness.
The response to Burr’s monologue kind of proved his point.
Doesn’t make them any less fringe. Trump isn’t commanding much of anything at this point, and it was the Feds that stopped the plot in Michigan.Far right fringe groups? They're being commanded by the freaking president.
Doesn’t make them any less fringe. Trump isn’t commanding much of anything at this point, and it was the Feds that stopped the plot in Michigan.
What response?The response to Burr’s monologue kind of proved his point.
Imagine that being the cause you died for? Now contemplate the environment and conditions that makes people susceptible to it.It's all part of a deep state conspiracy to bring down the greatest President who ever lived & discredit all the true Patriots who stand ready to defend his God given right to hold the office. I'm sure the dead guy in Denver probably believed it.
Do a news search for Bill Burr. Certainly a lot of concern that he had the audacity to go into SNL and challenge instead of play to the crowd. Did you agree with his monologue?What response?
Tweets?
How many responses?