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MrSquished

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Do a news search for Bill Burr. Certainly a lot of concern that he had the audacity to go into SNL and challenge instead of play to the crowd. Did you agree with his monologue?

I read about his monologue and it was fine. But I'll take the woke white women over the racist/xenophobic or evangelical lunatics any day of the week and twice on Sundays. If enough woke white women show up to the polls this year, Trump is toast.
 

MrSquished

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I tried to order some pepper gel spray and turns out my state of NJ does not allow most of those products to be shipped here. Stupid liberal law I disagree with. Had to have my friend in Colorado order it and then ship to me.
 

ch33zw1z

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I tried to order some pepper gel spray and turns out my state of NJ does not allow most of those products to be shipped here. Stupid liberal law I disagree with. Had to have my friend in Colorado order it and then ship to me.

You should be able to buy what's allowed in state. There's rules for what you're allowed to have. If those rules arent followed, you may find yourself in legal trouble after defending yourself.
 

MrSquished

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You should be able to buy what's allowed in state. There's rules for what you're allowed to have. If those rules arent followed, you may find yourself in legal trouble after defending yourself.

It says under 3/4 of an ounce, over 18, and not if you are a felon - and this particular product was .67 ounces of Sabre pepper gel spray and Amazon would not ship to me, nor would Sabre. I want the gel formulation as it doesn't blowback on you as much as the spray, with a belt clip. So I figured I'll be fine, don't want to try to track down this exact product in a brick and mortar.
 

ch33zw1z

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It says under 3/4 of an ounce, over 18, and not if you are a felon - and this particular product was .67 ounces of Sabre pepper gel spray and Amazon would not ship to me, nor would Sabre. I want the gel formulation as it doesn't blowback on you as much as the spray, with a belt clip. So I figured I'll be fine, don't want to try to track down this exact product in a brick and mortar.

Cool man, just figured I'd say it!
 

MrSquished

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Cool man, just figured I'd say it!

No doubt. Thanks. Still I'd have preferred a slightly bigger size as well but the law is dumb. And the shipping restrictions wouldn't be in place if it weren't for the rules. I'll have to email my local state rep voicing my displeasure.
 
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Vic

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Imagine that being the cause you died for? Now contemplate the environment and conditions that makes people susceptible to it.
This is a tremendous amount of concern for a member of one of the most violent criminal biker gangs in the US.

As for the environment and conditions, those are obvious. Partisans use "bothsides" to justify paranoia and violence, with logic like "the (other side) does it, so it's ok for us to do it." Which, for extremists, devolves into "we think the (other side) is going to do something, so we need to do it to them first" in a kind of sick "pre-emptive self-defense."
Where it gets really stupid are cases like this one, where the "comply or die" crowd, who normally claim that just looking wrong at LEO is sufficient grounds to be executed on the spot, starts debating whether or not suddenly deploying bear spray out of a holster is a credible threat.
 
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Jhhnn

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This is a tremendous amount of concern for a member of one of the most violent criminal biker gangs in the US.

As for the environment and conditions, those are obvious. Partisans use "bothsides" to justify paranoia and violence, with logic like "the (other side) does it, so it's ok for us to do it." Which, for extremists, devolves into "we think the (other side) is going to do something, so we need to do it to them first" in a kind of sick "pre-emptive self-defense."
Where it gets really stupid are cases like this one, where the "comply or die" crowd, who normally claim that just looking wrong at LEO is sufficient grounds to be executed on the spot, starts debating whether or not suddenly deploying bear spray out of a holster is a credible threat.

That's not accurate. Quinones, a member of the Sons of Silence was there & commented. The dead man apparently was not-

 

Vic

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That's not accurate. Quinones, a member of the Sons of Silence was there & commented. The dead man apparently was not-

Oops, my bad, misread the article.

I don't believe that he deserved to die any more than (for example) George Floyd did, which is why I reject the outrage being displayed from the same people who claim that Floyd's killing was justified.
 
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Starbuck1975

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I read about his monologue and it was fine. But I'll take the woke white women over the racist/xenophobic or evangelical lunatics any day of the week and twice on Sundays. If enough woke white women show up to the polls this year, Trump is toast.
Of course, but Trumpism is also a response to the insufferably woke. Neither really contributes to the political dialogue.
His bit was fine? What of it?
someone else introduced Burr into the discussion, ask them
 
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MrSquished

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Of course, but Trumpism is also a response to the insufferably woke. Neither really contributes to the political dialogue.
someone else introduced Burr into the discussion, ask them
Let's see. Trumpism gets us Trump, a cult of personality and authoritarianism with bigotry and hate getting a wink and a nod. Some overly woke folks could get us normalcy. I'm really on the fence here.
 
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cytg111

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That's the language of domestic abuse- "Look what you made me do!" Pure bullshit.
True. Also, if we are woke enough to realize that the wife beater dont possess the skill set to change on his own what are you gonna do?
I have this same argument with geek sometimes, for example, he will argue that people not wearing a mask is 100% on them and nothing falls on the shoulders of the president. Sure that is true. In principle. Its just not how leader ship works... or is supposed to work. There is a reason people are led, cause on our own we devolve into anarchy and doing massively stupid shit ad libitum...
 
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Starbuck1975

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That's the language of domestic abuse- "Look what you made me do!" Pure bullshit.
That is literally the argument you and others made when the protestors started assaulting the federal courthouse in Portland, triggered by the presence of the Feds. Look at what the little green men made us do! Glad you acknowledge that excuse was pure bvllshit.
 

Jhhnn

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That is literally the argument you and others made when the protestors started assaulting the federal courthouse in Portland, triggered by the presence of the Feds. Look at what the little green men made us do! Glad you acknowledge that excuse was pure bvllshit.

So dishonest. It wasn't the presence of the Feds. It was them snatching people off the street into unmarked vans blocks from the courthouse that triggered the reaction, exactly as intended by the Trump admin. It was the antifas that made them do it, right?
 

Meghan54

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That is literally the argument you and others made when the protestors started assaulting the federal courthouse in Portland, triggered by the presence of the Feds. Look at what the little green men made us do! Glad you acknowledge that excuse was pure bvllshit.

That's just wrong. Could you link up all those arguments that were made saying that so I can, too, be equally outraged? Thanks!!!
 

pauldun170

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Denver Post has released the frame by frame of the incident


Pretty straightforward.
Biker dude was the aggressor, struck the guy.
Republicans and NRA should be creaming their pants at the chance to defend the shooter who was victim of assault and had a weapon used on him prior to him firing.
 

Starbuck1975

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That's just wrong. Could you link up all those arguments that were made saying that so I can, too, be equally outraged? Thanks!!!

Well here are two where @Jhhnn makes that very argument. I fully expect you to move the goal posts.

Bullshit. Trump usurps the power of state & local authorities to deliberately provoke the people of Portland. DHS has no business deploying thugs against their wishes. If he can escalate to Portland being burned to the ground it will suit his purposes entirely.
It's even harder when the police provoke the citizens into taking to the streets. That's obviously Trump's intention entirely. He just needs something like the Reichstag fire to go all in. Remember the time federal officers cleared the street in front of St John's church so that Trump could hold up a bible? Like that. Just like that. We're lucky that the military wouldn't play into it. DHS obviously will, however.
 

Meghan54

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Well here are two where @Jhhnn makes that very argument. I fully expect you to move the goal posts.


As I thought......clueless, you are. Maybe even a bald faced hypocritical liar....still on the fence about the liar part. Certainly clueless or at a minimum willfully ignorant and proud of it. Just wanted to make sure your shit show hasn't changed at all....and it hasn't. Thanks for being consistent, if anything.
 

SteveGrabowski

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That is literally the argument you and others made when the protestors started assaulting the federal courthouse in Portland, triggered by the presence of the Feds. Look at what the little green men made us do! Glad you acknowledge that excuse was pure bvllshit.

Trump's Schutzstaffel was fucking kidnapping people off the streets.
 

Starbuck1975

Lifer
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As I thought......clueless, you are. Maybe even a bald faced hypocritical liar....still on the fence about the liar part. Certainly clueless or at a minimum willfully ignorant and proud of it. Just wanted to make sure your shit show hasn't changed at all....and it hasn't. Thanks for being consistent, if anything.
As I predicted, lol
 
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