Deployment Orders Revoked For Soldier Who Questioned Obama Birth

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TheSkinsFan

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Originally posted by: glenn1
Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan
Originally posted by: BarrySotero
What if 5000 other folks would like to clean latrines instead of going to get shot at by Taliban?
1. Kick them out of the service with a DIShonorable discharge, or
2. Put them in jail for refusing to follow orders and kick them out of the service with a DIShonorable discharge.

We should not tolerate cowardice or mutiny within our services.

As for this Major, he's a f'n idiot. My guess is that the Colonel he was going to work for decided that he didn't need a looneytunes O-4 screwing shit up in Afghanistan where real lives are on the line.

My guess is that some O-6 or O-7 simply said "Get that fucking dipshit off our roster."

Commissioned officers are subject to "dismissal" rather than dishonorable discharge. Will be interesting to see what type of discipline he's subject to however - based upon how this major behaved it'll be well-deserved whatever they decide.
You're right, but dismissals are generally considered the same as dishonorable discharges (I just didn't want to confuse the readers here). Most of the same penalties apply -- loss of VA benefits, cannot possess firearms, must disclose dismissal on job apps, etc.

If there were any discussion of actual charges, the only way the Major could avoid the dismissal would be to resign his commission prior to any charges being filed against him.

That said, I doubt there will be any real disciplinary actions taken against this idiot other than his being held at O-4 for the rest of his career. If he were one of my troops, however, I'd say "fuck it" and push strongly for his dismissal.

There's simply no room for political bullshit on the battlefield.
 

Modelworks

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He would have had a right to refuse if he had proof that the president was not the legitimate CiC. But since he can't provide that, all he has done is torpedo his career.
 

CitizenKain

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Why would our military deploy a certified idiot?

Ummm. Someone has to protect the valuable equipment with their bodies, might as well be stupid people.
 

Pens1566

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Originally posted by: Siddhartha
So, what will it take to convince these people that Mr Obama is a natural born citizen of the USA?

A DeLorean .... to allow them bedside witness to the birth.
 

EagleKeeper

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Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan
Originally posted by: glenn1
Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan
Originally posted by: BarrySotero
What if 5000 other folks would like to clean latrines instead of going to get shot at by Taliban?
1. Kick them out of the service with a DIShonorable discharge, or
2. Put them in jail for refusing to follow orders and kick them out of the service with a DIShonorable discharge.

We should not tolerate cowardice or mutiny within our services.

As for this Major, he's a f'n idiot. My guess is that the Colonel he was going to work for decided that he didn't need a looneytunes O-4 screwing shit up in Afghanistan where real lives are on the line.

My guess is that some O-6 or O-7 simply said "Get that fucking dipshit off our roster."

Commissioned officers are subject to "dismissal" rather than dishonorable discharge. Will be interesting to see what type of discipline he's subject to however - based upon how this major behaved it'll be well-deserved whatever they decide.
You're right, but dismissals are generally considered the same as dishonorable discharges (I just didn't want to confuse the readers here). Most of the same penalties apply -- loss of VA benefits, cannot possess firearms, must disclose dismissal on job apps, etc.

If there were any discussion of actual charges, the only way the Major could avoid the dismissal would be to resign his commission prior to any charges being filed against him.

That said, I doubt there will be any real disciplinary actions taken against this idiot other than his being held at O-4 for the rest of his career. If he were one of my troops, however, I'd say "fuck it" and push strongly for his dismissal.

There's simply no room for political bullshit on the battlefield.

He will have no more career. He will be seperated for the good of the service before the end of the year

 

CallMeJoe

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Originally posted by: waggy
so its ok to force a the senate to waste time deciding if McCain was a US born citizen? when any idiot can figure it out?

But having a investigation into Obama is wrong? when there is enough of a question to warrent it?

hypcrites on both sides make me sick.
There was an actual technical question of whether Senator McCain's birth in the Panama Canal Zone (a leased territory, not actual United States territory) qualified him as a Natural Born Citizen of the United States. Two Democratic Senators introduced a resolution expressing the position that Senator McCain was indeed a Natural Born Citizen, and was fully qualified to serve as President of the United States.
Please Note: the Senate was not challenging Senator McCain's citizenship, they were preemptively affirming it to eliminate the type of partisan lunacy we witness here.
 

Harvey

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Originally posted by: Modelworks

He would have had a right to refuse if he had proof that the president was not the legitimate CiC. But since he can't provide that, all he has done is torpedo his career.

See my previous post. Maj. Stefan Frederick Cook is an officer in the US Army Reserves who volunteered for active duty in Afghanistan. If all he wanted was to avoid shipping out to Afghanistan, it didn't require a law suit. As a volunteer, he had the right to rescind his request and back out of going at any time up to the time he was scheduled to report for active duty, which is why his orders were revoked.

The suit was a sham by Cook and his right wingnut shyster, Orly Taitz, in attempt to bring yet another challenge to the status of Obama's citizenship and the legality of his election. Cook is now on the fuzziest end of his own lollipop because his civilian gig WAS as a systems engineer for a Pentagon contractor. As such, his suit against the military has made him persona non grata at the Pentagon.

I said in my post, last night, that I had just heard this on Keith Olbermann's Countdown when he named the attorney, Orly Taitz, as number one in his "Worst Person In The World" segment.

But our winner, Obama birther and general nut bag Orley Tates (ph), who has now gotten another Obama birther person fired. We told you yesterday that Stefan Frederick Cook (ph), major, US Army Reserves, had his attorney, Tates, sue to get him out of assignment to Afghanistan. The claim was Obama?s not really the president, so he couldn?t really order anybody to serve anywhere.

One thing Ms. Tates never mentioned in publicizing the suit, Cook had volunteered for service in Afghanistan, and then sued to stop it. But as a volunteer, he could simply change his mind and the Army could not send him there. Meaning, the suit was a transparent political stunt.

The Army has already vacated Cook?s orders. He?s not going to Afghanistan. But what this dim bulb Tates, and what increasingly looks like her sap of a victim Cook did not consider was in civilian life, Cook is a systems engineer for a Pentagon contractor. Naturally enough, the Army, sued by a guy, has the right to say he is not welcome at Department of Defense facilities, which is exactly where Cook was working. Not anymore.

Major Cook, by now you must have gotten the hint that this obsession with a birth certificate already endorsed by one of your own whack job sites, World Net Daily, is clouding your judgment. It has become increasingly poor cover for your real issue with the Obama presidency. Steer out of the skid. See if you can give that advice to, if after costing you your job she hasn?t gone into hiding, Orley Tates, tonight?s worst person in the world!

I'm sorry if this bozo has dependents relying on his job, but in this case, I have to laugh because, along with his attorney, he really brought all of this on himself. :laugh:

And birth certificate deniers, get over your dumbass selves. You can piss and moan all you want, but it's fscking settled law. Obama is a natural born American citizen and President of the United States of America. You have a better chance of electing a dipshit like Allen Keys President by next week than you do of overturning Obama's election or citizenship.

And B.S. -- You really should do your homework before posting B.S. like that. If the best you can muster for source material is World NUT Daily, your reality check didn't just bounce. Your account is severely overdrawn. :laugh:
 

Uhtrinity

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I can just see the next WND Headline: Obama oversteps his boundaries by barring a civilian from a Department of Defense job. Ex Major Cook says, "I was only expressing my 1st Amendment rights when Obama ruined my military career as well as my contract job."

On the birth certificate, that is a state issue; Hawaii certified his birth certificate, case closed. Funny how states rights are only important as long you agree what decisions the states are making.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: Uhtrinity
I can just see the next WND Headline: Obama oversteps his boundaries by barring a civilian from a Department of Defense job. Ex Major Cook says, "I was only expressing my 1st Amendment rights when Obama ruined my military career as well as my contract job."
And you can bet Barry the Whackjob would create a thread about it.
 

AndrewR

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Originally posted by: MotF Bane
Originally posted by: Siddhartha
So, what will it take to convince these people that Mr Obama is a natural born citizen of the USA?

Nothing ever will.

Well, if they would release the long form of the President's birth certificate, I think it would clear up most of the questions from the conspiracy crowd. I'm not giving any credence to the theories surrounding his citizenship, but I'm curious why that hasn't been done already to shut these people up.
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: AndrewR
Originally posted by: MotF Bane
Originally posted by: Siddhartha
So, what will it take to convince these people that Mr Obama is a natural born citizen of the USA?

Nothing ever will.

Well, if they would release the long form of the President's birth certificate, I think it would clear up most of the questions from the conspiracy crowd. I'm not giving any credence to the theories surrounding his citizenship, but I'm curious why that hasn't been done already to shut these people up.

Many states, including Hawaii, do not issue a 'long form' birth certificate. Those comes from the hospitals and are NOT legal documents.

And why should the Obama administration want to shut the birthers up? Their paranoid blatherings actually help to increase his support.
 

AndrewR

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Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: AndrewR
Originally posted by: MotF Bane
Originally posted by: Siddhartha
So, what will it take to convince these people that Mr Obama is a natural born citizen of the USA?

Nothing ever will.

Well, if they would release the long form of the President's birth certificate, I think it would clear up most of the questions from the conspiracy crowd. I'm not giving any credence to the theories surrounding his citizenship, but I'm curious why that hasn't been done already to shut these people up.

Many states, including Hawaii, do not issue a 'long form' birth certificate. Those comes from the hospitals and are NOT legal documents.

And why should the Obama administration want to shut the birthers up? Their paranoid blatherings actually help to increase his support.

Hawaii actually does have the "long form" -- it's simply a separate application instead of the Certification of Live Birth which the Obama campaign released last year. (Yes, I did look into this issue because I hadn't realized it had taken on a life of its own.) I'm somewhat familiar with this issue otherwise since my daughter was born in China. We had to deal with some of this paperwork already.
 

CitizenKain

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Originally posted by: AndrewR
Originally posted by: MotF Bane
Originally posted by: Siddhartha
So, what will it take to convince these people that Mr Obama is a natural born citizen of the USA?

Nothing ever will.

Well, if they would release the long form of the President's birth certificate, I think it would clear up most of the questions from the conspiracy crowd. I'm not giving any credence to the theories surrounding his citizenship, but I'm curious why that hasn't been done already to shut these people up.

No, it really won't. The birthers cannot be made to see reason, there is no way they would ever believe anything you showed them.
 

CallMeJoe

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Originally posted by: CitizenKain
Originally posted by: AndrewR
Originally posted by: MotF Bane
Originally posted by: Siddhartha
So, what will it take to convince these people that Mr Obama is a natural born citizen of the USA?
Nothing ever will.
Well, if they would release the long form of the President's birth certificate, I think it would clear up most of the questions from the conspiracy crowd. I'm not giving any credence to the theories surrounding his citizenship, but I'm curious why that hasn't been done already to shut these people up.
No, it really won't. The birthers cannot be made to see reason, there is no way they would ever believe anything you showed them.
The legitimate birth certificate from the State of Hawaii has been released and examined, and all we hear from the Lunatic Fringe is "Photoshopped!"
Staffers from Snopes have stated that they have seen and handled the original document, but it just is never enough...
 

WHAMPOM

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Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: KMFJD
Originally posted by: BarrySotero
Originally posted by: Siddhartha
So, what will it take to convince these people that Mr Obama is a natural born citizen of the USA?

A piece of paper from Obama - he has spent over a million dollars resisting doing just that.

Meanwhile his Indonesian schools registration said he was Indonesian ( as a kid had to be then to go to Indonesian schools).

Keep in mind McCain's birth was investigated by Senate. Obama meanwhile floated a photo of a photoshopped document that used wrong terms ("African" for Obama's father's race instead of "Negro") on the Daily Kos. Its the stuff banana republics are made of.


Senate Deals With McCain?s Citizenship
By Carl Hulse
Is he or isn?t he?

"The Senate is expected to this week weigh in that Senator John McCain, Republican of Arizona, is in fact a natural-born American citizen, thus eligible to be president under the Constitution.

A nonbinding resolution trying to clarify the status of Mr. McCain is headed for the floor after the Judiciary Committee approved it last week.

Democratic leaders were mulling whether to simply rush the resolution through as part of a package of bills without opposition or allow senators to express their views over the intersection of the Constitution?s vague natural-born requirement and Mr. McCain?s birth in the Panama Canal Zone while his father, a naval officer, was stationed there."

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes...h-mccains-citizenship/

Because you don't pander to clowns. Eventually, people such as yourselves would be requesting to measure his penis so you could tell once and for all if he is more black or more white. Its frivilous and a waste of time and resources. I have a question for all of the people who have questions about his citizenship...

If you think John McCain, Hillary Clinton, Mitt Romney, Ron Paul, and every other person who ran for president in '08 is such a farking fool, then why did you vote for them? During the campaign Obama was called everything from a racist sympathizer to a commie, to a socialist. During the run to the White House they tried to associate Obama with everything bad but the Nazi party. ACORN, Ayers, Wright...But, what you're saying is that these people saw the momentum gathering under Obama and as they watched their dreams of being President slip from their grasp at no time did they think, "Hmmm, this guy might not be an American".

But, YOU'RE smart enough to question it, huh?

/not mine

so its ok to force a the senate to waste time deciding if McCain was a US born citizen? when any idiot can figure it out?

But having a investigation into Obama is wrong? when there is enough of a question to warrent it?

hypcrites on both sides make me sick.

Hypocrite much yourself? Obama has a legal document of birth in the USA. McCain one of birth in Panama. Which would you investigate for natural born American?

edit; natural born American = natural born citizen.
 

rudder

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Originally posted by: BoberFett
When I served, nobody particularly cared for Clinton as CiC, but we didn't bad mouth him publicly. Soldiers need to respect their chain of command.

That is because as a soldier are you even allowed to bad mouth him publicly? At any rate... if you join the military you do have to realize that at some point you could have no control over who your commander in chief will be and your duty is to as you put it... respect the chain of command.
 

OutHouse

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Originally posted by: rudder
Originally posted by: BoberFett
When I served, nobody particularly cared for Clinton as CiC, but we didn't bad mouth him publicly. Soldiers need to respect their chain of command.

That is because as a soldier are you even allowed to bad mouth him publicly? At any rate... if you join the military you do have to realize that at some point you could have no control over who your commander in chief will be and your duty is to as you put it... respect the chain of command.

there was a General who did bad mouth Clinton and was thrown out of the Army.

Enlisted have a lot more free reign to bitch and exercise free speach but there are limits on how far a enlisted guy can go.

Officers are a whole different ballgame and badmouthing the CiC is always a good way to get thrown out and your commission stripped.

 

umbrella39

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Originally posted by: sandorski
I'm sure the OP would have the same Opinion if the Soldier had challenged Bush on the Legality of the War and refused to Deploy?

You can bet on it. The OP is full of integrity / :roll: Hell the OP cannot wait until he is old enough to enlist and go serve himself, right KR? Right after his next math quiz of course... but he'll be coming... watch out Middle East, you're in trouble now.
 
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