Deputies shoot, kill man after knocking on wrong door

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Arkaign

Lifer
Oct 27, 2006
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why did he open the door anyway?

Given the type of neighborhood it looks like and the quality of the local cops (1.5+ hours to figure out they killed the wrong guy!? DA FUKKKKKK!??) .. perhaps the commotion indicated that someone might have been breaking into one of his or his gf's vehicles or something. No announcement of "POLICE", no siren/lights, makes it a bit messy.

I wonder if they would have just started shooting if he said "who's there" through the door? The footage in the video shows a hail of gunfire coming through the door. It seems likely that he opened the door, saw plainclothes guys with guns, and quickly closed the door, only to have bullets rain down on him through the door (guessing here, but the swiss cheese looking door seems to indicate exactly that course of events .. as he couldn't have shut it in the midst of being riddled with bullets to begin with, and I doubt the cops would kill him, close the door, and then shoot the door to shreds).

It's even possible that he never opened the door at all, and they just went bananas right through the door. I'm guessing this event wasn't recorded, and I believe that cops should be forced to wear cameras that record to an independent agency every second they're on duty, even if they're taking a shit.
 

dabuddha

Lifer
Apr 10, 2000
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As tragic as it is (and make no mistake, the cops did fuck up) make sure you don't mention that the victim opened the door with his gun pointing at the cops.
 

JTsyo

Lifer
Nov 18, 2007
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With all the tragic results of wrong addresses being raided, it's disturbing that wrongs homes are still raided. Someone needs to be responsible for ensuring it is the correct address and there has to be consequences for getting it wrong.
 

Icepick

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Nov 1, 2004
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WTF was he doing opening the door with a loaded pistol in his hand? Is he under seige? Make no mistake that the police showed incompetence at knocking at the wrong door in the first place. BUT, this guy's an idiot for keeping a loaded firearm "at the ready" and then opening the door with the gun pointed ahead without knowing who he's aiming at. You never point a gun at someone unless you're ready to use it and have a clearly identified target.
 
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You all do realize that most of the crews that do home invasions have ordered swat gear off ebay, kick your door down, scream police as they tie up your wife and family before (hopefully) merely robbing you of valuables before politely leaving.

Frequently they take turns raping the tied up women in the house and the men are severely beaten if not killed for fighting back.

These incidents happen fairly frequently, we hear about them at least once every few weeks in my state, although they are never reported in the mainstream media. It's not often reported, I suspect to prevent more instances like this article from occurring.


Personally, I am a law abiding citizen. I have ZERO fear of a 'no knock' warrant being served on me. If someone forcibly enters my property, I will defend myself in every way possible, and I do not care what they're screaming or wearing.
 

Icepick

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Nov 1, 2004
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You all do realize that most of the crews that do home invasions have ordered swat gear off ebay, kick your door down, scream police as they tie up your wife and family before (hopefully) merely robbing you of valuables before politely leaving.

Frequently they take turns raping the tied up women in the house and the men are severely beaten if not killed for fighting back.

These incidents happen fairly frequently, we hear about them at least once every few weeks in my state, although they are never reported in the mainstream media. It's not often reported, I suspect to prevent more instances like this article from occurring.


Personally, I am a law abiding citizen. I have ZERO fear of a 'no knock' warrant being served on me. If someone forcibly enters my property, I will defend myself in every way possible, and I do not care what they're screaming or wearing.

That's a totally different situation. No doors were kicked down in this case. There was a knock at the door and he decided to answer it with a gun pointed at the unidentified visitor.

That's asking for trouble and it's not a smart thing to do.
 

Broheim

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Feb 17, 2011
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That's a totally different situation. No doors were kicked down in this case. There was a knock at the door and he decided to answer it with a gun pointed at the unidentified visitor.

That's asking for trouble and it's not a smart thing to do.

this.

getting the address wrong was a major screw-up by the cops, but the shooting itself was not their fault.
 

erikistired

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Sep 27, 2000
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If someone was banging/kicking my door in in the middle of the night, they'd be met with a gun. Of course, I am not a crook so I am not expecting the cops.

wait. if someone knocks on your door in the middle of the night you answer with a gun? i'm all for guns, but most criminals don't knock. or come through the front door (i would assume, maybe they do, to me it would be a bit exposed). i don't want to excuse the deputy here, because the situation never should have happened, but answering the door with a gun pointed is never going to turn out well. if someone was knocking (banging, kicking) at my front door in the middle of the night i'm calling the police. either they say "it's us, come out fugitive", or they say "it's not us, but we're on the way," and then the guns come out. i'm not answering the door tho. i have a good vantage point from the top of the stairs. if they just keep banging the cops can deal with them, if they get into my house, well, i will defend my home.

i just imagine some drunk college kid (i live near a college campus) at the wrong door, i open it with a gun pointed, he wigs out because i'm pointing a gun at him and he doesn't know why, a struggle ensues, someone ends up with a bullet in them.

You all do realize that most of the crews that do home invasions have ordered swat gear off ebay, kick your door down, scream police as they tie up your wife and family before (hopefully) merely robbing you of valuables before politely leaving.

Frequently they take turns raping the tied up women in the house and the men are severely beaten if not killed for fighting back.

These incidents happen fairly frequently, we hear about them at least once every few weeks in my state, although they are never reported in the mainstream media. It's not often reported, I suspect to prevent more instances like this article from occurring.


Personally, I am a law abiding citizen. I have ZERO fear of a 'no knock' warrant being served on me. If someone forcibly enters my property, I will defend myself in every way possible, and I do not care what they're screaming or wearing.

are you sure you aren't watching too many movies? or maybe you live in mexico? is the media hiding all these frequent attacks?
 
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AHamick

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Nov 3, 2008
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Am I missing something in one of the links? This was NOT a search warrant correct?

So this clown answers his door pointing a pistol at the cops? How exactly is this the fault of the police?

If this guy was so scared of some real bad guy/criminal at his door then why the fuck would he open the door? Does he respond this way for the UPS driver delivering a package? How about door to door solicitors?

I keep hearing this crap about the cops fucked up by not identifying themselves. Did this guy ask who was at the door and the cops didn't say anything or did he just answer a knock at the door with a gun?

Since when are police required to announce themselves when merely knocking on a door?

From what I read the cops saw the bad guys bike outside his door and went knocking to see if he was in that residence and this bozo answered a knock at the door without saying shit but rather decided to come out pointing a gun t cops.
 

alkemyst

No Lifer
Feb 13, 2001
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bwhahahahahahhah yeah right. they are blaming the guy


"It's just a bizarre set of circumstances. The bottom line is, you point a gun at a deputy sheriff or police office, you're going to get shot," Herrell said.

Our Police are turning into punishers and worse. We just had a guy approach a unmarked, ununiformed officer parked in the middle of the night on his property (Marked no parking as well). The cop claims was being choked and then thought he saw a gun, the family claims the guy was a very passive person.

Long story short the victim walked 100 yards, opened a gate and called two people for help. When his brother arrived the police kept him away. When he finally got through emergency treatment was never called nor did the officers now on the scene attempt to help the victim.

He died about an hour after getting to the hospital and they further delayed the ambulance 30mins leaving the scene.

I guess in the police eye's a dead witness is the better way to go.
 

waggy

No Lifer
Dec 14, 2000
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Our Police are turning into punishers and worse. We just had a guy approach a unmarked, ununiformed officer parked in the middle of the night on his property (Marked no parking as well). The cop claims was being choked and then thought he saw a gun, the family claims the guy was a very passive person.

Long story short the victim walked 100 yards, opened a gate and called two people for help. When his brother arrived the police kept him away. When he finally got through emergency treatment was never called nor did the officers now on the scene attempt to help the victim.

He died about an hour after getting to the hospital and they further delayed the ambulance 30mins leaving the scene.

I guess in the police eye's a dead witness is the better way to go.

ugh. good god. what fucked up story. hope the family sues and wins
 

AHamick

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Nov 3, 2008
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The title should read "Police shoot man pointing a gun at them when he answers his door"
 

Venix

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Aug 22, 2002
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Am I missing something in one of the links? This was NOT a search warrant correct?

So this clown answers his door pointing a pistol at the cops? How exactly is this the fault of the police?

If this guy was so scared of some real bad guy/criminal at his door then why the fuck would he open the door? Does he respond this way for the UPS driver delivering a package? How about door to door solicitors?

I keep hearing this crap about the cops fucked up by not identifying themselves. Did this guy ask who was at the door and the cops didn't say anything or did he just answer a knock at the door with a gun?

Since when are police required to announce themselves when merely knocking on a door?

From what I read the cops saw the bad guys bike outside his door and went knocking to see if he was in that residence and this bozo answered a knock at the door without saying shit but rather decided to come out pointing a gun t cops.

I like how you just blindly believe the guys who shot an innocent man through a door. Certainly they couldn't be lying to cover their asses.

But even if it happened exactly as the cops claim--very unlikely--the victim is at worst guilty of a moment of questionable judgment. To repeatedly smear him as a "clown" and "bozo" is disgusting. You're a real piece of shit.
 

Chiropteran

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Nov 14, 2003
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Andrew looked away from his computer screen to check the clock. 1:25AM. Fuck, he thought, where did the time go? He shut off the computer and walked over to his bathroom to take a piss and brush his teeth, a usual nightly ritual for him.

As he sat there brushing, Andrew thought about how he would be waking back up in 5 hours to go to work. Why do I do this to myself?, he thought. Just as he was rinsing out his mouth a sound caught his attention- it someone wearing heavy boots was walking around outside the apartment's front door. Some muffled voices. The rattle of the door knob, as someone tried to open the locked door.

Heh, probably the couple from next door, too drunk to realize they have the wrong apartment, Andrew thought. The Blueberry Hills Apartment complex included a dozen apartments along the front of the building, of which Andrew's was just about right in the middle. Other than the apartment number on each door they all look the same, so it's not unheard of for someone to approach the wrong door before realizing their mistake.

As Andrew was pondering the situation, the previous sounds from outside his door were suddenly replaced with a loud beating.

"OPEN UP RIGHT NOW" shouted an angry voice from outside the porch. The pounding on the door continued, and it sounded like the door would be opening shortly, one way or another, even if it meant the intruder had to kick it in. Andrew glanced across his living room at his Glock sitting on the end table, but decided to first take a look.

He walked over to the door, and tried to call out to calm whoever was out there. "I'm here, calm down, I'm trying to open the door" explained Andrew. He looked out through the peephole and saw two large men, dressed in what looked like a black combat suit, with guns in hand. What the fuck is this, thought Andrew?

Andrew released the deadbolt and opened the door a bit, but kept the door chain locked. "What is going on?" he asked through the gap.

"Simply thing buddy. We need to have a word with you, maybe take you for a little drive. Open the door completely and come outside to talk" responded the larger of the two men.

"What the hell, I'm not gonna to step out of my home at one in the morning without some sort of explanation, fuck you guys" Andrew started to slam the door, but the larger intruder had his left hand in the door frame.

"Asshole just smashed my hand!" blurted out the grim man, pointed his .40 S&W where he figured Andrew was standing, and shot through the door. The pain in his hand burning, he didn't stop at one shot, and pulled the trigger 4 more times.

His accomplice watched grimly, a little shocked at what happened but who is going to argue with a man carrying a loaded gun?

The grim man grunted "lets get this finished", and kicked the door in hard, snapping the door chain. Without the chain holding it the door swung around, and stopped with a distinctive clunking sound as it hit Andrews skull.

The men stepped inside and saw Andrew dead on the ground. A bit of worry struck the shooter, but he went about his business checking the scene for evidence or anything useful. When he found the Glock sitting on an end table he came up with his plan and story.
 

Phynaz

Lifer
Mar 13, 2006
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Normal people don't answer the door by pointing a gun at somebody. Guy was guilty of something, this is just karma setting the books strait.
 

dabuddha

Lifer
Apr 10, 2000
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Andrew looked away from his computer screen to check the clock. 1:25AM. Fuck, he thought, where did the time go? He shut off the computer and walked over to his bathroom to take a piss and brush his teeth, a usual nightly ritual for him.

As he sat there brushing, Andrew thought about how he would be waking back up in 5 hours to go to work. Why do I do this to myself?, he thought. Just as he was rinsing out his mouth a sound caught his attention- it someone wearing heavy boots was walking around outside the apartment's front door. Some muffled voices. The rattle of the door knob, as someone tried to open the locked door.

Heh, probably the couple from next door, too drunk to realize they have the wrong apartment, Andrew thought. The Blueberry Hills Apartment complex included a dozen apartments along the front of the building, of which Andrew's was just about right in the middle. Other than the apartment number on each door they all look the same, so it's not unheard of for someone to approach the wrong door before realizing their mistake.

As Andrew was pondering the situation, the previous sounds from outside his door were suddenly replaced with a loud beating.

"OPEN UP RIGHT NOW" shouted an angry voice from outside the porch. The pounding on the door continued, and it sounded like the door would be opening shortly, one way or another, even if it meant the intruder had to kick it in. Andrew glanced across his living room at his Glock sitting on the end table, but decided to first take a look.

He walked over to the door, and tried to call out to calm whoever was out there. "I'm here, calm down, I'm trying to open the door" explained Andrew. He looked out through the peephole and saw two large men, dressed in what looked like a black combat suit, with guns in hand. What the fuck is this, thought Andrew?

Andrew released the deadbolt and opened the door a bit, but kept the door chain locked. "What is going on?" he asked through the gap.

"Simply thing buddy. We need to have a word with you, maybe take you for a little drive. Open the door completely and come outside to talk" responded the larger of the two men.

"What the hell, I'm not gonna to step out of my home at one in the morning without some sort of explanation, fuck you guys" Andrew started to slam the door, but the larger intruder had his left hand in the door frame.

"Asshole just smashed my hand!" blurted out the grim man, pointed his .40 S&W where he figured Andrew was standing, and shot through the door. The pain in his hand burning, he didn't stop at one shot, and pulled the trigger 4 more times.

His accomplice watched grimly, a little shocked at what happened but who is going to argue with a man carrying a loaded gun?

The grim man grunted "lets get this finished", and kicked the door in hard, snapping the door chain. Without the chain holding it the door swung around, and stopped with a distinctive clunking sound as it hit Andrews skull.

The men stepped inside and saw Andrew dead on the ground. A bit of worry struck the shooter, but he went about his business checking the scene for evidence or anything useful. When he found the Glock sitting on an end table he came up with his plan and story.

Nice bit of fiction there Like most of your posts.
 

HybridSquirrel

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Nov 20, 2005
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Normal people don't answer the door by pointing a gun at somebody. Guy was guilty of something, this is just karma setting the books strait.

Doesn't mean he was guilty, it means he was retarded for answering the door like that.
 

Ichinisan

Lifer
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Occupant was in the right here. He has a right to answer the door at 1:30AM with his gun drawn.
 
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