Desktop : Higher performance or higher efficiency ?

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Arkadrel

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^ in alot of games, a A8-5600k will be enough "CPU" horse power,
to make performance more a matter of how fast your GPU is, than anything else.

I know thats not true of all games, a but of alot of them.

CPUs are fast enough at top levels for now. Higher efficiency would be better.
 
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lagokc

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go look on the microcenter website. all the bundles boards are atx, not matx or itx far as i can tell. do they still make matx? thats still the most convenient form factor axe far axe i can tell, i understand itx is more popular now but aren those rather limited and more expensive?

mATX isn't going anywhere and ITX isn't terribly limited and it's no longer significantly more expensive. The only significant limitation of ITX is you're limitd to a single expansion slot which you're typically going to put your GPU in. If you're using integrated graphics you still have one slot to use though with modern ITX motherboards coming equipped with USB3.0, more SATA ports than you could possibly use, and frequently onboard 802.11 it's hard to imagine what you'd need it for.
 

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While I would prefer both if I had to choose between the two I would lean more towards the performance side. I'm not too concerned by efficiency seeing as higher heat issues are easily solvable nowadays with the various aftermarket heatsink solutions (high efficient air, all-in-one water, or custom water). As for power consumption with regards to efficiency, well any builder worth their salt takes such things into consideration when selecting the other parts for their build (PSU, Mobo, etc.)
 
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crashtech

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This is sounding like a broken record, not aiming that at you but there aren't very many games/software that can use 4 true cores let alone hexa/octa variants ! The single biggest bottleneck today is on the software side of things & no matter what you do one cannot brute force their way through his situation & not get a BSOD eventually :|

edit : Unless of course you were aiming for benchmark records exclusively !
The problem with acquiescing to this point of view is that then there would be no point in most of us bothering to own desktops.

I don't mind having a machine that is not practical for running everyday software. It can be likened to owning a drag racing car, which isn't good for much, yet holds a strange attraction for many.
 

KingFatty

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I can't help but think it's a false dichotomy logical fallacy.

You can have both efficiency and performance. Even assuming worst scenario, you have cool'n'quiet and other power adjustments where you enjoy best of both worlds.

I think the questions in the poll are assuming a limitation that is not true, so it can't account for the missing 3rd option of having both.
 

aigomorla

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go look on the microcenter website. all the bundles boards are atx, not matx or itx far as i can tell. do they still make matx? thats still the most convenient form factor axe far axe i can tell, i understand itx is more popular now but aren those rather limited and more expensive?

How about you take a look at the board makers directly.
How about look at Gigabyte website directly
How about looking at ASUS directly.

These vendors all have itx...
Infact every vendor has itx.
Now why do u think EVERY vendor would make an ITX board if its not popular?

Just cuz microcenter doesnt sell it, doesnt mean trend is dropping.

Matx will never die out.
Matx has a form and function outside regular ATX.
Again.. calling matx or itx a dying form factor is just silly...
The only real form factor i have seen die out is BTX.

whose the idiot at intel who thought BTX would take off?

I alone have built more itx this year then any other pc's.
Im sure a lot of others have built itx this year cuz they started getting popular.


if her desktop looks like that, it will perform like this:

**pic of netbook***

no thanks to sheet like that if you axe me

You can not bolt a notebook like that to a VESA mount.
You can not make small mods to a notebook like u can to those.
You can not also place a laptop in your pocket like u can to a QS77.
You can not put a laptop with a projector in 1 bag like u can with a QS77 unless ur projector bag was big.
People are less likely to walk away and steal a QS77 vs a laptop cuz when 90% of the people see something like a QS77 they dont think of it as a full bloated computer.

Laptop has its place and function, however itx also have a place in function which laptops cant meet.

Id much rather have a tiny box bolted behind a HDTV on a station which isnt designed to be portable any day of the week over a laptop connected to the said monitor on a HDMI.
 
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ShintaiDK

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How about you take a look at the board makers directly.
How about look at Gigabyte website directly
How about looking at ASUS directly.

These vendors all have itx...
Infact every vendor has itx.
Now why do u think EVERY vendor would make an ITX board if its not popular?

Just cuz microcenter doesnt sell it, doesnt mean trend is dropping.

I alone have built more itx this year then any other pc's.
Im sure a lot of others have built itx this year cuz they started getting popular.

Exactly. MiniITX started to get volume back with the 5 and 6 series chipsets. With the 7 series they got a rather large volume. And for the 8 series is a high focus point for mobo makers.

We can also see on this chart, That at least from Intel, MiniITX goes from being the most expensive in its group to the cheapest (at release.). Yet highly featured.
 
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dma0991

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You can have both. I'm sure many would have at least a laptop and desktop which meets the needs of higher efficiency and higher performance. I like my desktops to have higher performance as it isn't limited by constraints that laptops have.

Computers have become quite affordable, making it possible for me to leave an Intel NUC running 24/7 while my desktop only being turned on for high performance applications(cold boot times is negligible with a SSD).
 

aigomorla

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Now guys... efficiency has its perks.

Please dont get me confused.
Every desktop machine i have is not a full bloated gaming machine.

I have a primary.. my so called pedistool of a system which has no bars held.
She draws roughly 250-300W on IDLE i approx.
On load ive seen numbers peak as high as 833W on a kilowatt.

However i only own 1 machine which can do that.
All the other machines in the house are efficient.
My HTPC, parents computers, things which doesnt need 60fps with MSAA at 1440p arent power hungry hogs.

You guys have no idea how much money i saved per month retiring out my gainestown servers to the ULV ones.
(well i dont think it was that much... maybe 5 dollars per month? a free coffee yay~!!)

I honestly think if ur a gamer.. you need a beast computer to make u happy when u do sit down and play those games in full options,
Bust out a man grunt with a smile as ur watching 348902384902384023 fps on a DX9 console ported game. :thumbsup:
 
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crashtech

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The people talking about ITX have good points; I almost don't consider them to be in the desktop category, but one of their own that is in between desktop and mobile devices.
 

NTMBK

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Exactly. MiniITX started to get volume back with the 5 and 6 series chipsets. With the 7 series they got a rather large volume. And for the 8 series is a high focus point for mobo makers.

We can also see on this chart, That at least from Intel, MiniITX goes from being the most expensive in its group to the cheapest (at release.). Yet highly featured.

Yeah, small form factor is Intel's next big push. I'm excited about their thin Mini-ITX- finally we can make all in ones and nettops with interchangeable parts: http://techreport.com/review/24785/intel-thin-mini-itx-platform-nine-months-later
 

aigomorla

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Mini ITX is a TON of fun to play with... no joke.

I have built one for almost all my family members who wanted a HTPC.
 

jacktesterson

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Efficiency here. (Mostly GPU - CPU is good now)

Since I no longer have space for a Desktop - I want as much power as I can pack in a Notebook. Luckily these things go hand and hand usually.

Yes, I realize my 675M is Fermi and not Kepler - but the 680m is way overpriced right now, and I was able to get the 675m for same price as the 660m.
 
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AtenRa

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What das the motherboard form factor has to do with CPU Performance ??? Intel or there motherboard partners could make a socket 2011 mini-iTX if they wanted.

This poll is about your Desktop CPU and not about mobile or motherboard form factor.
 

aigomorla

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What das the motherboard form factor has to do with CPU Performance ??? Intel or there motherboard partners could make a socket 2011 mini-iTX if they wanted.

This poll is about your Desktop CPU and not about mobile or motherboard form factor.

yes they could...

however when people think efficiency they think ULV.
 

crashtech

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As Intel found out over a decade ago, the quest for performance ignores efficiency at its peril. Form factors also are difficult to ignore when asking the question, since "desktop" can take many forms, the smallest of which tend to have severe limits on heat dissipation. If the question is refined to mean ATX and EATX, cooling is no longer any issue.
 

Sable

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Doesn't really matter. Intel has decided we're having the same CPU every year that we've had since sandy bridge but using lower power and bolting on better graphics each time. Great for mobile, yawn for desktop.

I want to see a crazy 130W 8 core monster released at 5GHz stock. Come Intel, you know it can be done.
 

ShintaiDK

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I want to see a crazy 130W 8 core monster released at 5GHz stock. Come Intel, you know it can be done.

5Ghz at 130W TDP with the current IPC level? Not gonna happen.

The 6 core with 4Ghz turbo is 150W TDP.
 

UaVaj

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performance first then efficiency.

until performance goal is reach, who cares about efficency.
once performance goal is reach, time to work on efficieny.
 

vipirius

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performance first then efficiency.

until performance goal is reach, who cares about efficency.
once performance goal is reach, time to work on efficieny.

Yeah but for 99% of users the performance goal is already met.
 

aigomorla

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Yeah but for 99% of users the performance goal is already met.

the need aspect yes.

The greed aspect no...
Everyone wants to be 1ghz higher then the next person who posted while holding the same voltage.
 

UaVaj

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Yeah but for 99% of users the performance goal is already met.

just want to be able to play every game at max surround setting with 45fps minimum. 3d surround be a bonus.

that too much to ask? :biggrin:
 
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