Desktop, laptop, or even mac?

neilm

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Basically as the title says. I've built a desktop computer 8-9 years ago, and think it is time to invest on something new and shiny.

When I built my desktop, the laptops weren't that powerful. However these days (even though I've been out of the hardware game), I'd assume they're pretty equal to desktop machines now.

What do people advice building these days? Stick with the immoble desktop machines, or is laptops more in favour? Not sure how different it is to self build a laptop...

Would primarily be using the computer for coding, HTML, photo editing, design, and all that stuff. Used to play games on the PC (such as half-life), but have an Xbox360 for my gaming needs now, but may throw an okay graphics card just for movies and an average game.
 

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You won't be building your own laptop. There do exist some barebones laptops, but basically you just put in CPU, RAM and HDD and call it a day.

You need to decide a couple things on your own. Do you need (or even want) portability at all? If so, just buy the laptop. You can still use a big monitor and a USB keyboard/mouse while sitting at your desk, and current hardware is ahead of the software curve enough that you won't miss the extra performance of a desktop. Now, if you know pretty much for a fact that even if you got a laptop it would never leave your desk, then don't get a laptop.

Mac? That's purely your decision. You may want to see how much it would cost to buy all the OSX versions of your favorite software (if using non-freeware). That may dissuade you from changing, or if you use freeware like Gimp (do they have an OSX version?) then it may be no deterrent.

Everything you mention that you use a computer for can be done just fine on any of these.

Personally I use a custom built desktop at home, and have an ultralight notebook for traveling only.
 

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yep, seems like you could get almost anything (unless you plan on reentering pc gaming) and spend all the rest on the inputs and outputs: a nice monitor, keyboard, and mouse (depending on your budget and needs as stated by zap)
 

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There's two separate choices that you need to make, and depend more on your needs than anything (which makes them hard to offer a lot of advice on):

Laptop or desktop: Desktops are still faster and generally more capable than laptops at a given price point, although anything on the market today will blow an 8 year old desktop out of the water. Laptops, of course, are portable to varying degrees.

Mac vs not-mac: Do you want OS X? Buy a Mac. That's the largest differentiating feature, and if you want to run windows, you can compare with Apple hardware for it's merits later.

Once you've decided on those, it's a lot easier to help point you in a useful direction.


One thing that jumps out at me, though, is that you mention photo editing. If you're doing anything colour sensitive, I'd be inclined to recommend a desktop, or at least an external display, as getting a good display in a notebook is far far harder than it should be. Setting aside some money for hardware calibration, if you haven't, is probably also a good idea.

Personally, I like (and use) Zap's approach - a beefy desktop to handle the heavy lifting, and a lightweight laptop while I'm on the go.
 

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Laptop or desktop: Desktops are still faster and generally more capable than laptops at a given price point, although anything on the market today will blow an 8 year old desktop out of the water. Laptops, of course, are portable to varying degrees.

Mac vs not-mac: Do you want OS X? Buy a Mac. That's the largest differentiating feature, and if you want to run windows, you can compare with Apple hardware for it's merits later.

This is spot-on. Given what you've listed as your normal day-to-day usage, I would say that a reasonably powerful PC laptop or MBP would be just fine performance-wise. It just depends on what form factor and OS would be most useful for you.
 

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Great bits of advice. I'm still undecided, and I will tell you why....

PC Desktop - My current computer was a self-build, about 8 years ago. There is a sense of accomplishment, and control when you know every part inside the machine. If going for this option, it might become overpowered for the simple tasks that I'd planned (though, it's future proofing for a while I guess).

Laptop - I'm not one to roam the house with a laptop, but it'd be nice to have that option just incase. I could maybe use a docking station (I believe these are obsolete now, a universal USB hub connector thing is the replacement) which would be great if I needed to swap laptops since I work from home the odd time. However, these are all factory made and there isn't any research or customisation under the hood (as opposed to the PC desktop).

Mac's - Went into the mac store to play about with the macbook pro. I wasn't overly impressed. It looks really eye catching, but the price doesn't justify the look for me. Having never used the mac, I found it really foreign, but I've never wanted to rule out a change away from windows... don't know if that's the hype possibly making me turn to apple.

I will decide sometime soon though, probably end up flipping a coin.
 

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I bought a MacBook air (the 11" version) a year or so ago. Now except for esxi (VMware) I am all Mac. I went to a shared iMac plus 13" MacBook air setup.
 

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I bought a MacBook air (the 11" version) a year or so ago. Now except for esxi (VMware) I am all Mac. I went to a shared iMac plus 13" MacBook air setup.

I've yet to hear people buying a mac and not be converted, so there might be something in that....

Does the lack of customising features on a mac not bother you (hardware and the software - no option to dual boot for example)? limited range of software? tied to apple products? forced into itunes (not sure if i can transfer my music across easily)?

I suppose, I have yet to hear a convincing argument why a mac is a better choice, other than how neat it looks. Not intending to turn this into a fanboy den, but am geniunely interested to hear the thoughts of a rationale tech savy person.
 

dclive

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Does the lack of customising features on a mac not bother you (hardware

I bought what I wanted the first time. Less time spent 'upgrading' is less downtime and fiddling time.

and the software - no option to dual boot for example)?

/confused - I can dual boot OS X and Windows (and Linux, if I wanted to) perfectly, so I'm not sure what you mean.

limited range of software?

I can run anything - be it for OS X, Windows, or Linux - so how is that limited?

tied to apple products?

How so? See above. Even if I only run OS X, I still don't see how I am tied to Apple anything...

forced into itunes (not sure if i can transfer my music across easily)?

Not sure what you mean here either - if I don't want to run iTunes, I don't. What forces me to run iTunes at all?

I suppose, I have yet to hear a convincing argument why a mac is a better choice, other than how neat it looks. Not intending to turn this into a fanboy den, but am geniunely interested to hear the thoughts of a rationale tech savy person.

I think you need to clarify what you're asking, because so far I think you're confused.
 

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Would primarily be using the computer for coding, HTML, photo editing, design, and all that stuff. Used to play games on the PC (such as half-life), but have an Xbox360 for my gaming needs now, but may throw an okay graphics card just for movies and an average game.

Okay, time for some more specific recommendations, to put you out of your misery and confusion.

What is your budget?

"coding, HTML, design, movies"
These can be done on anything new.

"photo editing"
These can be done on anything new. If you do it for a living and work with super high resolutions (double digit megapixels?) then you may want a beefier CPU and more RAM to speed things up. Note that it won't be the difference between "can do" and "can't do," but the difference between "can do" and "can do faster."

"average game"
I think you need to toss out some more game titles. You mentioned Half Life. If all you hope to play are some old titles like that, then you are probably fine with integrated graphics as they might be more powerful than the best graphics cards available when Half Life first came out. That being said, if you have any hopes of playing even somewhat recent games in a pleasing manner then you need a dedicated graphics card and you can probably rule out a notebook computer.

Have you considered doing what some of us do, and have a desktop computer + a cheap notebook computer?

If you go this route, build yourself a new desktop now, and then buy the notebook later. "Later" means when you see a smoking hot deal, when you know you will be going on a trip and will need something portable, when you see a shiny new notebook computer and go "do want."

So, are you still using your "built a desktop computer 8-9 years ago" system today? If so, then ANYTHING current would be fine. Assuming you are using that ancient rig and knowing nothing of your budget, here is some generic parts choosing advice.

CPU - Core i3-2100 (or 2120 or whatever is on sale when you buy it) around $100-140
This is a super fast and power efficient dual core processor. It will probably run anything you need for the near future, and the socket 1155 platform it runs on is a current platform that still has future CPUs coming out for it, thus opening doors for upgrades (at least next couple years).

CPU cooler - just use stock cooler for now.

RAM - 8GB dual channel DDR3 memory kit around $20-50 depending on sales/rebates
DDR3 RAM is so stupid cheap these days that you may as well go 8GB. Heck, I just bought a spare set for $20 after $10 rebate. I used to argue against going 8GB on cheap gaming builds because nothing requires it, but at $20 it matches the going price of 4GB kits so, whatever. Just buy something that is at least 1333MHz (or faster, but not necessary) and something that is rated at 1.5v (or lower, but not higher).

Motherboard - something using the Z68 chipset that fits the case you choose $100-200
Most recent chipset for socket 1155 makes this a no-brainer even though there are cheaper chipsets. You likely won't notice much difference between cheap and expensive boards.

optical drive - whatever cheap SATA DVD writer $20
These are disposable. Useful for installing Windows/software and then it sits there doing nothing.

System drive - 120GB+ SATA 6Gbps SSD $120-220
SSDs are all the rage these days. All the cool kids use them instead of hard drives. A 120GB (or 128GB depending on brand/model) hits a nice capacity point being large enough for Windows and your software, plus even a couple games (as long as you uninstall what you no longer play). Also, it usually hits a nice performance point due to how an SSD works (smaller ones usually slower in some way). If budget allows, feel free to get something larger capacity.

Secondary drive - 1TB+ 7200RPM $130+
Alright, prices are lousy right now but it wasn't always so, and won't always be. Use this for installing your lesser played games on, plus storing all your data (especially your photos and other media).

Graphics card - for your uses probably anything lower mid-range in the $70-150 range will do, and will be so crazy fast compared to an 8-9 year old card that your mind will be sufficiently boggled. We can narrow this down once you throw out some game titles that you hope to play and what resolution your monitor is.

Power supply - anything good quality of sufficient wattage will do in the $30-80 range depending on the sale of the day or rebates. "Sufficient wattage" will depend on your ultimate graphics card choice. "Good quality" is a must, but you don't need "best quality." Basically, one that isn't "known to be crap." Let's get your graphics card chosen and we can tackle the PSU after that. Oh yeah, there is also form factor to choose, which will depend on what case you end up with.

Case - What do YOU want? Probably $50-150 should cover it. Do you value silence? Do you want it to be huge like you are making up for some personal deficiency? Do you want it tiny like you have Mac Mini envy? Do you want a black masterpiece? Do you want it white? Red? Do you want it to do double duty as a night light? Do you want to see the guts of your system? Do you want it to look super sleek? Super stealth jet fighter Pokemon I'm a 13 year old gamer? You want it to look like a Dell? An Alienware? What do YOU want? Oh crap, I think we've opened up a new can of worms here.

Operating system - Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit $100
Most people won't need anything more than that. It runs all your software/games and supports 16GB RAM. What else do you need?

For a notebook computer, come back and ask about it WHEN you actually need to use one.
 

neilm

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You've spotted the bluffer, I clearly have no knowledge of an Apple Mac. Some of what I assumed could be dated, back in the dark ages. If it counts, my first and only Apple product is the iPhone 4 - love it!



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Gwoah, firstly... that's an impressive reply, thank you for that, much appreciated. I'm really awful at choosing anything, literally. Even sitting in the restaurant I'd study the menu and be the last to order every time. Been sitting on this antique close to a decade sure, while hmming and ahhing throughout the years (but has served me well).

What is your budget?
Anywhere between &#163;500 - &#163;1100. Think the conversion is $770 - $1,700, but do remember you American chaps get hardware cheaper. Well, get anything cheaper in fact (rebates? what is that?!).

"photo editing"
These can be done on anything new. If you do it for a living and work with super high resolutions (double digit megapixels?) then you may want a beefier CPU and more RAM to speed things up. Note that it won't be the difference between "can do" and "can't do," but the difference between "can do" and "can do faster."

"average game"
I think you need to toss out some more game titles. You mentioned Half Life. If all you hope to play are some old titles like that, then you are probably fine with integrated graphics as they might be more powerful than the best graphics cards available when Half Life first came out. That being said, if you have any hopes of playing even somewhat recent games in a pleasing manner then you need a dedicated graphics card and you can probably rule out a notebook computer.
I'm no professional by any standard; dabbling in Photoshop, either to compress for Facebook, or for webpage development I'd be attempting in the future (header images etc). Basically something that can run Photoshop without the professional detail.

Game was thrown in there because I'd like to keep my options open, most likely there won't be any games installed though. If anything, maybe something like Football Manager. The Half-Life type games are played on the Xbox360 (currently the COD series, and oh yes, I had great difficultly moving from keyboard+mouse to a joypad!).

Also graphics that looks great on screen, playing a film for example. None of this sounds very stressful on the machine.

Have you considered doing what some of us do, and have a desktop computer + a cheap notebook computer?
I didn't consider this option, mainly because I don't have the money to buy double licenses of the same products For your notebook, I'm guessing you don't mind that it isn't the same setup as your main rig?

Assuming you are using that ancient rig and knowing nothing of your budget, here is some generic parts choosing advice.
Excellent advice, most I didn't know. I'm still living in the pentium days, and liking this new SSD technology you speak of. Think you hit the mark with the graphics card. Regarding the case, I value silence greatly, but don't want it to look like a presidential nuclear bunker either. Tidy/sleek and sized appropriately (don't care about the bling - knight rider lights, logos, etc).


Happy Christmas/holidays to all taking an interest in this thread.
 

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Forgot to mention. I'm using a work monitor at home (DELL u2312hm), and I'd sometimes work from home - mentioned this to see whether there is any universal docking station I can use, for example, plugging out my main rig and connecting my work laptop (which then uses the monitor, internet connection, keyboard, mouse, etc).
 

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A simple run of the mill laptop would be plenty for you - and vastly faster than what you have now. A cheap Macbook Air 13" ($1299-ish) would fit the bill nicely and is within your budget - and would work fine with the monitor you own. If you don't want portable, a Mac mini i5/2.5 would be nice and cheap too - $600 for starters here up to $800 better equipped.

All would let you run MacOS and Windows effortlessly.
 

Zap

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None of this sounds very stressful on the machine.
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I didn't consider this option, mainly because I don't have the money to buy double licenses of the same products For your notebook, I'm guessing you don't mind that it isn't the same setup as your main rig?
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Regarding the case, I value silence greatly, but don't want it to look like a presidential nuclear bunker either. Tidy/sleek and sized appropriately (don't care about the bling - knight rider lights, logos, etc).

Nope, not very stressful at all. Heck, if you're not actually gaming on it, just use integrated graphics.

My latest notebook just has a web browser and League of Legends. I'm good.

I'd say no to a Mac because you have to re-buy all your software.

Desktops always give you more performance for the money. Since you've lived w/o a notebook, if you can't make a good business case for having one and you don't quite know why you would need one other than it is shiny and different, then just build a new desktop.

So, I'll take what I wrote earlier, and fine tune it a bit now that we have a rough budget and narrowed some things down. This will be in USD and based on what is available here. Not familiar with what is available near you, and I won't use rebated pricing.

CPU - Core i5-2500K $220
Bumped up the CPU due to your budget.

CPU cooler - just use stock cooler for now $FREE
Enable a quiet fan profile in BIOS to reduce noise.

RAM - 8GB dual channel DDR3 memory kit around $20-50

Motherboard - Z68 chipset micro ATX motherboard $90-180

optical drive - cheap SATA DVD writer $20

System drive - 120GB+ SATA 6Gbps SSD $160-220

Secondary drive - 1TB Hitachi 7K1000.D 7200RPM HDD $130
Would you need more space?

Graphics card - Intel HD 3000, AKA integrated $FREE

Power supply/Case - Antec NSK3480 $100
Comes with a 380W EarthWatts PSU that is decent, plus can build a quiet rig in this. The PSU is good enough to handle any graphics card (future upgrade possibilities) that only needs a single 6-pin power connector.

Operating system - Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit $100

Using most expensive options, just over $1000 leaving you plenty of budget in case you do decide to go for a graphics card. I don't think you'll need one. You can always use the integrated graphics and upgrade if you need more.
 

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Motherboard - Z68 chipset micro ATX motherboard $90-180

That's quite the price range there Zap. I think that the OP would be fine with something on the lower-end of that, or even H67 since it doesn't sound (pun intended) like he will be overclocking. Something like the P8H67-M LE for instance.
 

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Build a desktop + buy a cheap laptop. That way you get both and it will come in around the same amount as one overpriced peice of apple hardware...
 

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I'm partial to my Macbook Pro but everyone has their own preference. I didn't have to re purchase any software when I switched. I just bought Parallels and run Win7 and Lion. I've pretty much weened myself off the Win7 side but it's nice to be able to switch when I need to.

I find it much easier to maintain and troubleshoot on my MBP than I did with my PC rig. Not sure if that matters to you or not.
 

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Going to randomly throw a question out there. Has anyone any thoughts on Port Replicators? Ideally, I would have liked to plugged one system out and another in simply which transfers the full setup (monitor, ethernet, mouse, keyboard), instead of toggling numerous leads. I sometimes work from home, which is why I ask.

I don't believe this exists for Desktop <-> Laptop - unless it is a USB connection, plus I have heard some performance downside (but not sure how accurate that is).

Laptop <-> Laptop works fine when they're the same make.

So, I'm not sure if I should just forfeit the idea and be content with toggling numerous leads in and out. It wouldn't be a hassle if I have a smallish case planted on the desk I guess.

A simple run of the mill laptop would be plenty for you - and vastly faster than what you have now. A cheap Macbook Air 13" ($1299-ish) would fit the bill nicely and is within your budget - and would work fine with the monitor you own. If you don't want portable, a Mac mini i5/2.5 would be nice and cheap too - $600 for starters here up to $800 better equipped.
Interesting. Still not ruling anything out just yet, though the desktop is leading the race. Since you were formerly a windows user for many years, what is it we don't get in Win7? I ask this question because I simply don't know, plus I know you wouldn't give the usual fan boy response.... just a rational answer would do me.

I'd say no to a Mac because you have to re-buy all your software.
Might have to re-buy my software anyway, it has been an age since I first bought them. So either way, I'm going to buy. Not looking forward to no Photoshop though, it is just too expensive.

Desktops always give you more performance for the money. Since you've lived w/o a notebook, if you can't make a good business case for having one and you don't quite know why you would need one other than it is shiny and different, then just build a new desktop.
Sound advice. Plus I hear they aren't as robust and don't last very long. My work laptop sometimes sounds like a tumble dryer, but thought the new laptops may have advanced in this area... which is why I posed the question.


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Thanks again for the hardware run down, this will definitely help if/when I opt for the desktop... had previously no idea what was "in" these days. Liking the idea of the small case. And what is the better SSD drives out there? Had the chance to get crucial on the cheap, but let it go because I noticed one semi-negative review about it being slower than others.

That's quite the price range there Zap. I think that the OP would be fine with something on the lower-end of that, or even H67 since it doesn't sound (pun intended) like he will be overclocking. Something like the P8H67-M LE for instance.
Would you not recommend overclocking, even if it isn't needed? Always thought it was safe, and almost standard to overclock to a certain percentage increase. Might be wrong though.

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I find it much easier to maintain and troubleshoot on my MBP than I did with my PC rig. Not sure if that matters to you or not.
With macs becoming ever popular, it is almost a level playing field now. Although, I don't know if it's the craze and hype that is reeling me in. When you say easier to troubleshoot, what do you mean exactly? Don't think I've ever had any problems troubleshooting on this old desktop. But then I could be used to problem solving, or I'm really really good at using Google!
 

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Interesting. Still not ruling anything out just yet, though the desktop is leading the race. Since you were formerly a windows user for many years, what is it we don't get in Win7? I ask this question because I simply don't know, plus I know you wouldn't give the usual fan boy response.... just a rational answer would do me.

What don't I get in W7? It's what I do - too many problems, viruses, registry cruft, gotchas, slowdowns, and unknown problems. Oh, it's not as bad as it was, but it's still annoying enough that I'd rather have the elegance of MacOS. Prices have come down (once you compare likes and likes, which people don't like to do) enough that the Mac premium isn't that much anymore, and resale value is so good that even that isn't a big deal anymore.
 

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Would you not recommend overclocking, even if it isn't needed? Always thought it was safe, and almost standard to overclock to a certain percentage increase. Might be wrong though.

I don't recommend anything that isn't needed. :awe: Overclocking is indeed generally safe, but running your components out of spec always introduces some element of risk, so why do it if you won't notice the difference?
 

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Going to randomly throw a question out there. Has anyone any thoughts on Port Replicators? Ideally, I would have liked to plugged one system out and another in simply which transfers the full setup (monitor, ethernet, mouse, keyboard), instead of toggling numerous leads. I sometimes work from home, which is why I ask.

In the Mac world, what you want is the Apple Thunderbolt display. You plug it into the wall and it has a power and Thunderbolt lead to your Macbook. Thunderbolt is essentially a long-distance PCIe connection and connects the display, USB ports, and ethernet port in the monitor to your laptop via a single wire.
 

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I find it much easier to maintain and troubleshoot on my MBP than I did with my PC rig.

I have not had to troubleshoot or "maintain" any of my Windows 7 notebooks. :hmm:

Going to randomly throw a question out there. Has anyone any thoughts on Port Replicators?

Docking stations aren't very popular these days. Look for them on business models. They can be very handy though - just snap it into the dock and voila! Had those at a place I used to work at. They used Dell Latitude and Precision notebooks with docking stations. There was an interface on the bottom of the notebook for the dock.

Sound advice. Plus I hear they aren't as robust and don't last very long.

I think it's all the abuse they get put through. Recently I was playing around with a Windows tablet PC that had DENTS on the bottom of it from getting shoved into tool boxes. When I did PC repair, I also saw a lot of broken notebook screens. Those screens don't just crack on their own.

And what is the better SSD drives out there? Had the chance to get crucial on the cheap, but let it go because I noticed one semi-negative review about it being slower than others.

The Crucial m4 SSDs are actually pretty good, as are Samsung 830 (so far nobody has found problems with those... yet). Intel 510 is similar to the Crucial m4. Other popular drives use the Sandforce controllers (OCZ Vertex 3/Agility 3/Solid 3, Corsair Force 3/Force GT, Kingston HyperX) but there were issues with those which may (or may not) have been squashed with a recent firmware update.

Would you not recommend overclocking, even if it isn't needed? Always thought it was safe, and almost standard to overclock to a certain percentage increase. Might be wrong though.

Purely personal preference.
 

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Alright, decided to be a friend of another desktop! I'd like a mac change sometime based on DCLive's comments, but maybe if/when I get a fatter wage!

So far, I went ahead and bought the following:

- Intel Core i7-2600K
- Crucial SSD M4 128GB CT128M4SSD2

Would I still go ahead with the posted suggestions (for motherboard, case, etc) or would that now be adjusted? Feel free to change if you think it is necessary...

I like the idea of the small case mentioned by Zap (Antec NSK3480), but heard you cannot plug the fan directly into the motherboard? Also, using the lower bays blocks off the PCI slot? Memory is a little fuzzy, but that's the jist of the issues that come with the case I think.



I don't recommend anything that isn't needed. :awe: Overclocking is indeed generally safe, but running your components out of spec always introduces some element of risk, so why do it if you won't notice the difference?

Because you get more power, more, power. Even He-Man declares to have power - "I have the Power!", direct quote.

On a serious note, I would only think about overclocking RAM or CPU, never would I overclock an SSD.

In the Mac world, what you want is the Apple Thunderbolt display. You plug it into the wall and it has a power and Thunderbolt lead to your Macbook. Thunderbolt is essentially a long-distance PCIe connection and connects the display, USB ports, and ethernet port in the monitor to your laptop via a single wire.

Nice! Is there no similar implementation to the PC then?


Docking stations aren't very popular these days. Look for them on business models. They can be very handy though - just snap it into the dock and voila! Had those at a place I used to work at. They used Dell Latitude and Precision notebooks with docking stations. There was an interface on the bottom of the notebook for the dock.
Actually have one of those for work! But it doesn't really suit the Desktop <-> Laptop scenerio (the docking stations only for laptops with the port at the base). Just wondered if there was anything out there....

To be honest, if the desktop can sit on the table beside me, then it wouldn't be as much of a hassle to unplug the monitor lead as I initially expected.

I think it's all the abuse they get put through. Recently I was playing around with a Windows tablet PC that had DENTS on the bottom of it from getting shoved into tool boxes. When I did PC repair, I also saw a lot of broken notebook screens. Those screens don't just crack on their own.
I'm sure that factors into it big time. However, I'd have thought the lack of space would also play a part (no room for the components to breathe). In work, overheard some guys saying they are replacing their 3 year old laptop because it is knackered. My desktop was still going strong by then!

The Crucial m4 SSDs are actually pretty good, as are Samsung 830 (so far nobody has found problems with those... yet). Intel 510 is similar to the Crucial m4. Other popular drives use the Sandforce controllers (OCZ Vertex 3/Agility 3/Solid 3, Corsair Force 3/Force GT, Kingston HyperX) but there were issues with those which may (or may not) have been squashed with a recent firmware update.
I actually went for the Crucial M4 in the end (see the first part of this message for extra details). Basically the Samsung, and Intel were both alot more expensive (by £30 for Samsung, and quite a heavy load more for the Intel).
 

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Alright, decided to be a friend of another desktop! I'd like a mac change sometime based on DCLive's comments, but maybe if/when I get a fatter wage!

So far, I went ahead and bought the following:

- Intel Core i7-2600K
- Crucial SSD M4 128GB CT128M4SSD2

Would I still go ahead with the posted suggestions (for motherboard, case, etc) or would that now be adjusted? Feel free to change if you think it is necessary...

Should have gotten an i5 2500(K) to be honest. The SSD is good though.

On a serious note, I would only think about overclocking RAM or CPU, never would I overclock an SSD.

Good thing too, since you can't overclock an SSD! :awe:

Nice! Is there no similar implementation to the PC then?

Not beyond the port replicators that have been mentioned, but those only work for very specific setups. If you're in the Apple ecosystem, you do reap the benefits of their vertical integration.

Now that you have settled on a desktop, check out Zap's reply #10 for a general outline of what you should get.
 
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